A RB that sat on Colchester’s bench better than one that we sold for 1m + (I think) and is currently a championship player
That’s not the smartest thing I’ve ever heard.
He’s a CM, not a RB.
Alfie Doughty was sat on Bromley’s bench last season, that means absolutely nothing.
It was 2m I believe, and he can hardly get a kick. Their academy product Djed Spence is already a better player and keeps him out of the team.
But your calling for him to be our first choice RB?
I’m not calling for him to be our RB - I’m saying in a season where we are under a transfer embargo, likely losing key players and at risk of expulsion from the league, it would be a decent option.
I’d much rather Matthews, Solly or Dijksteel - but as we don’t have that option I think he’s worth a shot
You literally said “For me he’s our starting RB all season”. Now your saying you’d rather Dijksteel even though Sarpong is better? Where’s that shovel...
A RB that sat on Colchester’s bench better than one that we sold for 1m + (I think) and is currently a championship player
That’s not the smartest thing I’ve ever heard.
He’s a CM, not a RB.
Alfie Doughty was sat on Bromley’s bench last season, that means absolutely nothing.
It was 2m I believe, and he can hardly get a kick. Their academy product Djed Spence is already a better player and keeps him out of the team.
But your calling for him to be our first choice RB?
I’m not calling for him to be our RB - I’m saying in a season where we are under a transfer embargo, likely losing key players and at risk of expulsion from the league, it would be a decent option.
I’d much rather Matthews, Solly or Dijksteel - but as we don’t have that option I think he’s worth a shot
You literally said “For me he’s our starting RB all season”. Now your saying you’d rather Dijksteel even though Sarpong is better? Where’s that shovel...
I’m going to try and help Elliott out here. I think he is saying that wirdu is currently our best option and rates him but would rather have solly, Matthews or dijksteel
while the salary gap is a good idea it has to be through the leagues or at least the EFL.
All that will happen is that a big gap of quality will occur between league 1 and the championship.
I think the gap between all the league's is quite big now, the 3 teams promoted from our promotion season all ended up in or close to the bottom as in the Premiership as well
It is bizarre to have a cap fixed in £ rather than a % of turnover. Gives clubs no incentive to grow their turnover except for personal profit for their owners. Also surely means all youth players will be spirited away to PL or Championship.
Surely must make us even less appealing for a rich owner whos firepower would make no difference to our ability to out compete say Rochdale or similar.
As others have said it will make the gap between L1 and Championship enormous... Is it the pre curser to PL2 I wonder?
while the salary gap is a good idea it has to be through the leagues or at least the EFL.
All that will happen is that a big gap of quality will occur between league 1 and the championship.
I think the gap between all the league's is quite big now, the 3 teams promoted from our promotion season all ended up in or close to the bottom as in the Premiership as well
It will become even bigger if you allow smaller sides an equal chance of promotion, which is what this salary gap does. I am all for protecting clubs from over spending but in the future if Sunderland get an average of 39,000 supporters over a season why should they be limited to the same spend as a side that might only get 2,000? I think a proportion of income is far fairer, say 60%.
The only people it really benefits is the smaller sides that naturally have less budget, it is like asking Tyson Fury to fight one handed to give other boxers a chance.
A RB that sat on Colchester’s bench better than one that we sold for 1m + (I think) and is currently a championship player
That’s not the smartest thing I’ve ever heard.
He’s a CM, not a RB.
Alfie Doughty was sat on Bromley’s bench last season, that means absolutely nothing.
It was 2m I believe, and he can hardly get a kick. Their academy product Djed Spence is already a better player and keeps him out of the team.
But your calling for him to be our first choice RB?
I’m not calling for him to be our RB - I’m saying in a season where we are under a transfer embargo, likely losing key players and at risk of expulsion from the league, it would be a decent option.
I’d much rather Matthews, Solly or Dijksteel - but as we don’t have that option I think he’s worth a shot
You literally said “For me he’s our starting RB all season”. Now your saying you’d rather Dijksteel even though Sarpong is better? Where’s that shovel...
What part of this are you finding difficult?
