How long was his first contract at Charlton - 2 years? Comes through our academy soaking up free tuition, gets given his chance of first team football early, spends 50% of his contract getting paid whilst injured. Refuses to sign a new one. Thanks for the memories Alfie.
Did he completely tear his hamstring? For a player with acceleration and pace, that will take some healing to be the same again. Take the money Charlton.
I think his agent is doing him a massive disservice, and clearly is just after the commission now. If he signs a new contract with us, he might still be in the Championship and with a club which is likely to give him time to develop, rather than as a big money buy where he will be expected to deliver straight away after his injury. Failing that if he tears up L1 next season, plenty of clubs will be after him then. He's only 21, so got plenty of time on his side.
And it's ridiculous that irrespective of how much we get for him, our "wages" allowance for the season is unchanged.
I think his agent is doing him a massive disservice, and clearly is just after the commission now. If he signs a new contract with us, he might still be in the Championship and with a club which is likely to give him time to develop, rather than as a big money buy where he will be expected to deliver straight away after his injury. Failing that if he tears up L1 next season, plenty of clubs will be after him then. He's only 21, so got plenty of time on his side.
And it's ridiculous that irrespective of how much we get for him, our "wages" allowance for the season is unchanged.
Couldn't agree more. He is nowhere near a finished article and we have the stability that others could use as an excuse before now. Really dissapointing from Alfie and his reps.
Big question marks about the kind of player Doughty is when he returns.
His strength is his lung busting ability to pick the ball up and run box to box with it.
Will he still be capable of that when he returns? It's a risky style, especially when it's already taken you out for a length of time once. Even if he is capable, would his body want him to.....or his agent?
One could argue that without pace, Alfie is pretty average and not the best technically.
I'd love him to stay, but I'm sure those with greater knowledge than me will be weighing it up.
Could end up like Danny Haynes with the hamstring vulnerable.
I'm ok with a fee in the 650k-1m range if we get a sizeable sell on fee of say 20-30%.
Yes we *could* get promoted and he signs in the summer but equally we could lose him for pennies if we don't. I'd take more comfort from the sell on rather than the transfer fee today, we don't get any kind of sell on clause from a tribunal.
Good luck Alfie - hopefully you're the last one out of the door due to Roland's mismanagement. Fingers crossed you're worth 10-15m in a few years and we get an extra couple of million out of the deal.
Everyone saying we should accept Stoke's bid for Doughty is missing one thing.
If you were Doughty would you want to rush in and sign for Stoke when there will almost certainly be better options - and more profitable ones for him - at the end of the season when he can leave on a free.
If I was him I'd just sit it out to the end of the season and weigh up my options then.
Levitt hasn't departed yet, I wonder if he's moved up the pecking order without Watson & Pratley next few games? Time to have a proper look at him and send back before the end of the month if he doesn't perform.
To be honest, if I was a young player who relied almost entirely on my pace and I tore my hamstring I’d be signing the highest value, longest contract I could as soon as it was offered up. What if some people are right and he actually has lost some serious pace when he comes back? In that case the sensible thing for him to do is sign with Stoke now before it’s proven either way and then sit on maybe the biggest contract he’s ever going to get until it runs out. If he’s kept his pace then he’s on more money. If he’s lost his pace then, well, they’re stuck with him
Levitt hasn't departed yet, I wonder if he's moved up the pecking order without Watson & Pratley next few games? Time to have a proper look at him and send back before the end of the month if he doesn't perform.
Might as well as with Shinnie / Famewo out injured, we're not exceeding our loan quota for games what with Miller our sixth loan at the moment
Can someone explain why a club would pay a fee for Doughty now rather than get him for free in the summer? As he’s injured until at least March, he probably won’t be up to speed until he’s had a preseason surely, so does he really have value this season? Also, wouldn’t Alfie himself prefer to move in the summer when he can get higher wages due to the lack of fee?
Everyone saying we should accept Stoke's bid for Doughty is missing one thing.
