Too many shareholders will be dabbling and Methven does not look like a good bloke - more looks like an asset stripper, even though we have very few assets left! Big problem remains Roly, who own the only real assets we have.
I see yet more underperformance ahead and it will be interesting to see if this new committee of owners will live up to their own hype, latest of which is that we do not "fit in league 1" - no shit Sherlock !!
Just hearing Methven now on BBC London- what a knobhead, especially as he says the new owners see us as a "bit of fun" in his poncy Etonian accent. We will not see these clowns in front of us.
They may pull it off, but my gut feeling is that they are not interested in Charlton and so if they get off to a bad start, we will be back to where we started under Sandgaard.
Hope I am wrong!
They way I read it was that Charlton is just a very small part of the investor's portfolio. Yes he did mention the word "fun", but perhaps that is what this is for them. Of course there is no emotional attachment. They haven't been attending Charlton games for years on end. The Newcastle owners have no emotional attachment to the club - very few owners do, but there is too much accessible cash with this new lot to try to asset strip Charlton. It wouldn't be worth them waking up for.
Just listened live. I have to say I thought he came over well, however there seemed to be trouble with his line as I couldn't hear everything. I heard nothing that alarmed me, nothing that made me think that the investors are in it for a quick buck, in fact he 100% reputed that. For me, using CM's own words, it's now actions not words. My opinion of this new group is 7.5/10. However a few decent transfers and its an 8 from me.
Too many shareholders will be dabbling and Methven does not look like a good bloke - more looks like an asset stripper, even though we have very few assets left! Big problem remains Roly, who own the only real assets we have.
I see yet more underperformance ahead and it will be interesting to see if this new committee of owners will live up to their own hype, latest of which is that we do not "fit in league 1" - no shit Sherlock !!
Just hearing Methven now on BBC London- what a knobhead, especially as he says the new owners see us as a "bit of fun" in his poncy Etonian accent. We will not see these clowns in front of us.
They may pull it off, but my gut feeling is that they are not interested in Charlton and so if they get off to a bad start, we will be back to where we started under Sandgaard.
Too many shareholders will be dabbling and Methven does not look like a good bloke - more looks like an asset stripper, even though we have very few assets left! Big problem remains Roly, who own the only real assets we have.
I see yet more underperformance ahead and it will be interesting to see if this new committee of owners will live up to their own hype, latest of which is that we do not "fit in league 1" - no shit Sherlock !!
Just hearing Methven now on BBC London- what a knobhead, especially as he says the new owners see us as a "bit of fun" in his poncy Etonian accent. We will not see these clowns in front of us.
They may pull it off, but my gut feeling is that they are not interested in Charlton and so if they get off to a bad start, we will be back to where we started under Sandgaard.
Hope I am wrong!
I'm thinking we must have listened to a different interview. He said all the right things as far as I'm concerned. Whether they will succeed no one knows. But he's definitely not a knobhead, just because he went to Eton (which is basically your bigotry).
Think he's underplayed it a bit there knowing we're in the market for a few players. Smart. Think he came across well...
Now he would be a dickhead if he said we're going to blow this league out of the water and be Champions this time next year. Plus we'll spend whatever it takes to buy back The Valley & Sparrows Lane.
Think he's underplayed it a bit there knowing we're in the market for a few players. Smart. Think he came across well...
Now he would be a dickhead if he said we're going to blow this league out of the water and be Champions this time next year. Plus we'll spend whatever it takes to buy back The Valley & Sparrows Lane.
Hopefully that is one of their long term objectives though...
Think he's underplayed it a bit there knowing we're in the market for a few players. Smart. Think he came across well...
Now he would be a dickhead if he said we're going to blow this league out of the water and be Champions this time next year. Plus we'll spend whatever it takes to buy back The Valley & Sparrows Lane.
Hopefully that is one of their long term objectives though...
Can't imagine that it's a conversation that the Consortium won't have had, even just amongst themselves. But equally would be very very surprised if they discuss those plans with us, evn if they do have anything concrete already.
Business-like, and very much the smooth PR man, He could win a gold medal for waffling - a masterpiece in saying nothing to frighten the horses!
Really the only new things I learned from that are 2 definitions: "medium term" = up to 5 years, the time-frame which he expects the investors to stick with things without getting itchy feet (my words, not his) "medium-long term" = up to 12-13 years, the time left on the lease, during which discussions can take place with the owner.
That is useful to know, because I expect him to continue using vague phrases like that. But not a lot to come out of a c.30 min interview.
I'll give him some credit for apparently having got up to speed on the history of the fans' battle for the Valley, although (as the fan representative also clearly felt), I don't think Methven has absorbed quite how deep that goes with many fans.
Think he's underplayed it a bit there knowing we're in the market for a few players. Smart. Think he came across well...
Now he would be a dickhead if he said we're going to blow this league out of the water and be Champions this time next year. Plus we'll spend whatever it takes to buy back The Valley & Sparrows Lane.
Hopefully that is one of their long term objectives though...
"Hopefully" they will own the Valley and Sparrows Lane and we are not in the National league.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
I have no answer to any of those questions. However it does not seem to be in Charlie Methven's nature to be in the background of any project he gets involved in. Rodwell has apparently been happy to open and maintain communication with CAST under strict agreement of confidentiality. Different styles.
Think he's underplayed it a bit there knowing we're in the market for a few players. Smart. Think he came across well...
Now he would be a dickhead if he said we're going to blow this league out of the water and be Champions this time next year. Plus we'll spend whatever it takes to buy back The Valley & Sparrows Lane.
Hopefully that is one of their long term objectives though...