I’m talking about a youngster with a high ceiling who is able to fill a gap. I’m not saying he’s better than Dijksteel right now, I’m saying he has all the attributes to surpass Dijksteel.
If we weren’t run by charlatans then we wouldn’t need to consider this.
Penalties have been agreed for clubs who exceed the cap by up to 5%, with fines rising to £3 for every £1 of overspend. Money collected will be redistributed among clubs who have stayed within the rules. A disciplinary commission will deal with clubs who break the cap by more than 5%.
The salary cap means League 1 clubs can pay new signings £2k per week, but we’re restricted to £1.3k under our embargo.
That includes loans but excludes players under 21.
Last week we missed out on Doncaster winger Kieran Sadlier after he signed for Rotherham. He was Doncaster’s top scorer last season.
Which of the League 1 & League 2 teams agreed to this...? Was it a simple majority vote or a 2/3rd majority needed. Cant see how any experienced players will sign for any decent League 1 teams like Sunderland, Pompey, Ipswich etc if you can only pay £1300 a week.
The salary cap means League 1 clubs can pay new signings £2k per week, but we’re restricted to £1.3k under our embargo.
That includes loans but excludes players under 21.
Last week we missed out on Doncaster winger Kieran Sadlier after he signed for Rotherham. He was Doncaster’s top scorer last season.
Which of the League 1 & League 2 teams agreed to this...? Was it a simple majority vote or a 2/3rd majority needed. Cant see how any experienced players will sign for any decent League 1 teams like Sunderland, Pompey, Ipswich etc if you can only pay £1300 a week.
According to the Guardian link I posted...
League 1: 16 in favour, 7 against, 1 didn’t vote League 2: 22 in favour, 2 against
One question i do have on the salary cap - If you sell a player for 5m for example, can that 5m be used on other players?
Don't believe so, seems like this hasn't been thought through. It will mean though I expect a lot of out of contract players having to take a big pay cut to stay in football. Championship sides won't sign everyone. Likes of Matthews, Sarr are examples of one's who might suffer if they can't get a championship club.
Another point is that teams that are relegated from championship with players out of contract have a very slim chance of keeping them.
See us with Matthews, Sarr and Lockyer.
Why would Phillips and Alfie sign a contract now as well.
You can see now why Williams, Amos and JFC wanted to take the option up. They did not want the risk of not getting a championship club and having to agree a lower salary cap league one wage with another team.
Another point is that teams that are relegated from championship with players out of contract have a very slim chance of keeping them.
Which is both good and bad for the relegated side, bouncing back becomes more difficult, but finances at the club are more protected.
In some way yes but with Phillips and Alfie they may normally be happy to agree new deals with us with a minimum release clause. Now they might as well run down the contract and see where we are next year and we lose money.
Currently it is commonplace in contracts to see a c.25% pay rise when promoted to the Championship. I can see that becoming 200-500% as standard going forward which will just become another absolutely mental thing.
The only way a salary cap works is if it is as a % of turnover, you cannot just level the playing field by enforcing a £ cap. If it is enforced you will see a lot of huge clubs slipping down the pyramid into oblivion. It must also be applied from the top down. the fact that the worst teams in the championship can pay 7 times the salary of the top league ones clubs and still be within the budget is an absolute joke.
it is also incredibly unfair on London based clubs, £100K a year does not get you very fair at all compared to the same salary up north.
Yet another example of the EFL being completely unfit for purpose.
A RB that sat on Colchester’s bench better than one that we sold for 1m + (I think) and is currently a championship player
That’s not the smartest thing I’ve ever heard.
He’s a CM, not a RB.
Alfie Doughty was sat on Bromley’s bench last season, that means absolutely nothing.
It was 2m I believe, and he can hardly get a kick. Their academy product Djed Spence is already a better player and keeps him out of the team.
But your calling for him to be our first choice RB?
I’m not calling for him to be our RB - I’m saying in a season where we are under a transfer embargo, likely losing key players and at risk of expulsion from the league, it would be a decent option.
I’d much rather Matthews, Solly or Dijksteel - but as we don’t have that option I think he’s worth a shot
You literally said “For me he’s our starting RB all season”. Now your saying you’d rather Dijksteel even though Sarpong is better? Where’s that shovel...
