Afghanistan win by 8 wickets with 6 balls to spare. An absolute walk in the park for Afghanistan.
We now return to the bottom of the table. One could argue that Pakistan being beaten is a good result for us but the bottom line is that we probably have to win all of our remaining games now anyway.
Given the pressure on the current England white ball coach and the fantastic work that the Afghanistan coach is doing, could we see a situation of "Mott to Trott"?
Given the pressure on the current England white ball coach and the fantastic work that the Afghanistan coach is doing, could we see a situation of "Mott to Trott"?
Right it's really not ideal but we have no choice either than to do something that isn't ideal and perhaps, in order to create that balance and ensure that we do get off to a meaningful start (but without losing more than one or two wickets at most), we drop Bairstow and Buttler does what he does in T20s - opens. The team would then allow us a deeper batting order and a bigger choice bowling wise. As I say, it isn't ideal as it potentially adds to Buttler's workload but, should we bat first as hopefully we will, then it will potentially give him a longer respite than he usually would have between innings.
This from the bloke who doesn't play in The Blast but has, as his warm up for his games in The Hundred, a round of golf. And who is paid a load of dosh to promote The Hundred with the promise that he only has to play half a dozen games. We see you Joe!
This from the bloke who doesn't play in The Blast but has, as his warm up for his games in The Hundred, a round of golf. And who is paid a load of dosh to promote The Hundred with the promise that he only has to play half a dozen games. We see you Joe!
A lot of people are getting too hung up with an extra 3.6 overs, or what ever it is.
We are going to have a franchise, short form, white ball cricket league, come what may (or August).
You can't have first class, 50 over and 20 over county cricket, international cricket and a franchise league all in 4 or 5 months.
You can't have revenue, cricket designed to produce England players and 18 counties.
Something has got to give. We never do anything truly radical in this country because their is too much nostalgia and small c conservatism. Everything is compromise. No one wants to be the next Dr Beeching. Everyone wants everything and no one is prepared to actually pay for it.
It's not a cricket problem, it's an England (and wales) problem.
This from the bloke who doesn't play in The Blast but has, as his warm up for his games in The Hundred, a round of golf. And who is paid a load of dosh to promote The Hundred with the promise that he only has to play half a dozen games. We see you Joe!
A lot of people are getting too hung up with an extra 3.6 overs, or what ever it is.
We are going to have a franchise, short form, white ball cricket league, come what may (or August).
You can't have first class, 50 over and 20 over county cricket, international cricket and a franchise league all in 4 or 5 months.
You can't have revenue, cricket designed to produce England players and 18 counties.
Something has got to give. We never do anything truly radical in this country because their is too much nostalgia and small c conservatism. Everything is compromise. No one wants to be the next Dr Beeching. Everyone wants everything and no one is prepared to actually pay for it.
It's not a cricket problem, it's an England (and wales) problem.
If you get rid of The Blast but retain the CC and 50 over cricket, there will be no pathway for 100 or 120 ball cricket at age group level. County U15 to U18s aren't going to play T20 when they don't even play that at first team level. No matter how nostalgic I get I can't, for the life of me, recall the last youngster that came through the ranks of the Oval Invincibles. Root seems to conveniently forget that factor because he has his own vested interests. It's the same with him when it comes to playing for Yorkshire. Forgive the pun but he has forgotten his roots.
So you can't get rid of The Blast for that very reason alone. The compromise is the current idea being floated and that is the retention of the CC, the 50 over and to replace The Hundred with a re-vamped Vitality Blast but with the proposal that the 18 franchise teams that play in that competition are jointly owned by the counties, the ECB and venture capitalists. That re-branding with TV rights to the BBC/ITV/C4/C5 will bring the game to a wider audience without losing the identities of the counties themselves. The Birmingham Bears are Warwickshire after all. That is what should have happened in the first place but the ECB got greedy and The Hundred is losing money as a result of that. The people that put it in place have long since run off with their salary and bonuses.
