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Play-off games on Charlton TV?

PragueAddickPragueAddick
in General Charlton
Do we know the status on this? I would hope they would be, as they are league games, but I wouldn't be that surprised to learn that the latest idiotic EFL/Sky deal has some kind of nasty carve -out.

In 2019 I am pretty sure the semis were on iFollow, with Tel on commentary,   don't know about the final, as I was there. 
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  • fenaddickfenaddick
    PragueAddick said:
    Do we know the status on this? I would hope they would be, as they are league games, but I wouldn't be that surprised to learn that the latest idiotic EFL/Sky deal has some kind of nasty carve -out.

    In 2019 I am pretty sure the semis were on iFollow, with Tel on commentary,   don't know about the final, as I was there. 
    95% sure it will be the same arrangement as league games. Would be amazed if EFL had play off specific deals for international broadcasts 
  • ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    edited April 19
    Think it’ll all just be on Sky 

    edit. Sorry didn’t read this properly, no idea if they are on Charlton TV, thought Sky had the monopoly on the play offs 
  • CallumcafcCallumcafc
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
  • AlwaysneilAlwaysneil
    Sky is a pain to watch via vpn, at least NOW is anyway, it picks up if you try and connect via local phone network on your phone  (won't work), via your phone streaming to a locally connected TV (won't work). The best ive managed to wqtch F1 while away is using my big ipad or a laptop connected via wifi and nordvpn to the UK (mostly works)
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    My son is doing his post Uni tour of Asia - Feb to July. He has been watching via Charlton TV mostly but sometimes the Sky app works. He can only conclude that some internet services work better than others but normally he has to use Charlton TV. He uses Express VPN for Sky.
  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
  • SouthbankSouthbank
    PragueAddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
    Yes, you can watch all league games on Charlton tv if you are 'abroad', ie with a VPN. No need to bother with Sky's rubbish coverage. And the club gets a tenner. 
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  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    edited April 20
    Southbank said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
    Yes, you can watch all league games on Charlton tv if you are 'abroad', ie with a VPN. No need to bother with Sky's rubbish coverage. And the club gets a tenner. 
    All generally true but @Callumcafc point is that, possibly, we (genuine internationals) might fall foul of the EFL's separate international rights deal. He assumes that we have not noticed this possible snag  because no international rights holder has bothered to show bog standard League games but might be tempted to show the play offs. This has happened before, and I remember being massively pissed off because the EFL issued in advance a list of rights holders taking up an option, and listed the Czech rights holder, but  they did not in fact show it.

    If this were the case, then as a subscriber I should be able to use my VPN to switch from Czechia to somewhere not on the list, but I have a feeling I tried it once before and it didn't work because somehow I got geo-blocked. I could test it for the up-coming league games, I suppose. Normally I don't need the VPN, but if I use it, set to some country that hasn't bought the EFL rights, it ought to work. 

    Anyone who has more info, please post. I might still make it over for the games but currently I am under a no-fly banning order (not on a terrorist watch-list, but my big toe is banned,  after a small op.)
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    The Wrexham game might be a good tester @PragueAddick as there’s a chance it might be broadcast in Czechia given it’s been moved for TV coverage here (obviously you’re more likely to know!). It will certainly be shown in the US so one of our stateside lifers might be able to report back, there’s a chance the US/EU deals will be different regarding exclusivity though. Otherwise I’d suggest emailing someone at the club, they’ll have the best chance of knowing 
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    edited April 20
    One thing I discovered recently is that the sky sports website which shows the sports channels (not red button games) does not work with my VPN (Express) on Chrome and Opera but works on Firefox. The play off games will be on the channels so this might work if you have access to sky.
  • SolidgoneSolidgone
    PragueAddick said:
    Southbank said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
    Yes, you can watch all league games on Charlton tv if you are 'abroad', ie with a VPN. No need to bother with Sky's rubbish coverage. And the club gets a tenner. 
    All generally true but @Callumcafc point is that, possibly, we (genuine internationals) might fall foul of the EFL's separate international rights deal. He assumes that we have not noticed this possible snag  because no international rights holder has bothered to show bog standard League games but might be tempted to show the play offs. This has happened before, and I remember being massively pissed off because the EFL issued in advance a list of rights holders taking up an option, and listed the Czech rights holder, but  they did not in fact show it.

    If this were the case, then as a subscriber I should be able to use my VPN to switch from Czechia to somewhere not on the list, but I have a feeling I tried it once before and it didn't work because somehow I got geo-blocked. I could test it for the up-coming league games, I suppose. Normally I don't need the VPN, but if I use it, set to some country that hasn't bought the EFL rights, it ought to work. 