What part of this are you finding difficult?
I’m talking about a youngster with a high ceiling who is able to fill a gap. I’m not saying he’s better than Dijksteel right now, I’m saying he has all the attributes to surpass Dijksteel.
If we weren’t run by charlatans then we wouldn’t need to consider this.
Ok calm down. Let’s just hope he has a decent job. I’m sure we’ll be targeting a RB anyway, Gallen pretty much confirmed it the other day.
The current cap set up seems overly restrictive but any exemptions given for turnover/owner wealth will be exploited ruthlessly, making the whole system pointless. It's a genuine quandary.
Currently it is commonplace in contracts to see a c.25% pay rise when promoted to the Championship. I can see that becoming 200-500% as standard going forward which will just become another absolutely mental thing.
The only way a salary cap works is if it is as a % of turnover, you cannot just level the playing field by enforcing a £ cap. If it is enforced you will see a lot of huge clubs slipping down the pyramid into oblivion. It must also be applied from the top down. the fact that the worst teams in the championship can pay 7 times the salary of the top league ones clubs and still be within the budget is an absolute joke.
it is also incredibly unfair on London based clubs, £100K a year does not get you very fair at all compared to the same salary up north.
Yet another example of the EFL being completely unfit for purpose.
Good point. It encourages teams in the championship to offer longer term contracts on good terms which is not healthy.
This then means when they comes down they have a massive advantage over other teams and odds stacked they go straight back up and if they dont they are bang in trouble.
The salary cap of £2.5m for League 1 clubs is even more ridiculous when you consider it has to cover
- Basic Wages - Taxes - Bonuses - Image rights - Agents’ fees - Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players
To keep within the cap, you either maintain a small squad or pay about £1500 a week.
Be prepared to watch the youngsters every Saturday from now on. This is going to have an effect on all levels, IMHO. The premiership clubs are going to be stuck with excess kids on their books because the lower league clubs won’t be able to afford to loan ... Utter madness
Does it also restrict you offering an out of contract U24 their same wage again if currently on more... Which clubs do to ensure another club has to pay them to take the player off them under EPPP rules?
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That includes loans but excludes players under 21.
Last week we missed out on Doncaster winger Kieran Sadlier after he signed for Rotherham. He was Doncaster’s top scorer last season.
All that will happen is that a big gap of quality will occur between league 1 and the championship.
Surely must make us even less appealing for a rich owner whos firepower would make no difference to our ability to out compete say Rochdale or similar.
As others have said it will make the gap between L1 and Championship enormous... Is it the pre curser to PL2 I wonder?
I'm all for Salary Caps but this one does seem a bit ridiculous
The only people it really benefits is the smaller sides that naturally have less budget, it is like asking Tyson Fury to fight one handed to give other boxers a chance.
It's far too strict, limit to 4k a week at this level surely.
£2k a week is the equivalent of £104k a year, is it worth being a footballer at that salary level?
League 1: 16 in favour, 7 against, 1 didn’t vote
League 2: 22 in favour, 2 against
See us with Matthews, Sarr and Lockyer.
Why would Phillips and Alfie sign a contract now as well.
You can see now why Williams, Amos and JFC wanted to take the option up. They did not want the risk of not getting a championship club and having to agree a lower salary cap league one wage with another team.
The only way a salary cap works is if it is as a % of turnover, you cannot just level the playing field by enforcing a £ cap. If it is enforced you will see a lot of huge clubs slipping down the pyramid into oblivion. It must also be applied from the top down. the fact that the worst teams in the championship can pay 7 times the salary of the top league ones clubs and still be within the budget is an absolute joke.
it is also incredibly unfair on London based clubs, £100K a year does not get you very fair at all compared to the same salary up north.
Yet another example of the EFL being completely unfit for purpose.
This then means when they comes down they have a massive advantage over other teams and odds stacked they go straight back up and if they dont they are bang in trouble.
It encourages a shit or bust approach from above.
- Basic Wages
- Taxes
- Bonuses
- Image rights
- Agents’ fees
- Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players
To keep within the cap, you either maintain a small squad or pay about £1500 a week.