I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Daren Pitcher. Touted around many clubs, all wanted his services, then he got his big move. Hope it works out well for Diego, He's only a kid with dreams and ambitions. I think he might be making a mistake but its his to make.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
ZERO chance of him coming back on loan. i'd say a glamor club for the "transformers" boy...and getting 1st team appearances within this season.
Wouldn't want him anywhere near our team. Break a leg son.
Classless twat, just goes to show you can take the boy from Uruguay, but they're all scummers inside.............
So if you had a chance to double or triple your pay, potentially changing your life, would stay with you current employee out of loyalty?!?
Rubbish.
As for stating that all Uraguayans are classless, let's not jump on the Suarez bandwagon on this thread.
And I know what the phrase break a leg means. I just hope you don't mean any more than that.
None of us are in that situation, and this argument is ridiculous, I mean absolutely no offence to you but this simply does not apply to anyone other than a tiny few. Diego could have bucked the trend like Jonjo did and. For me he is in the same twat category as Defoe and Parker now.
And this other stupid argument about the amount of youngsters that are cast asunder, they know they have only a tiny chance of making it and the academies are run to educate them in skills other than football because of this. Trust me nowadays clubs invest more in the youngsters than the other way round
No very few would have the chance for such a big pay jump. Buy I remember when I left the first agency I worked at about 8 years ago. They offered me an extra 17.5k which is probably less than the uplift Diego would see in one week. But it meant I could afford the flat I wanted. It is my life and I wanted to do the best I could. Footballers could break a leg and their career could be over tomorrow. Make hay while you can I say.
I would imagine they are fairly well insured if they get a career ending injury.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.
So you had people coming to work to watch you type away and pouring emotive praise on you? And awarding you an unprecedented 'employee of the year award' after six weeks?
No you didn't because only professional sports people have that and a select few of them at that.
If you flit from contract to contract from job to job it bothers nor affects me in the slightest. This gimps actions have affected me and hugely annoyed me at how classless he has been in soing so
ZERO chance of him coming back on loan. i'd say a glamor club for the "transformers" boy...and getting 1st team appearances within this season.
Wouldn't want him anywhere near our team. Break a leg son.
Classless twat, just goes to show you can take the boy from Uruguay, but they're all scummers inside.............
So if you had a chance to double or triple your pay, potentially changing your life, would stay with you current employee out of loyalty?!?
Rubbish.
As for stating that all Uraguayans are classless, let's not jump on the Suarez bandwagon on this thread.
And I know what the phrase break a leg means. I just hope you don't mean any more than that.
None of us are in that situation, and this argument is ridiculous, I mean absolutely no offence to you but this simply does not apply to anyone other than a tiny few. Diego could have bucked the trend like Jonjo did and. For me he is in the same twat category as Defoe and Parker now.
And this other stupid argument about the amount of youngsters that are cast asunder, they know they have only a tiny chance of making it and the academies are run to educate them in skills other than football because of this. Trust me nowadays clubs invest more in the youngsters than the other way round
No very few would have the chance for such a big pay jump. Buy I remember when I left the first agency I worked at about 8 years ago. They offered me an extra 17.5k which is probably less than the uplift Diego would see in one week. But it meant I could afford the flat I wanted. It is my life and I wanted to do the best I could. Footballers could break a leg and their career could be over tomorrow. Make hay while you can I say.
I would imagine they are fairly well insured if they get a career ending injury.
particularly if they're on a long contract... say one roland's 4-5 year contracts...
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
Funny isn't it that now he leaves everyone is jumping on him as a "classless Uruguayan", however we all know full well that he has spent years representing England and we all know he deems himself English.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
Well he could be our number one next season, so a good career move. Will Poyet be the first midfielder on the team sheet im two year's time at Chelsea? I doubt it.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
Is our new manager classless and lacking loyalty for telling his former club to shove it as he was off regardless of him being under contract? Or is it different because, as Henry puts it, we are the shark in that situation too?
You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
Henry, don't be ridiculous. You are comparing apples with ribeye steak
Of course Bury were not happy with losing him, but Pope will now be in with a really good chance of playing 40 league games in the next 12 months and in a division that is one below the top table in England if not Europe if you believe the hype.
Poyet won't. Unless a healthy spot of nepotism comes into play
I know you are trying to be rational but you cannot honestly believe what you have just said?
You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
or maybe Bury Town were happy with the package. What non league side has ever told a young lad they can't join a football league side.
You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.
If someone offers me a couple of Extra Zero's to do the same job I already do I wouldn't turn it down, Yes I'm gutted He's left but you can't blame a kid for having a shot at the big time, Put in the same situation I'm sure many of us would do the same ...
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
I think Poyet would have been more difficult to tie down than the others, not least because he in a more secure position than others not to sign, given his father's status in the game. He was always going to get another club. Don't think there was any question over his quality.
I doubt if he's left solely or even mainly for money. We have to face the fact that objectively we are currently an unstable club. Whatever view you take of what is going on and however optimistic you are about Peeters, the latest signings or RD in general, the immediate future is difficult to predict. The recent past has been a mess. We'll stick with it because we're Charlton fans and whatever happens we'll be here the other side of it, but Poyet can opt out and if he isn't confident about what's going to happen next it's not surprising that he would.
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
or maybe Bury Town were happy with the package. What non league side has ever told a young lad they can't join a football league side.
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
In their defence, they probably didn't realise how quick he'd break on to the scene. It's an irony that he did so mainly down to their inadequencies. The likes of Poyet were always going to be somebody else's problem in their eyes. Gower and the like were quick fixes
I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
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Hope it works out well for Diego, He's only a kid with dreams and ambitions.
I think he might be making a mistake but its his to make.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
I think he was overrated,a modern day version of Ray Wiljins, I think I only saw him have about 6 half decent games at Championship level.
He was crap in the FA cup , and anyone who had locks like that is a bit too up on themselves for my liking.
Like my Murphy's ... I'm not bitter.
Now Jordan Cousins.... He's a proper footballer.
No you didn't because only professional sports people have that and a select few of them at that.
If you flit from contract to contract from job to job it bothers nor affects me in the slightest. This gimps actions have affected me and hugely annoyed me at how classless he has been in soing so
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140625-diego-poyet-to-leave-charlton-1677953.aspx
feel free to compare and contrast the two statements.
Of course Bury were not happy with losing him, but Pope will now be in with a really good chance of playing 40 league games in the next 12 months and in a division that is one below the top table in England if not Europe if you believe the hype.
Poyet won't. Unless a healthy spot of nepotism comes into play
I know you are trying to be rational but you cannot honestly believe what you have just said?
I'm going to go up to a favela and find somebody to deal with him, properly.
I doubt if he's left solely or even mainly for money. We have to face the fact that objectively we are currently an unstable club. Whatever view you take of what is going on and however optimistic you are about Peeters, the latest signings or RD in general, the immediate future is difficult to predict. The recent past has been a mess. We'll stick with it because we're Charlton fans and whatever happens we'll be here the other side of it, but Poyet can opt out and if he isn't confident about what's going to happen next it's not surprising that he would.
In their defence, they probably didn't realise how quick he'd break on to the scene. It's an irony that he did so mainly down to their inadequencies.
The likes of Poyet were always going to be somebody else's problem in their eyes. Gower and the like were quick fixes
Shame some of us fans on here can't match it.
I wonder if fans on Bury Life were slagging him off or maybe they have a little bit of perspective.
The system is wrong and weighted far too much in favour of the richer clubs but it is what it is.