Any 'Recruitment' Guru's On Here?
So, despite being in steady employment I recently applied for a job. The next day I receive a call from the Recruitment agency expressing their interest in me. Had about a 20 minute chat with the recruiter (covered the points in my CV etc) that ended with her saying that she was keen, would speak to her 'colleague' (boss?) and then get back in touch about the next steps (interview etc).
The next day I decided to send a courteous but 'probing' email and had an almost immediate response saying that they were no longer interested!!! If that's the case, why ring me in the first place and make out that they really were keen on me?
That's twice in two years now that I have been 'done' like this by 'recruiters'! So what's the deal? Why ring me the day after I submit my CV declaring their interest in me and then the following day mug me off?
I did 28 years in the RAF so this is kind of new to me. Why do they make out that they are interested and then they don't even give me an interview 'face to face'!
So Charlton Life 'Recruiters' how does it actually work? Both morally and ethically? I guess commission must play a part in this somewhere?
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Basically mate they are arseholes for showing you that amount of disrespect. Unfortunately in the recruitment world this kind of thing is slowly becoming the norm, from what I see.
People can be complete let downs. Says more about them then it does about you.2 -
Up there with Estate Agents in my book Dave.6
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I've worked in Recruitment for the last 7-8 years now although within an Administrative sense rather than as a Recruiter.
Have always worked very closely with them though and hate the lot of them, wouldnt trust them an inch0 -
I would usually be wary of telling people I'm a recruitment consultant but most people think I'm a twat on here already any way.
Without knowing the conversation you had or the job involved its hard to understand their reasons. They handled it badly though, they should have at least told you they will keep your cv and actively look for other roles.
The problem is now that the turnaround on vacancies is so quick with agencies that they don't really give a shit about the candidates, they just want to fill the role before someone else does.
Luckily I work in a small sector and for a family agency, so it's all about relationships. I don't need to chase commission so I'm not an arsehole.6 -
What you looking to do @bazjonster?
Been in the industry for 11 years this year (not in a consultant/sales function before you lot lynch me) and there are a lot of young, inexperienced types who are still beasted on pure stats that ultimately don't benefit anyone other than overzealous micromanagers' old school thinking.
My advice would be to hunt out very niche, specialist agencies. Many of these have popped up over the years and the whole candidate experience is getting better in the main with them. Once you've found - stick with them.2 -
Appreciate that VG. Yes, they did say that they would keep hold of my CV. Just disappointed that they got my hopes up mate.0
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Was she called Katrien?bazjonster said:Apologies for using this for personal gain but here's the deal:
So, despite being in steady employment I recently applied for a job. The next day I receive a call from the Recruitment agency expressing their interest in me. Had about a 20 minute chat with the recruiter (covered the points in my CV etc) that ended with her saying that she was keen, would speak to her 'colleague' (boss?) and then get back in touch about the next steps (interview etc).
The next day I decided to send a courteous but 'probing' email and had an almost immediate response saying that they were no longer interested!!!
If so, then don't worry as 18 other candidates got the same response the next day.
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At least they were up front with you mate - most arsehole agents out there just wouldnt bother coming back to you ( in my experience) and ignore your calls.
Scumbags - all of them.0 -
Recruiters are, without exception, in my opinion, arseholes. Second hand car salesmen in suits.2
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It sounds to me you like you spoke to a trainee or 'resourcer' as they are known in the industry. Usually these individuals are targeted to spend 2-4 hours on the phone, find between 5-10 CVs and then their managers, the 'consultant', pick the people they think fits the job description best. It's proper boiler room type mentality and neither candidates or clients benefit from this approach.
As The President says, you're lucky to get any feedback at all. Usually you'd never hear a word again.1 -
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Had one of the most obscure phone calls ever over a job I applied for with a recruitment firm. Weird breed.0
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That's right, over 60,000 people in the industry and every single one or them are scum.The_President said:At least they were up front with you mate - most arsehole agents out there just wouldnt bother coming back to you ( in my experience) and ignore your calls.
Scumbags - all of them.
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Pl54 is a recruitment agent.
I rest my case....7 -
I work in telesales baz. Depending on the firm and the industry and type of role they recruit for the quality varies greatly. I think a lot of places like mine are old school smash the phone, do a billion hours a day in calls and billions of dials. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it to be honest, it's def not a reflection on you. As VG says, all dependent on the firm, there are plenty of good ones out there as well.
I also think the smash the phone, 1000 dials a day only has a place for new starters. Once you've been in a telesales environment for X amount of years, if they are still holding you too KPIs like that it's ridiculous0 -
Industry Sort of implies they're useful and make things.J BLOCK said:
That's right, over 60,000 people in the industry and every single one or them are scum.The_President said:At least they were up front with you mate - most arsehole agents out there just wouldnt bother coming back to you ( in my experience) and ignore your calls.