This from the bloke who doesn't play in The Blast but has, as his warm up for his games in The Hundred, a round of golf. And who is paid a load of dosh to promote The Hundred with the promise that he only has to play half a dozen games. We see you Joe!
A lot of people are getting too hung up with an extra 3.6 overs, or what ever it is.
We are going to have a franchise, short form, white ball cricket league, come what may (or August).
You can't have first class, 50 over and 20 over county cricket, international cricket and a franchise league all in 4 or 5 months.
You can't have revenue, cricket designed to produce England players and 18 counties.
Something has got to give. We never do anything truly radical in this country because their is too much nostalgia and small c conservatism. Everything is compromise. No one wants to be the next Dr Beeching. Everyone wants everything and no one is prepared to actually pay for it.
It's not a cricket problem, it's an England (and wales) problem.
If you get rid of The Blast but retain the CC and 50 over cricket, there will be no pathway for 100 or 120 ball cricket at age group level. County U15 to U18s aren't going to play T20 when they don't even play that at first team level. No matter how nostalgic I get I can't, for the life of me, recall the last youngster that came through the ranks of the Oval Invincibles. Root seems to conveniently forget that factor because he has his own vested interests. It's the same with him when it comes to playing for Yorkshire. Forgive the pun but he has forgotten his roots.
So you can't get rid of The Blast for that very reason alone. The compromise is the current idea being floated and that is the retention of the CC, the 50 over and to replace The Hundred with a re-vamped Vitality Blast but with the proposal that the 18 franchise teams that play in that competition are jointly owned by the counties, the ECB and venture capitalists. That re-branding with TV rights to the BBC/ITV/C4/C5 will bring the game to a wider audience without losing the identities of the counties themselves. The Birmingham Bears are Warwickshire after all. That is what should have happened in the first place but the ECB got greedy and The Hundred is losing money as a result of that. The people that put it in place have long since run off with their salary and bonuses.
How many youngsters have come through Sydney Thunder or the Lucknow Super Giants?
And if some miracle Oval Invincibles had signed a 14 year old school child on "forms" when they formed, they would be at least 16 now. Unforgivable really.
The Hundred was a half arsed compromise because no one will challenge the archaic system with made up counties, representing about 60% of the country.
I am not suggesting abolition of anything but Victorian Britain isn't really relevant any more.
This from the bloke who doesn't play in The Blast but has, as his warm up for his games in The Hundred, a round of golf. And who is paid a load of dosh to promote The Hundred with the promise that he only has to play half a dozen games. We see you Joe!
A lot of people are getting too hung up with an extra 3.6 overs, or what ever it is.
We are going to have a franchise, short form, white ball cricket league, come what may (or August).
You can't have first class, 50 over and 20 over county cricket, international cricket and a franchise league all in 4 or 5 months.
You can't have revenue, cricket designed to produce England players and 18 counties.
Something has got to give. We never do anything truly radical in this country because their is too much nostalgia and small c conservatism. Everything is compromise. No one wants to be the next Dr Beeching. Everyone wants everything and no one is prepared to actually pay for it.
It's not a cricket problem, it's an England (and wales) problem.
If you get rid of The Blast but retain the CC and 50 over cricket, there will be no pathway for 100 or 120 ball cricket at age group level. County U15 to U18s aren't going to play T20 when they don't even play that at first team level. No matter how nostalgic I get I can't, for the life of me, recall the last youngster that came through the ranks of the Oval Invincibles. Root seems to conveniently forget that factor because he has his own vested interests. It's the same with him when it comes to playing for Yorkshire. Forgive the pun but he has forgotten his roots.
So you can't get rid of The Blast for that very reason alone. The compromise is the current idea being floated and that is the retention of the CC, the 50 over and to replace The Hundred with a re-vamped Vitality Blast but with the proposal that the 18 franchise teams that play in that competition are jointly owned by the counties, the ECB and venture capitalists. That re-branding with TV rights to the BBC/ITV/C4/C5 will bring the game to a wider audience without losing the identities of the counties themselves. The Birmingham Bears are Warwickshire after all. That is what should have happened in the first place but the ECB got greedy and The Hundred is losing money as a result of that. The people that put it in place have long since run off with their salary and bonuses.
