After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Has Rich ever been this confident about something only to have egg on his face?
Ben Watson being a signing of intent.
Rich wasn’t wrong though, was he? Rich said it was a signing that would raise eyebrows and be a signing of intent, which it should have been. We were signing a player who won player of the year for a side that just missed out on a play off place in the division above. Who wouldn’t be excited by that.
If we were to similarly go and sign Middlesbrough’s player of the year now, are you telling me that wouldn’t raise eyebrows and get people excited?
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Well we can only hope, but it’s also possible he’ll be the manager to say that he hasn’t quite got what it takes, if we want to progress. He’s had more chances to prove himself than most young players get, but just when you think it might happen for him he tends to miss that final pass, or will fail to hit the target when shooting. Would be happy if Garner could get ten or twenty percent more out of him of course.
As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.
As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.
Also will allow us to mix it up on occasion and when you cross a ball you want him in the middle.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Doesn’t prove you can’t get promoted with a possession style of course. Both would have gone up automatically with one more win. That could come down to one poor performance in which they lost 1-0 but should have scored 2 or 3.
I don’t generally want tippy tappy football at the back but if it gets results and we’re one of the top scorers in the division then that’s very different to what we’ve seen before. Robinson and Peeters tried it but we didn’t have the players for it, especially not at the attacking end of the pitch. It could be great to watch if we get the right signings in.
CL is at its best when after the "underwhelmed" comments are out the way, some research takes place and we get an understanding of the man behind the name.
Michael Beale, Ben Garner, Karl Robinson are all ex players that mainly because of injuries or they weren't good enough footballers became coaches in their early 20's.
To have success at football you normally needed to fail somewhere unless you have only worked with elite footballers. Charlton in the 3rd tier don't have elite footballers so you have to work and devise a system that works in League 1. Good luck with that Ben Garner or whoever.
Brighton-Poyet and Bournemouth-Howe were the two teams that were most pleasing on the eye in promotion years from the 3rd tier. If at times we win like Rotherham then lets not complain because some days you win ugly. Better ball retention and passing and crosses from advanced positions would be progress.
Announce ASAP Thomas Sandgaard and then let the youngish coach have the casting vote with incoming transfers on the "committee" which we need to do early so new faces can gel and we hit the ground running and passing in late July when the 22/23 Season starts early.
As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.
Davison isn’t similar to stockley. He’s a lot more mobile and therefore can suit a team that wants to press. Davisons best asset is his running/work rate, which is probably stockleys worst. Not sure stockley can play on his own up top in a team that wants to press high and Davison isn’t good enough too.
If it’s Garner I think we will go for Tyrece Simpson maybe who was at Swindon earlier in the season. I don’t think stockley is mobile enough or good enough with his feet for Garner-ball. For one up top in that system we will need more of an all-rounder like a Bonne rather than someone like stockley who has very clear strengths and weaknesses so you are forced to play to those strengths
anyone know when Thomas arrives in the UK? I just want him to announce Garner so we can put this to bed and Ben can get down to the task of getting us out of League One. It's getting tedious now.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Doesn’t prove you can’t get promoted with a possession style of course. Both would have gone up automatically with one more win. That could come down to one poor performance in which they lost 1-0 but should have scored 2 or 3.
I don’t generally want tippy tappy football at the back but if it gets results and we’re one of the top scorers in the division then that’s very different to what we’ve seen before. Robinson and Peeters tried it but we didn’t have the players for it, especially not at the attacking end of the pitch. It could be great to watch if we get the right signings in.
I’d be happy if we could just pass to a red shirt (when we are playing in red of course!)
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.
That was our sliding doors moment. In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy. Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-in
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-in
So what you’re saying is their owners chose a style of play and brought in players and a head coach to fit that?
After the initial reaction when Garner was mentioned have people changed their thoughts now ? Would he be a decent signing or not ?
I'll put my hand up and admit I thought it was a crap choice before doing any research, it was a case of who's Garner??
I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
Excellent post and mirrors what I think, once I saw the image that has been posted previously (will attach again for reminder) and heard him talk my mind was made up, you just cant fluke those kind of team traits/stats, especially at a lower level with a lower budget where you can’t cherry pick players.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
Very similar to the stats produced by Manning at MK Dons. Neither sides managed to get promoted. However it will be nice to see a team with an actual game plan, rather than looking totally disjointed and clueless.
Both managers who joined very late on though. Garner started two weeks before Swindon's first game with 7 players at his disposal and Manning started the day before MK Dons' second league match, so they both had to try and impress their style on a team in a very short space of time. In both cases I think if the season had gone on a week or two longer they might have made the automatics, so having a full pre-season to prepare might have been what they needed to go up automatically. Plus it's not like they failed completely, both got done in the Play-Offs, and we know full well that all form, ability and sense goes out the window with that nonsense. We finished 15 points ahead of Doncaster and had a two goal lead after two minutes of the second leg, but we still needed to get the luck on penalties to go up. I know people are getting very itchy about us not having a manager in yet but we're still a long, long way ahead of those appointments.