You would hope so but very much doubt that is the intention of this mob.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It was pretty obvious to everyone (but one person) that Methven has and will be fronting the consortium. It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It was pretty obvious to everyone (but one person) that Methven has and will be fronting the consortium. It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
I assume you are correct. I’m not sure why the media don’t clarify with him / explain why he is updating on the club and not others.
Think some people on here and twitter are still getting confused with hedge fund value and personal wealth. Especially in discussions around simply buying the Valley.
Not surprised Methven has put himself front and centre, and Sunderland fans' opinions of him mean I'm still only cautiously optimistic for what lies ahead.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It was pretty obvious to everyone (but one person) that Methven has and will be fronting the consortium. It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
I assume you are correct. I’m not sure why the media don’t clarify with him / explain why he is updating on the club and not others.
They did in the interview, did you listen to it? It's his role because it would be too time consuming for Rodwell or Scott to liaise with 7 plus owners, so he is the conduit.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It was pretty obvious to everyone (but one person) that Methven has and will be fronting the consortium. It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
I assume you are correct. I’m not sure why the media don’t clarify with him / explain why he is updating on the club and not others.
They did in the interview, did you listen to it? It's his role because it would be too time consuming for Rodwell or Scott to liaise with 7 plus owners, so he is the conduit.
That’s not the same thing. Conduit to the money men is not the same as public face to us as fans.
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Is that a paid role do we know?
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
Shouldn't it be paid? If its an actual job, he should get paid, shouldn't he?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
Many owners / investors do not take money out despite investing time as well.
Trying to understand why he is currently the public face that is all.
There was plenty of criticism on here for the nepotism towards MS from TS and his supposed generous salary.
That said if we can afford such paid positions now in addition to the seemingly larger SMT that would indicate a healthier operating budget and maybe a good thing for current staff and the playing squad too. A reason to be optimistic?
I think there are a bit of apples and oranges there because I don't think anyone would have cared what MS's salary, which was being paid by his dad not the club, was if Thomas had carried on funding the team. You can't plead poverty and "operation breakeven" and pay your son 6 figures.
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
Missing my main point a little.
Why is he the public face ? Because he is being paid to do it would make some sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It was pretty obvious to everyone (but one person) that Methven has and will be fronting the consortium. It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
I assume you are correct. I’m not sure why the media don’t clarify with him / explain why he is updating on the club and not others.
They did in the interview, did you listen to it? It's his role because it would be too time consuming for Rodwell or Scott to liaise with 7 plus owners, so he is the conduit.
That’s not the same thing. Conduit to the money men is not the same as public face to us as fans.
Ok, conduit to the money men and the public face of the consortium.
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I heard nothing that alarmed me, nothing that made me think that the investors are in it for a quick buck, in fact he 100% reputed that.
For me, using CM's own words, it's now actions not words.
My opinion of this new group is 7.5/10. However a few decent transfers and its an 8 from me.
He said all the right things as far as I'm concerned.
Whether they will succeed no one knows.
But he's definitely not a knobhead, just because he went to Eton (which is basically your bigotry).
Really the only new things I learned from that are 2 definitions:
"medium term" = up to 5 years, the time-frame which he expects the investors to stick with things without getting itchy feet (my words, not his)
"medium-long term" = up to 12-13 years, the time left on the lease, during which discussions can take place with the owner.
That is useful to know, because I expect him to continue using vague phrases like that. But not a lot to come out of a c.30 min interview.
I'll give him some credit for apparently having got up to speed on the history of the fans' battle for the Valley, although (as the fan representative also clearly felt), I don't think Methven has absorbed quite how deep that goes with many fans.
Starts about an hour and a half in
- when asked about his role, he answered exactly as he did in our interview. That's interesting because since then Gavin Carter has come along and been parked on the CAFC board. I had assumed that it meant Carter would play the role of liaison point between SMT and investors. But CM said tonight that remains his role. So what's the point of Gavin Carter?
- he referred to "the Performance dept" as being one of the keys to success on the pitch. This was something we discussed at length but he asked it be kept off the record. At the time I thought he was just throwing it in because he somehow knew I'm always banging on about medical and fitness. Seems he's serious. There's no point in getting in good players if they're always injured. Good. I'm looking forward to the material improvements
-Technical director to be appointed in "hours, if not days" they apparently have someone, who needs to negotiate finishing up at wherever he is now.
He speaks fluently. It is one of the personal attributes. I recommend to treat it as neither a good nor a bad thing. He has set out his stall, on the record. So let's judge him over time on the goodies he's displayed on that stall.
Why are the ‘media’ engaging with him at this early stage when we have Rodwell as part of the management team and CM was suggested to be only a 5% investor? Has Rodwell decline to be interviewed?
I once worked for Sainsbury's whom I had shares in, I still expected to be paid 😀 😃
I do find it a bit strange how people get upset that a millionaire might take a salary off a couple of people with at least a 100, if not more, orders of magnitude of wealth.
If we were owned by a Charlton supporting "local boys came good" consortium who put every spare penny into the club and someone weasel their way in to fleece a wage I would obviously feel very differently.
I think that makes sense.
But in the absence (in these very early days) of any parallel wider investment in the core infrastructure of the club beyond these higher profile roles doesn’t give me much comfort yet. But hopefully it points to that coming.
It's his plan and I'm pretty damn confident he's being paid, why would he be working for free?
Not surprised Methven has put himself front and centre, and Sunderland fans' opinions of him mean I'm still only cautiously optimistic for what lies ahead.
It's his role because it would be too time consuming for Rodwell or Scott to liaise with 7 plus owners, so he is the conduit.