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  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,689
    aliwibble said:

    Well hopefully this means that UKIP will now get the same amount of coverage as the Green Party, seeing as they finally have the same number of MPs.

    I can't see it decreasing to that level, to be honest. Until today UKIP had fewer MPs than the Greens or the George Galloway Fan Club, but still get acres of coverage.
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,491
    Sorry still addicted. Not sure what happened with the quotes.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,652
    edited October 2014
    Mass immigration isn't wildly popular with the Labour base, who would have guessed? When the Labour leader can't even bring himself to defend his parties position at his own conference you know the wheels have really come off. Labour are going to be shafted in their heartlands next year.
  • Loco
    Loco Posts: 1,037
    Like UKiP or not, this is good for democracy and bad for party politics. Any MP with a slim or even moderate majority will be more worried about his/her constituents views than toeing the party line and that can only be a good thing. Party politics has become far too cosy, distorted our democratic principles and disenfranchised the voting public. You only need to look at the voting figures to realise how fed up voters are of having their view ridiculed and ignored by parties that preach without listening.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    aliwibble said:

    Well hopefully this means that UKIP will now get the same amount of coverage as the Green Party, seeing as they finally have the same number of MPs.

    The Green party own the blame for that.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    If not in the forthcoming election, but certainly in elections to follow the internet and social media will be a distinct force in the debate.
    There are two major questions, will people schlepp to the polling stations to vote? (maybe it can all be done on smartphones in the future!), and will people vote according to the detailed policies in manifestos?
    I seems we are in the x-factor world of politics where everybody is relying on spin and not substance...because people are not interested in engaging with the substance because the slogans are more entertaining and easy to remember. I used to wonder how UKIP could succeed with no realistic or discernible plan for the complexities of running the country, but the don't need any plan do they? Nor do any of the parties any more because the plan is not going to get the vote out, or the votes cast.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Good, anyone who slags them off (or an other party for that mater) is one of the reasons people are voting UKIP- the populace have had enough of what has been dished up in the past few decades by the 2 main parties - and a lot of the people who are voting UKIP are simply voting against Labour/Conservative or mainstream poilitical parties as we know it.
    Personally, i've just had enough of wankers who want to go along slagging other parties and or policies off - UKIP provides an alternative which obviously appeals to the masses - heed it - i'm gonna vote for them simply coz the other tossers dont deserve my vote- and dont slag me off because of that ! - else you run the risk of being a tosser yourself.
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    A Tory/UKIP coalition...........could you imagine??



    If that happens I'm off to Somalia and claiming asylum :'(
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,353
    AddickUpNorth said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    A Tory/UKIP coalition...........could you imagine??



    If that happens I'm off to Somalia and claiming asylum :'(
    There is a reason why they all come in this direction you know... ;0)
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,261
    seth plum said:

    If not in the forthcoming election, but certainly in elections to follow the internet and social media will be a distinct force in the debate.
    There are two major questions, will people schlepp to the polling stations to vote? (maybe it can all be done on smartphones in the future!), and will people vote according to the detailed policies in manifestos?
    I seems we are in the x-factor world of politics where everybody is relying on spin and not substance...because people are not interested in engaging with the substance because the slogans are more entertaining and easy to remember. I used to wonder how UKIP could succeed with no realistic or discernible plan for the complexities of running the country, but the don't need any plan do they? Nor do any of the parties any more because the plan is not going to get the vote out, or the votes cast.



    Online voting may be the way to go. The voting system just not keeping up with the social fabric- http://webrootsdemocracy.org/about/
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  • stilladdicted
    stilladdicted Posts: 4,307
    I think I have made my position clear, I enjoy living in a diverse multicultural society and everything UKIP stands for is anathema to me. But, it is patently obvious that we have a hugely divided and disenfranchised society and the blame for that lies with politicians and us for putting up with their antics. UKIP will win a few seats but they will still not have any real power to change things. If UKIP represents the views of a section of society, then in a sense I am pleased that people feel that someone is listening to them. But what happens if there is no observable change, what then?
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,550
    I am not party political apart from the Valley Party of course, but has anybody spoken to any local activist of UKip? I have attended a number of shows around the country and it is clear to me that they are not ready for any responsibility, whatever their policies might be.
    Having said that, it makes politics far more interesting.
  • Robbo on the wing
    Robbo on the wing Posts: 4,135
    edited October 2014
    AddickUpNorth said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    A Tory/UKIP coalition...........could you imagine??



    If that happens I'm off to Somalia and claiming asylum :'(
    Good, well fuck off then
    I can't wait for people to understand the minimum wage is being held down by immigration.
    Your average joe is struggling to keep his head above water, whilst those of you that are totally uneffected by this influx scorn those that are.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Robbo on the wing said:

    AddickUpNorth said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    A Tory/UKIP coalition...........could you imagine??