How many youngsters have come through Sydney Thunder or the Lucknow Super Giants?
But you're not comparing like against like. For a start, Australia haven't tried to add a fourth competition which is what the ECB did. This is a breakdown of their season:
Marsh Cup (50 over) - 24/9 to 20/11 & 1/2 to 25/2 Sheffield Shield (4 day) - 3/10 to 28/11 & 3/2 to 21/3 Big Bash (T20) - 7/12 to 24/1
As there are only six States they play far fewer matches in the MC & SS than we do in the CC and Metro Bank. Up and coming players and State players have the opportunity to play in local T20 competitions within those States - Grade 1 cricket in Australia is much stronger than Premier League Cricket here for that reason. There is no direct link between the local leagues in this country to the franchises or the counties to the franchises. The link is between England, the counties, the districts and then the clubs - there really is no need to try and break that link. But there was a need to make The Blast more sexy and of wider appeal through the channels the ECB chose for The Hundred, a game which no other country in the world plays or ever will. And it's not one that is played at any club on a Saturday afternoon either.
Hopefully this new proposal will satisfy everyone.
On the one hand Root says that more ODIs since 2019 would have "benefitted" England in India and that "When you're not playing the format, it's hard to know who the best players are". There again, when he chooses to play in a T20 league in the United Arab Emirates instead of three ODI matches for England in South Africa what does he really expect?
Root has always done what Root wants to do. Whether it's batting at 3 for England, playing golf against celebrities instead of cricket for the county that nurtured his talent in their hour of need or even choosing what format and who he is going to play for at any given time. For that reason, I really do not think that it can be argued that he has the wider interests of the game at heart.
I don't understand why they didn't go for the Blast with a bit of outside investment idea from the start of all this. The Hundred at least the men's competition is going to be a white elephant now Major League Cricket occupies a similar window and will attract all the prime overseas talent.
I don't get why Root is targeting the Blast? For the smaller counties it's an absolute lifeline, hopefully some of the other players from smaller counties take him to task for that comment because it's pretty pathetic.
I think but im not sure at all and don’t understand it at all , I was told something like this hammered at Lords that t20 is Indian owned therefore when played professionally the owners of t20 have to be paid , that doesn’t make sense to me and the big wigs at ECB don’t like it so invented this 100 ball waffle as a rival to get their own thing going . No idea if any of that is correct
Bangladesh have made a couple of early inroads against SA - 51-2 off 12. "Really don't like the colour clash of the teams though. Very difficult to distinguish the sides." the sort of thing my wife would say.
I don't understand why they didn't go for the Blast with a bit of outside investment idea from the start of all this. The Hundred at least the men's competition is going to be a white elephant now Major League Cricket occupies a similar window and will attract all the prime overseas talent.
I don't get why Root is targeting the Blast? For the smaller counties it's an absolute lifeline, hopefully some of the other players from smaller counties take him to task for that comment because it's pretty pathetic.
Because Root really doesn't care. He's paid by the ECB and the various franchises around the world and couldn't care less about the counties now. He has become a cricketing mercenary and that's fine as long as he doesn't then try to take the game away from the very people that help to pay his wages and certainly helped in no small way to develop him as the cricketer he is. Perhaps if all 18 counties refused to play him next time he wants to play in a 4-day game to find some form he might become a bit more appreciative.
De Kock reaches his 3rd hundred of the tournament in just the five innings. He didn't have a single WC ton prior to this one and he's retiring from ODIs at the end of this one and will leave big boots to fill. It is also SA's 6th ton in this WC.
So sick of watching other countries pile on the runs. Didn’t think we’d come close to winning this World Cup but thought we’d be a damn sight closer than this
AA - do you know the spread at the start of the tournament for De Kock’s total runs?
