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England Goal Scoring Record
StewieGriffinSE7
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I'm a great believer that if penalties in 90 minutes go towards a players scoring record then ones scored in shootouts at major championships should definitely count (pressure and importance).
Do any of you staticians out there know if the Top 10 goal scoring record for England would look much different if this was the case?
Joint 1) Bobby Charlton 49
Joint 1) Wayne Rooney 49
2) Gary Lineker 48
3) Jimmy Greaves 45
4) Michael Owen 40
5) Tom Finney 30
6) Nat Lofthouse 30
7) Alan Shearer 30
8) Vivian Woodward 29
9) Frank Lampard 29
10) Steve Bloomer 28
Do any of you staticians out there know if the Top 10 goal scoring record for England would look much different if this was the case?
Joint 1) Bobby Charlton 49
Joint 1) Wayne Rooney 49
2) Gary Lineker 48
3) Jimmy Greaves 45
4) Michael Owen 40
5) Tom Finney 30
6) Nat Lofthouse 30
7) Alan Shearer 30
8) Vivian Woodward 29
9) Frank Lampard 29
10) Steve Bloomer 28
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Don't agree - to start with shoot outs have only been around about forty years, so anyone who has played since then has their stats distorted compared to those who came before. And if you happen to play for a team that wins or loses in 90 minutes, rather than one like England, on a world level again the stats are distorted. I'm out...3
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Agree with Algarve, I can't see any logic in including them. (That said I do always think of Super Clive as having scored 4 at Wembley).
If you're looking at penalties I find it more interesting to not include them at all. That would put Charlton top on 46 with Greavsie, Rooney and Lineker all level on 441 -
Own goals is on 49 too0
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How many of those were penalties though?stackitsteve said:Own goals is on 49 too
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But he's played for England over 800 times since 1872.stackitsteve said:Own goals is on 49 too
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StewieGriffinSE7 said:
1) Wayne Rooney 50
2) Bobby Charlton 49
3) Gary Lineker 48
4) Jimmy Greaves 45
5) Michael Owen 40
6) Tom Finney 30
7) Nat Lofthouse 30
8) Alan Shearer 30
9) Vivian Woodward 29
10) Frank Lampard 290 -
Saw this on Twitter, not sure how reliable it is.0 -
Don't give a shit what people say, being top goalscorer for your country is a magnificent achievement.
Well done Wayne Rooney.5 -
10% of his goals have come against San Marino.
Seriously though, his record is a fantastic achievement.
Could be generations before its beaten.0 - Sponsored links:
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Great achievement for Rooney
From a selfish point of view, I'm happy he broke it at the first attempt as the prospect of weeks of "he'll break it this time" would have been unbearable. There was some record last season that BBC spent several weeks saying Messi would break "tonight".0 -
Was checking some stats earlier during a Facebook discussion with a Rooney hater and discovered that a third, 16, of Bobby Charltons goals were in home internationals this of course at a time when England were by far the dominant force. Rooney has scored 36 of his goals in meaningful internationals although would I am sure be the first to admit not enough were in World Cup final matches0
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Those are really interesting - including the "gimme games" shows how even it is in just about all regards.Yanntheman said:
Saw this on Twitter, not sure how reliable it is.
I'm sure Rooney would swap all 50 goals for a World Cup winners medal though
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I was surprised at home many friendlies Bobby Charlton played in considering that people always talk about how many more friendly games there are these days. Although I'm sure being the world cup hosts and qualifying automatically meant more friendlies than normal.se9addick said:
Those are really interesting - including the "gimme games" shows how even it is in just about all regards.Yanntheman said:
Saw this on Twitter, not sure how reliable it is.
I'm sure Rooney would swap all 50 goals for a World Cup winners medal though
Yeah, you'd be mad not to.1 -
Who cares about this record - he hasn't won one thing apart from a huge pay packet.0
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Don't get paid for playing for England.1
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Let's hope that with the 'pressure of the record' gone he can kick on and show his international class without people on his back. Oh it's England team0
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What's quite interesting from the Bobby Charlton stats are how much many of the countries we thrashed have progressed.
8-1 and 10-0 wins against the USA
8-0 against Mexico
8-1 against Switzerland
Are all unthinkable results nowadays
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There will come a day when Own Goal is the leading scorer for every country.MountsfieldPark said:
But he's played for England over 800 times since 1872.stackitsteve said:Own goals is on 49 too
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