    If that happens I'm off to Somalia and claiming asylum :'(
    Good, well fuck off then
    I can't wait for people to understand the minimum wage is being held down by immigration.
    Your average joe is struggling to keep his head above water, whilst those of you that are totally uneffected by this influx scorn those that are.
    Knowing AUN that was tongue in cheek, so an unnecessary and uncalled for overreaction.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,224
    UKIP remind me of Montgomery Brewster
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,291
    The minimum wage isn't being held down by immigration. The level of the minimum wage is set by Government, and they've chosen not to raise it to a liveable level. The reason why the average joe is having trouble keeping their head above water is housing costs, transport costs and energy costs. If we had rent control, restrictions on buy to let mortgages, and a decent programme of building social housing (rather than affordable housing that patently isn't), then wages wouldn't need to be so high.
  • smiffyboy
    smiffyboy Posts: 4,314
    What people don't understand is the wages in the construction industry are being driven down by immigration. The average home owner in this country needs to earn a decent wage a day to cover the cost of their mortgage, council tax, energy bills etc whilst supporting their family. When you get a group of 10 Eastern Europeans living in a house together sharing the bills amongst them they may only need £140 a week to cover the cost, this results in them agreeing to work for £80 a day as they don't need to earn as much as me and you. This then means employers know they can get labour for a lower price and so when we walk on a job that is all they are willing to pay hence keeping wages down and to a minimum, I've been quite fortunate I've landed an excellent job but go back two years and I was earning the same as when I finished my apprentaship 14 years ago, when really with growth and inflation I should of been getting a lot more but you can't and that's because immigration drives the cost down, fellow tradesmen are struggling and agencies are as bad.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,154
    Robbo on the wing said:

    AddickUpNorth said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    A Tory/UKIP coalition...........could you imagine??



    If that happens I'm off to Somalia and claiming asylum :'(
    Good, well fuck off then
    I can't wait for people to understand the minimum wage is being held down by immigration.
    Your average joe is struggling to keep his head above water, whilst those of you that are totally uneffected by this influx scorn those that are.
    The minimum wage is being held down by rich, mostly white men. Who do you think lets the immigrants in? Who do you think employs them? What is the make up of UKIP, and the hierarchy of the other political parties?
  • stilladdicted
    stilladdicted Posts: 4,307
    And there was me thinking I had gotten crap pay cos i hadn't got a willy :-)
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  • Fortune 82nd Minute
    Fortune 82nd Minute Posts: 8,338
    smiffyboy said:

    What people don't understand is the wages in the construction industry are being driven down by immigration. The average home owner in this country needs to earn a decent wage a day to cover the cost of their mortgage, council tax, energy bills etc whilst supporting their family. When you get a group of 10 Eastern Europeans living in a house together sharing the bills amongst them they may only need £140 a week to cover the cost, this results in them agreeing to work for £80 a day as they don't need to earn as much as me and you. This then means employers know they can get labour for a lower price and so when we walk on a job that is all they are willing to pay hence keeping wages down and to a minimum, I've been quite fortunate I've landed an excellent job but go back two years and I was earning the same as when I finished my apprentaship 14 years ago, when really with growth and inflation I should of been getting a lot more but you can't and that's because immigration drives the cost down, fellow tradesmen are struggling and agencies are as bad.

    Absolutely spot on.

    My son is a self-employed carpenter and would back up absolutely every word you say.

    Problem is all these public school idiots like Cameron, Clegg and Milliband live in a world far removed from the realities of the working man. And they are all now surprised to find that people are saying "we've had enough of this".
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,784
    MrOneLung said:

    Milliband replaced by who though?

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  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    UKIP haven't wasted any time...
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,261
    Fortune 82nd Minute said:

    smiffyboy said:

    What people don't understand is the wages in the construction industry are being driven down by immigration. The average home owner in this country needs to earn a decent wage a day to cover the cost of their mortgage, council tax, energy bills etc whilst supporting their family. When you get a group of 10 Eastern Europeans living in a house together sharing the bills amongst them they may only need £140 a week to cover the cost, this results in them agreeing to work for £80 a day as they don't need to earn as much as me and you. This then means employers know they can get labour for a lower price and so when we walk on a job that is all they are willing to pay hence keeping wages down and to a minimum, I've been quite fortunate I've landed an excellent job but go back two years and I was earning the same as when I finished my apprentaship 14 years ago, when really with growth and inflation I should of been getting a lot more but you can't and that's because immigration drives the cost down, fellow tradesmen are struggling and agencies are as bad.

    Absolutely spot on.

    My son is a self-employed carpenter and would back up absolutely every word you say.

    Problem is all these public school idiots like Cameron, Clegg and Milliband live in a world far removed from the realities of the working man. And they are all now surprised to find that people are saying "we've had enough of this".

    Who do you two reckon pays the wages?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    Maybe a few seats will convince the other parties and their voters that UKIP is not just a protest/racist vote, and that some people are genuinely disgruntled about immigration levels and membership of the EU.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,291
    But apart from stopping immigration and leaving the EU, what are UKIP's policies?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    aliwibble said:

    But apart from stopping immigration and leaving the EU, what are UKIP's policies?

    I don't really know, and tbh I don't really care. But if the other parties start to face these two issues head on because of UKIP's popularity then that's a good thing in my opinion.

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Exactly - restrict freedom of movement so as to safeguard your right to be exploited exclusively by the ruling elite? Divide and conquer, folks. Society exists so that slave labour doesn't - shame about the current government. Eastern Europeans working for peanuts should not be turned away; they should be paid properly, as should all of us. And yet, exploitation may continue, so long as the exploited have grounds to blame one another. What if we all 'made something' of ourselves - a nation of entrepreneurs! What a vision. And yet - who will make the houses?
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,680
    Been sitting on the fence a bit but edging to voting UKIP over Tory now. Really like Douglas Carswell and his views on politics in general. Will be purchasing his book tomorrow.
  • stilladdicted
    stilladdicted Posts: 4,307
    Right now, research on some major scientific projects is grinding to a halt because of the immigration quotas. So why don't you quit moaning, invest in your education and get a better paid job?

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