I trade on Betfair rather than the spreads but I would guess around about the 400 mark. I have asked my eldest son to see if he can find out as he has a lot more contacts who might have traded on de Kock on the spreads and will revert if he manages to get a precise number.
So sick of watching other countries pile on the runs. Didn’t think we’d come close to winning this World Cup but thought we’d be a damn sight closer than this
The difference is that those teams have a settled side with their best players out there and in form too plus a known game plan. Our side isn't settled, we really don't know if these are our best players with some of the best struggling for form too and we have little or no obvious game plan.
SA maintan that remarkable stat - they have used just five bowlers in each of their five matches and in each of those matches all of those five bowlers utilised have taken at least one wicket.
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We now return to the bottom of the table. One could argue that Pakistan being beaten is a good result for us but the bottom line is that we probably have to win all of our remaining games now anyway.
Something like this:
Buttler
Malan
Root
Brook
Stokes
Livingstone
Moeen/Curran
Woakes/Willey/Carse
Rashid
Wood
Atkinson
We are going to have a franchise, short form, white ball cricket league, come what may (or August).
You can't have first class, 50 over and 20 over county cricket, international cricket and a franchise league all in 4 or 5 months.
You can't have revenue, cricket designed to produce England players and 18 counties.
Something has got to give. We never do anything truly radical in this country because their is too much nostalgia and small c conservatism. Everything is compromise. No one wants to be the next Dr Beeching. Everyone wants everything and no one is prepared to actually pay for it.
It's not a cricket problem, it's an England (and wales) problem.
So you can't get rid of The Blast for that very reason alone. The compromise is the current idea being floated and that is the retention of the CC, the 50 over and to replace The Hundred with a re-vamped Vitality Blast but with the proposal that the 18 franchise teams that play in that competition are jointly owned by the counties, the ECB and venture capitalists. That re-branding with TV rights to the BBC/ITV/C4/C5 will bring the game to a wider audience without losing the identities of the counties themselves. The Birmingham Bears are Warwickshire after all. That is what should have happened in the first place but the ECB got greedy and The Hundred is losing money as a result of that. The people that put it in place have long since run off with their salary and bonuses.
And if some miracle Oval Invincibles had signed a 14 year old school child on "forms" when they formed, they would be at least 16 now. Unforgivable really.
The Hundred was a half arsed compromise because no one will challenge the archaic system with made up counties, representing about 60% of the country.
I am not suggesting abolition of anything but Victorian Britain isn't really relevant any more.
Marsh Cup (50 over) - 24/9 to 20/11 & 1/2 to 25/2
Sheffield Shield (4 day) - 3/10 to 28/11 & 3/2 to 21/3
Big Bash (T20) - 7/12 to 24/1
As there are only six States they play far fewer matches in the MC & SS than we do in the CC and Metro Bank. Up and coming players and State players have the opportunity to play in local T20 competitions within those States - Grade 1 cricket in Australia is much stronger than Premier League Cricket here for that reason. There is no direct link between the local leagues in this country to the franchises or the counties to the franchises. The link is between England, the counties, the districts and then the clubs - there really is no need to try and break that link. But there was a need to make The Blast more sexy and of wider appeal through the channels the ECB chose for The Hundred, a game which no other country in the world plays or ever will. And it's not one that is played at any club on a Saturday afternoon either.
Hopefully this new proposal will satisfy everyone.
Root has always done what Root wants to do. Whether it's batting at 3 for England, playing golf against celebrities instead of cricket for the county that nurtured his talent in their hour of need or even choosing what format and who he is going to play for at any given time. For that reason, I really do not think that it can be argued that he has the wider interests of the game at heart.
I don't get why Root is targeting the Blast? For the smaller counties it's an absolute lifeline, hopefully some of the other players from smaller counties take him to task for that comment because it's pretty pathetic.
No idea if any of that is correct
196-3 off 35
82-6.