    Anyone who has more info, please post. I might still make it over for the games but currently I am under a no-fly banning order (not on a terrorist watch-list, but my big toe is banned,  after a small op.)
    I always use Charlton TV for viewing when abroad and whilst in the UK as I prefer Tel, Greg and Browny’s commentary than a sky nobody. I was in South America and was blocked from accessing a match but then used VPN and said that I was in Germany and it worked?? 
  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    Solidgone said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Southbank said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
    Yes, you can watch all league games on Charlton tv if you are 'abroad', ie with a VPN. No need to bother with Sky's rubbish coverage. And the club gets a tenner. 
    All generally true but @Callumcafc point is that, possibly, we (genuine internationals) might fall foul of the EFL's separate international rights deal. He assumes that we have not noticed this possible snag  because no international rights holder has bothered to show bog standard League games but might be tempted to show the play offs. This has happened before, and I remember being massively pissed off because the EFL issued in advance a list of rights holders taking up an option, and listed the Czech rights holder, but  they did not in fact show it.

    If this were the case, then as a subscriber I should be able to use my VPN to switch from Czechia to somewhere not on the list, but I have a feeling I tried it once before and it didn't work because somehow I got geo-blocked. I could test it for the up-coming league games, I suppose. Normally I don't need the VPN, but if I use it, set to some country that hasn't bought the EFL rights, it ought to work. 

    Anyone who has more info, please post. I might still make it over for the games but currently I am under a no-fly banning order (not on a terrorist watch-list, but my big toe is banned,  after a small op.)
    I always use Charlton TV for viewing when abroad and whilst in the UK as I prefer Tel, Greg and Browny’s commentary than a sky nobody. I was in South America and was blocked from accessing a match but then used VPN and said that I was in Germany and it worked?? 
    Hmm. Do you recall the game?
  • SolidgoneSolidgone
    PragueAddick said:
    Solidgone said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Southbank said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    It will depend on whether anyone in the country you’re in picks it up for live coverage. Being playoff games, I suspect it’s more likely than not.
    That's not good. (liked your post only for the info). However we (internationals) have been able to watch league games this season that were also covered by Sky, have we not? e.g the ones with odd KO times. The only ones I think I've missed have been the Cup games.
    Yes, you can watch all league games on Charlton tv if you are 'abroad', ie with a VPN. No need to bother with Sky's rubbish coverage. And the club gets a tenner. 
    All generally true but @Callumcafc point is that, possibly, we (genuine internationals) might fall foul of the EFL's separate international rights deal. He assumes that we have not noticed this possible snag  because no international rights holder has bothered to show bog standard League games but might be tempted to show the play offs. This has happened before, and I remember being massively pissed off because the EFL issued in advance a list of rights holders taking up an option, and listed the Czech rights holder, but  they did not in fact show it.

    If this were the case, then as a subscriber I should be able to use my VPN to switch from Czechia to somewhere not on the list, but I have a feeling I tried it once before and it didn't work because somehow I got geo-blocked. I could test it for the up-coming league games, I suppose. Normally I don't need the VPN, but if I use it, set to some country that hasn't bought the EFL rights, it ought to work. 

    Anyone who has more info, please post. I might still make it over for the games but currently I am under a no-fly banning order (not on a terrorist watch-list, but my big toe is banned,  after a small op.)
    I always use Charlton TV for viewing when abroad and whilst in the UK as I prefer Tel, Greg and Browny’s commentary than a sky nobody. I was in South America and was blocked from accessing a match but then used VPN and said that I was in Germany and it worked?? 
    Hmm. Do you recall the game?
    No idea what match…and can’t remember where I was in South America 🥸
  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    fenaddick said:
    The Wrexham game might be a good tester @PragueAddick as there’s a chance it might be broadcast in Czechia given it’s been moved for TV coverage here (obviously you’re more likely to know!). It will certainly be shown in the US so one of our stateside lifers might be able to report back, there’s a chance the US/EU deals will be different regarding exclusivity though. Otherwise I’d suggest emailing someone at the club, they’ll have the best chance of knowing 
    Yes, I think that match is a good test run. If we know US channels are showing it, and I set my VPN to US, then if it is geo-blocked then I know thats how Sky (or actually the EFL broadcast centre, there was an article about it in the Athletic) are treating it. So then I will try it from an obscure country. If that works then it should mean obscure country might be OK if I have trouble on the day. But I need a Plan B. Honestly it should not be like this. The idiots who negotiated this contract should be ashamed of themselves. 
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    I haven't had to try it yet but Duck Duck Go is supposed to be good in terms of VPNs being blocked as it prioritizes user privacy and does not track search history or personal data, which can help prevent censorship or blocking based on location or search terms 
  • CafcWestCafcWest
    I'm going to be in Fuerteventura for the Wrexham game.  Hoping that using NordVPN set to UK - I can watch on Now TV...if not will be a CATV stream as assume it'll be available to overseas fans.
  • Powell2ThePeoplePowell2ThePeople
    I’ve used Luxembourg for CharltonTV all season without any issues. 
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  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    edited April 20
    Probably, for this game. Not necessarily for the playoffs though.
  • TelMc32TelMc32
    CafcWest said:
    I'm going to be in Fuerteventura for the Wrexham game.  Hoping that using NordVPN set to UK - I can watch on Now TV...if not will be a CATV stream as assume it'll be available to overseas fans.
    Find yourself a pub that shows sports and they’ll put it on for you.  I was in Caleta de Fuste for the Donny away game in 2019. We knew the manager anyway and he put it on one screen for us in a side room, while rest of the bar and outside had two other games. 
  • DanepakDanepak

    Anyone who has more info, please post. I might still make it over for the games but currently I am under a no-fly banning order (not on a terrorist watch-list, but my big toe is banned,  after a small op.)
    If you’re desperate enough to go:


  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    So this becomes a live issue and basically the answer is a resounding "no". This is a link to the comprehensive Perplexity answer to the question, with links to the source webpages. And this is the EFL's list of broadcast partners. Finally these are the useless, soul-less arseholes who negotiated these shoddy deals.