Scumbags - all of them.0 -
I can take it on the chin, but scumbags does seem a little harsh. It's a word used only for rapists, paedos and southeastern staff.The_President said:At least they were up front with you mate - most arsehole agents out there just wouldnt bother coming back to you ( in my experience) and ignore your calls.
Scumbags - all of them.1 -
@bazjonster The industry is awash with kids who are managed like kids and for many it is a numbers game. It very much depends on the sector / industry / profession you work in and the level you are at. If you are "one of many" then you'll be treated like that unfortunately and so need to do something different.
Using a recruitment consultant is not obligatory so I advise everyone who is distrusting of them not to use one - there are many avenues for people to explore if they want to get in front of the ultimate hiring manager.
Employer surveys show that something like 70% of medium sized businesses up plan to recruit in the next 6 months so there is plenty out there. KPMG / REC reports for H2 2014 showed massive drops in job seeker numbers so again plenty of scope for optimism for those seriously looking.
Not sure you have been 'done' in this instance really - if you are a seriously looking for a new role then it should come fairly easily if your skills, expectations and effort line up. If perhaps you aren't seriously looking then maybe someone picked up on this ?0 -
There are a few ' must's ' in my book. First put together a really good CV, and for yourself draw up a list of what you have experienced in your career, and then be ready to emphasise the benefits to a company of this experience. Next select a chosen recruiting agency, ask around for advice on this amongst friends etc. Then become pro-active, consider local companies who you think your career experience might match and approach them with your CV. Phone first to establish who is the person responsible for recruiting in that company, and address CV etc to them personally. Think about the interview process, and rehearse the things you would want to say, my favourite place for that was in front of the bathroom mirror. Consider anything that you can take to the interview to advance your chances of success. Finally, and very importantly, when you secure an interview research the company so that you can show that you have the initiative to find out about them, and make sure when you leave they are very aware that you want to work with them. If you are not very good at any of those things above, seek help and practise. The harder you work on it, the greater your chance of success, best of luck.0
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Spot on there Dave, up there with estate agents is also very true.....glad I don't need to deal with these type of people anymore.Dave2l said:Basically mate they are arseholes for showing you that amount of disrespect. Unfortunately in the recruitment world this kind of thing is slowly becoming the norm, from what I see.
People can be complete let downs. Says more about them then it does about you.1 -
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Had a couple of calls recently, usually explain time is tight and ask them to call back on a Saturday morning. Tends to sort out the ones who give a shit from the ones who are hitting the phones 8-5.0
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ValleyGary said:
I would usually be wary of telling people I'm a recruitment consultant but most people think I'm a twat on here already any way.
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@ValleyGary @PL54 Which industries / sectors do you recruit for?0
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Professional Chefs mate.To_Be_Franck said:@ValleyGary @PL54 Which industries / sectors do you recruit for?
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Shame! ThanksValleyGary said:
Professional Chefs mate.To_Be_Franck said:@ValleyGary @PL54 Which industries / sectors do you recruit for?
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Name of the game unfortunately, Bazjonster. I would suggest you adopt a strategy if you have to deal with recruitment agencies, and pen a few well worded questions like, is the vacancy live, what are the dates involved, what are the timescales for interviews etc.
Once you get to asking these questions a few times you will begin to discover if the vacancy exists, or whether the agencies are just number crunching. Some of the recruiters (as opposed to the Consultant) get brownie points for the number of candidates they engage with each week.
It took me some time to get my question list right for the |IT contract market, but I can usually tell within the first minute so of the phone call if it's a goer or not.
Good luck and don't take it to heart.
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ProcurementTo_Be_Franck said:@ValleyGary @PL54 Which industries / sectors do you recruit for?
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Didn't know that was legal.PL54 said:
ProcurementTo_Be_Franck said:@ValleyGary @PL54 Which industries / sectors do you recruit for?
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That's exactly what it is so don't take it personally, Bazjonster.WSS said:What you looking to do @bazjonster?
Been in the industry for 11 years this year (not in a consultant/sales function before you lot lynch me) and there are a lot of young, inexperienced types who are still beasted on pure stats that ultimately don't benefit anyone other than overzealous micromanagers' old school thinking.
My advice would be to hunt out very niche, specialist agencies. Many of these have popped up over the years and the whole candidate experience is getting better in the main with them. Once you've found - stick with them.
This method some companies employ is counter productive, very lazy and seeks only to flatter a weekly stat sheet. Nobody in the chain benefits from it, the client the candidate nor the recruiter and their boss/company.
There are good people in this industry. If you want advice, help or a moan, PM me. It has been my industry for almost 20 years.
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That is a good point.Addicted said:Had a couple of calls recently, usually explain time is tight and ask them to call back on a Saturday morning. Tends to sort out the ones who give a shit from the ones who are hitting the phones 8-5.
I often talk to people who send CVs to me on a Sunday. Has all manner of benefits from both parties point of view.
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