If you were Doughty would you want to rush in and sign for Stoke when there will almost certainly be better options - and more profitable ones for him - at the end of the season when he can leave on a free.
If I was him I'd just sit it out to the end of the season and weigh up my options then.
Stoke are pushing for the play offs, I don’t think he will get much better. Even if he goes to Celtic, he will be joining the bottom team in a two team league
Can someone explain why a club would pay a fee for Doughty now rather than get him for free in the summer? As he’s injured until at least March, he probably won’t be up to speed until he’s had a preseason surely, so does he really have value this season? Also, wouldn’t Alfie himself prefer to move in the summer when he can get higher wages due to the lack of fee?
Because there is no guarantee that you will win the race to sign him. It may also be more expensive with a signing on fee.
Shows what a class act lads like Jonjo Shelvey were – signing a contract while we were in League One when he had the pick of Prem clubs to make sure we got a decent (ish) fee further down the line.
The Millwall-supporting Bromley loan ace won’t be remembered long down here, unlike some of the true gems from our great academy.
Stoke lost Tyrese Campbell for the season probably, so badly need some extra attacking options up top, Whether an injured L1 winger is what they need is another thing, maybe they see him as a long term punt
From our point of view, a fit Doughty returning in March could make the difference between promotion and another season in L1, so it's a difficult choice to make
Can someone explain why a club would pay a fee for Doughty now rather than get him for free in the summer? As he’s injured until at least March, he probably won’t be up to speed until he’s had a preseason surely, so does he really have value this season? Also, wouldn’t Alfie himself prefer to move in the summer when he can get higher wages due to the lack of fee?
Because there is no guarantee that you will win the race to sign him. It may also be more expensive with a signing on fee.
Fair enough with guaranteeing they get him, but I can’t see how any extra wage/signing on fee would offset the purchase price and the wasted wages for the rest of this season. Just seems like a very expensive gamble to me.
Personally I don't think Doughty is as good as some on here do. I know he's still young but he's not a kid and running fast is one thing but it's what you do at the at the end of it that counts.
Personally I don't think Doughty is as good as some on here do. I know he's still young but he's not a kid and running fast is one thing but it's what you do at the at the end of it that counts.
To be fair to the lad it was all starting to come together for him before that injury.
Personally I don't think Doughty is as good as some on here do. I know he's still young but he's not a kid and running fast is one thing but it's what you do at the at the end of it that counts.
He frustrates me as he gets in really good positions, beats two men and then over hits the ball out of play. Still young though, when that clicks he will be a great player.
Personally I don't think Doughty is as good as some on here do. I know he's still young but he's not a kid and running fast is one thing but it's what you do at the at the end of it that counts.
He frustrates me as he gets in really good positions, beats two men and then over hits the ball out of play. Still young though, when that clicks he will be a great player.
I remember a certain Gareth Bale doing the same before he hit the heights then bang, out of nowhere!
From last year's squad Doughty has seen Gallagher, Dijksteel, Bielik, Cullen, Taylor, Lockyer, Bonne, Phillips, Field, Sarr and Leko all now plying their trade at a higher level and being remunerated accordingly. That's a whole team.
Of his peers, Morgan is the only one left to have come through out academy who is anywhere near starting in the first team at the moment -and he hasn't been able to secure a regular spot. Even if he manages to come back relatively soon he might not return the same player and there is no guarantee anyway that he will get a regular place with the likes of Smyth, Maddison and Millar, plus possibly others depending on the system LB plays, now around. And if he doesn't then his stock goes down.
The contract that he will secure now by moving he will be far more lucrative than we are able to offer.
On current form we will be lucky to make the play offs let alone automatic promotion.
As with others that have left it is the Club's fault that his future and transfer wasn't protected earlier.
We will get more money selling him now than at the end of the season and potentially secure a sell on fee.
In saying all of that I am trying to put myself not in his shoes, not his agent's shoes but say the shoes of one of his parents and also that of TS. Could I honestly say to my son, why don't you stick around 'til the end of the season and see what happens? And if I were TS why would I gamble on him coming back this season as good a player?