    The whole thing is ridiculous and arguably constitutes mis-selling. What's the point of a deal to offer you  a  "season-Pass" of league football, only to deny you the most important, tension-filled games if your team is successful? And really, why can't the clubs be allowed to at least provide the streamed service to its overseas fans at least? I literally know of only one other active Charlton fan in Prague right now. Not exactly a lot of revenue for Nova Sport to lose if we are allowed to watch Charlton TV here instead is it? And if Nova Sport get more than 50 people watching our games in the whole country, I'd be gob-smacked. 

    Anyway, all is not lost. Luxembourg is not on the EFL's partner list...
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    Whilst I get your frustration a season ticket to the ground won’t include the play off games either. So that won’t wash as an argument. 

    The clubs voted for the Sky cheque. That’s the bottom line. 
  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    valleynick66 said:
    Whilst I get your frustration a season ticket to the ground won’t include the play off games either. So that won’t wash as an argument. 

    The clubs voted for the Sky cheque. That’s the bottom line. 
    I know they did. But few, at this level, invested as much as Charlton in a quality streaming service. It was easily Sandgaard's most positive initiative. And we don't know whether Charlton voted for it. Let's not forget that the Sky revenue (£450k pa) was uncannily similar to the amount the club were earning from Charlton TV last season. Now apparently, their stream revenue this season has held up fairly well so they may be in total about £200k up. But this unfortunately will be eaten up by  Gassan Ahadme's wages (to put some context on this Sky cheque).

    It is stupid. It is bad business, conducted by second-rate people who degrade the word "marketing". We are all either going to head off to Luxembourg  or watch a dodgy stream. So who benefits?

    And I'm going to ask Gavin Carter about this on May 8. 
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    PragueAddick said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Whilst I get your frustration a season ticket to the ground won’t include the play off games either. So that won’t wash as an argument. 

    The clubs voted for the Sky cheque. That’s the bottom line. 
    I know they did. But few, at this level, invested as much as Charlton in a quality streaming service. It was easily Sandgaard's most positive initiative. And we don't know whether Charlton voted for it. Let's not forget that the Sky revenue (£450k pa) was uncannily similar to the amount the club were earning from Charlton TV last season. Now apparently, their stream revenue this season has held up fairly well so they may be in total about £200k up. But this unfortunately will be eaten up by  Gassan Ahadme's wages (to put some context on this Sky cheque).

    It is stupid. It is bad business, conducted by second-rate people who degrade the word "marketing". We are all either going to head off to Luxembourg  or watch a dodgy stream. So who benefits?

    And I'm going to ask Gavin Carter about this on May 8. 
    To play devils advocate…the Sky money is guaranteed for a number of seasons the Charlton TV value is not. 

    I don’t like it either. 
  • PragueAddickPragueAddick
    valleynick66 said:
    PragueAddick said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Whilst I get your frustration a season ticket to the ground won’t include the play off games either. So that won’t wash as an argument. 

    The clubs voted for the Sky cheque. That’s the bottom line. 
    I know they did. But few, at this level, invested as much as Charlton in a quality streaming service. It was easily Sandgaard's most positive initiative. And we don't know whether Charlton voted for it. Let's not forget that the Sky revenue (£450k pa) was uncannily similar to the amount the club were earning from Charlton TV last season. Now apparently, their stream revenue this season has held up fairly well so they may be in total about £200k up. But this unfortunately will be eaten up by  Gassan Ahadme's wages (to put some context on this Sky cheque).

    It is stupid. It is bad business, conducted by second-rate people who degrade the word "marketing". We are all either going to head off to Luxembourg  or watch a dodgy stream. So who benefits?

    And I'm going to ask Gavin Carter about this on May 8. 
    To play devils advocate…the Sky money is guaranteed for a number of seasons the Charlton TV value is not. 

    I don’t like it either. 
    Well, the fact that the Charlton TV revenues this year season have not dropped off anywhere nears as much as feared suggests the market for it is strong. It would be stronger still with the full studio coverage. But as you inferred earlier once the other idiots among the EFL clubs took the Sky shilling we were stuck.

    Your point earlier about season tickets not covering the play-offs is not the zinger you think it is. ST holders still have a preferential chance to grab their seats for the play-off game at the Valley. If CTV viewers had been told that it's not covered but we will have the chance to pay £10 match pass, there would be no issue. We don't have that. A significant number of us have no legal and satisfactory way to watch the play-offs. 
  • Off_itOff_it
    I dear. I feel another campaign coming on.
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    If I'm at home, I still pay £10 to watch Charlton TV via a VPN, even if it's a reduced quality production, as ultimately it's the game that counts. 

    And last season was a tough watch...
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