True, but as a caveat in Manning's case he didn't need to impose anything - their style was already baked-in
So what you’re saying is their owners chose a style of play and brought in players and a head coach to fit that?
I am probably the last person on this entire site who needs convincing of the benefits of this approach!
At this stage I really don't care if we get promoted, just want to watch half decent football and not leave the ground depressed more often than not.
I sometimes think the highest bonus should be for a home win, and for a home defeat the players should get a financial penalty. Not sure how this might work though.
As stated above, I think Fraser would be a vital cog in Garner's system. That's exciting. I think Chuks and CBT will also be workable, maybe even Kirk.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.
Garner made good use of Davison at Swindon, a not dissimilar player.
I think there's enough difference to say they are very different players. Stockley is an out and out target man and I can't see how he successfully starts in a 433. But if we can bring one in and have Stockley/Aneke as competition then we could be onto something.
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I've since changed my stance on him, and if TS wants a young, upcoming manager who plays forward thinking attacking football, Garner certainly fits the bill.
I was pleasantly surprised of his mindset after listening to the 90+ minute interview he gave on a podcast, when he mentioned how he's studied a psychology and NLP, (neuro linguistic programming) that being the way humans develop pathways In the brain that certain thoughts and behaviours become habitual, and implements strategies that assist in achieving personal goals.
Swindons data record this past season is impressive, especially as they had 7 1st team players when he joined, and how he turned that squad into promotion challengers.
He's also been in the game long enough to have a good network, working at Premier league, and championship clubs as 1st team coach.
His time at Bristol was cut short, and he admits he didn't get things completely right, but he was asked to build the whole club culture, with plenty of behind the scenes work too. He stated he learnt a lot from the experience.
His training sessions are apparently meticulously planned, and he has different ways to educate the players on what he wants to achieve, learning lots from working in India.
He admits he feels he has to work harder to gain the trust of his squad, due to a short footballing career, which had little success, I believe he has a drive and passion that more established managers may not, imho.
His stock is definitely on the rise, and I for one thinks he could very well be successful with us, IF Thomas and Co gets the right resources and building blocks in, including Garner's own coaching team signed too, the recruitment right, and IF it's done early so he can get to work in pre season to drive his message home before the league kicks off. A few IF's I know...
It'll be a fresh start for us, one I think that's needed, it'll shake up the squad we've retained who've gotten used to the same faces and routines around the training ground for a few years, bar Adkins last season.
All of this is just my take on it, and him. To be honest, Im quite excited about him getting the job. It's a bold choice, but I think it's what we need.
I genuinely believe he’s gonna be the manager to elevate Albies game and get the best out of Fraser. I’m excited to see what he can do with better players at his disposal.
I can't see how Stockley would fit in though.
We can only hope Garner is the start of the new beginning.
I don’t generally want tippy tappy football at the back but if it gets results and we’re one of the top scorers in the division then that’s very different to what we’ve seen before. Robinson and Peeters tried it but we didn’t have the players for it, especially not at the attacking end of the pitch. It could be great to watch if we get the right signings in.
Like the comment....the picture though, pass me the bucket please..🤢🤢🤢
Good to see @ozaddick join the elite club.
Michael Beale, Ben Garner, Karl Robinson are all ex players that mainly because of injuries or they weren't good enough footballers became coaches in their early 20's.
To have success at football you normally needed to fail somewhere unless you have only worked with elite footballers. Charlton in the 3rd tier don't have elite footballers so you have to work and devise a system that works in League 1. Good luck with that Ben Garner or whoever.
Brighton-Poyet and Bournemouth-Howe were the two teams that were most pleasing on the eye in promotion years from the 3rd tier.
If at times we win like Rotherham then lets not complain because some days you win ugly. Better ball retention and passing and crosses from advanced positions would be progress.
Announce ASAP Thomas Sandgaard and then let the youngish coach have the casting vote with incoming transfers on the "committee" which we need to do early so new faces can gel and we hit the ground running and passing in late July when the 22/23 Season starts early.
That was our sliding doors moment.
In a parallel universe Curbishley decides to stay at Cafc and Murray gives Alan the extra money that he gave to Dowie. Charlton not Leicester win the Premier and the FA cup after keeping most of the talented youngsters. Captain Joe Gomez, Ademola Lookman, Nick Pope, Konsa and Joe Aribo all sign long contracts at Cafc and everyone's happy.
Other than Golfie addick who states does Curbs need to retire in 2022 as Charlton only finish mid table in the Premier League.
Not sure how this might work though.