It's easy to say that Doughty could be the difference between promotion or not, after coming back from injury. With such a statement we are assuming that he:
- Is fully motivated and up for the cause - Will be returning fit and raring to go from the go - Will not be mentally worried (playing on the fringes) about jeopardising a future move with a possible reinjury.
To me this feels like a part Lyle, part Aribo situation that we are seeing. Happy to take the money and replough it into a replacement for an U21 (sounds easy).
I’d rather have players with Doughty’s pace and the inconsistency that comes with that in the squad than not. I’m sure he’d have been one of our top players for goals and assists had he stayed fit.
Any player with a consistent end product, good touch and decision making etc with that sort of pace will soon be playing in the Prem. Have to accept the weaknesses those type of players bring as their pace can make a huge difference.
He’s not at the level Gomez or even Shelvey were, but providing he keeps his pace I can see him continuing to get better. Many thought the likes of Konsa and Pope wasn’t that good, they went on to prove themselves and go further than expected.
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When is he due back from injury March time?
And it's ridiculous that irrespective of how much we get for him, our "wages" allowance for the season is unchanged.
Yes we *could* get promoted and he signs in the summer but equally we could lose him for pennies if we don't. I'd take more comfort from the sell on rather than the transfer fee today, we don't get any kind of sell on clause from a tribunal.
Good luck Alfie - hopefully you're the last one out of the door due to Roland's mismanagement. Fingers crossed you're worth 10-15m in a few years and we get an extra couple of million out of the deal.
If you were Doughty would you want to rush in and sign for Stoke when there will almost certainly be better options - and more profitable ones for him - at the end of the season when he can leave on a free.
If I was him I'd just sit it out to the end of the season and weigh up my options then.
As he’s injured until at least March, he probably won’t be up to speed until he’s had a preseason surely, so does he really have value this season? Also, wouldn’t Alfie himself prefer to move in the summer when he can get higher wages due to the lack of fee?
The Millwall-supporting Bromley loan ace won’t be remembered long down here, unlike some of the true gems from our great academy.
From our point of view, a fit Doughty returning in March could make the difference between promotion and another season in L1, so it's a difficult choice to make
I know he's still young but he's not a kid and running fast is one thing but it's what you do at the at the end of it that counts.
Of his peers, Morgan is the only one left to have come through out academy who is anywhere near starting in the first team at the moment -and he hasn't been able to secure a regular spot. Even if he manages to come back relatively soon he might not return the same player and there is no guarantee anyway that he will get a regular place with the likes of Smyth, Maddison and Millar, plus possibly others depending on the system LB plays, now around. And if he doesn't then his stock goes down.
The contract that he will secure now by moving he will be far more lucrative than we are able to offer.
On current form we will be lucky to make the play offs let alone automatic promotion.
As with others that have left it is the Club's fault that his future and transfer wasn't protected earlier.
We will get more money selling him now than at the end of the season and potentially secure a sell on fee.
In saying all of that I am trying to put myself not in his shoes, not his agent's shoes but say the shoes of one of his parents and also that of TS. Could I honestly say to my son, why don't you stick around 'til the end of the season and see what happens? And if I were TS why would I gamble on him coming back this season as good a player?
- Is fully motivated and up for the cause
- Will be returning fit and raring to go from the go
- Will not be mentally worried (playing on the fringes) about jeopardising a future move with a possible reinjury.
To me this feels like a part Lyle, part Aribo situation that we are seeing. Happy to take the money and replough it into a replacement for an U21 (sounds easy).
Any player with a consistent end product, good touch and decision making etc with that sort of pace will soon be playing in the Prem. Have to accept the weaknesses those type of players bring as their pace can make a huge difference.
He’s not at the level Gomez or even Shelvey were, but providing he keeps his pace I can see him continuing to get better. Many thought the likes of Konsa and Pope wasn’t that good, they went on to prove themselves and go further than expected.