I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
So wonderful ... ALWAYS gets me .... that wave of hope after so many years of garbage, and @golfaddick you're right, the team got stripped, Roland had his last swipe at us and we just couldn't not conceded in the last few minutes of games and ultimately we went under.
Will the post event happenings of this moment eventually lead to something positive for Charlton, I certainly hope so.
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Could say the same about the previous final. We went up for one year only and Sunderland even went past us but we built on that win and hopefully the same will happen if not this year then next
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Could say the same about the previous final. We went up for one year only and Sunderland even went past us but we built on that win and hopefully the same will happen if not this year then next
I think the situations are different. That one first season in the Premiership gave us a pot of cash, a bunch of new/returning fans, a tidy profit on Danny Mills (allowing us to keep other players and buy Deano). If you lined up the 97-98 and 99-00 teams against each other, firstly many of the key players would be the same, and secondly with Deano, SCP, Stuart, Hunt etc the 99-00 has clearly improved.
Now do the same with 18-19 and 20-21. Surely you'd take Bauer, Sarr, Cullen, Aribo, Bielik, (hiss) Taylor over their current counterparts? We have regressed, but hopefully not for long...
After our 98 play off final win in the following 19 seasons Sunderland had 4 seasons in the 2nd tier of which 3 of them they went up as Champions and 1 was losing play off semi final intermittent with 15 seasons of Premiership football . they then had back to back relegations and are now in their 3rd consecutive season of league one they may have lost the play off battles but history shows they got much the better of it afterwards.
After 98 we got relegated strengthened and went straight back up as champions and then had 7 prem seasons followed by 2 in the championship and then the shamefulness and the shittiest of Charlton periods with 7 out of the next 12 spent in the 3rd tier
let’s hope Thomas can turn this sinking ship of shit around
Kind regards Golfies slightly more positive Charlton brother
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Could say the same about the previous final. We went up for one year only and Sunderland even went past us but we built on that win and hopefully the same will happen if not this year then next
I think the situations are different. That one first season in the Premiership gave us a pot of cash, a bunch of new/returning fans, a tidy profit on Danny Mills (allowing us to keep other players and buy Deano). If you lined up the 97-98 and 99-00 teams against each other, firstly many of the key players would be the same, and secondly with Deano, SCP, Stuart, Hunt etc the 99-00 has clearly improved.
Now do the same with 18-19 and 20-21. Surely you'd take Bauer, Sarr, Cullen, Aribo, Bielik, (hiss) Taylor over their current counterparts? We have regressed, but hopefully not for long...
Absolutely.
However, we are then reminded how much those lot underperformed, especially as we're in touching distance of the playoffs again this season when this lot have underachieved.
Agree that this final is slightly tainted due to what happened the following season. But theres also an argument that getting promoted got us a tiny bit more sportlight then we might otherwise have had, and that eventually led to getting TS as an owner and I dont think we could have wished for a better one.
Worse in league position (although the season isnt over), but it terms of general health of the club and future outlook, much much better.
....bloody Brentford though. Just one poxy point against Barnsley was too much to ask for???
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Its certainly bitter sweet for me as it does just make me think what a horrible missed opportunity. Imagine if we had kept that squad together and with a small investment in the right areas we really could have powered on with real momentum. Imagine if we didn't have the thundercunt as owner and then the conman and fake Sheik.
But then I just think back to how amazing the day was. Infact that whole month was amazing, the run we went on at the end of the season, the atmosphere about the place, the 2 semi's, the sold out valley, the sold out allocation at Wembley, the night out after, going back to Streatham (firmly Palarse territory) at 3:30am and seeing other people in Charlton shirts! Just truly incredible
JJ Moons before the game was amazing. A large pub full of Charlton, Id never experienced that before. Lots of drink and chants, its the reason I was a tad drunk during the game!
Don't get what's bittersweet about it at all personally. Even if we did go down the year after I won't forget the day at Wembley or the play-off semi's vs Doncaster any time soon. It was a brilliant time on the pitch and in the stands in what was a horribly sour time for the club and fans as a whole.
Football isn't just about the position the team finishes or we'd all be on a very different teams forum, the experiences that come along with it (the highs and also the lows) are all part of the game. Don't understand how the disappointing next season takes away from the mayhem at 90+4.
I'll remember the train back north after the game, giddy all the way, watching all the clips on my phone of the game, of the team celebrating in the back, the fans in the ground going full limbs, before I think about the disappointment of the season after and the ownership saga.
Still gives me chills watching it now. Think it always will. Hopefully we have more moments like Wembley than like last season moving forwards of course but nothing wrong with revelling in the joy of those moments as that's what keeps us coming back. COYR
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Harsh, but I do sort of agree
The playoff final was a wonderful day, but it's not like winning a cup competition, which will be forever yours whatever happens in subsequent seasons, as at the end of the day playoffs are just a means of deciding the final promotion place. They're not a separate competition like the FA Cup, EFL Cup or even the Pizza Cup.
And it's not as if bringing us up to the Championship took us somewhere special (as with say Wycombe winning the playoffs last year or even with the 1998 win), the Championship is our natural level anyway
And looking at the playoff team is a reminder of how badly it fell apart afterwards, seeing that of the 18, only 4 players are left
Reminds me of a chat with Jon Fortune. A few of us Sha-la-la'd him and he grimaced a bit. Then candidly told us it was because of what eventually transpired with Dowie etc.
But sorry, as a fan, that goal in that match at that time was what it was all about. Same as Wembley 2019. You live for those moments. No matter what comes after.
Watching the last 15 seconds of that never fails to get me. Takes me straight back there, like everyone else with a pulse in our end I went utterly mental when Bauer poked the ball home (I thought it was Pearce at the time) but it was who I was going mental with, usually its me and my pals all hugging each other and grabbing balls, this time it was with my dad, my wife and my brother which is what those occasions are about.
Also the genuine pleasure of seeing the regular faces out of our normal group dynamic, it was great at halftime to see @AFKABartram his little boy and dad which enabled the pair of us to do what we normally do at halftime and have a surprisingly intelligent discussion about the 45 minutes we had just seen. I had been boycotting for a loooong time but watching more games than I usually would on moody streams and felt we were edging it on points, I was delighted Power had to go off which I think really affected Sunderland as one of their main men and affected their shape and I was concerned Prattley was going to get sent off as he was so amped up.
The clip that gets me most is the one with the titanic music overlaid with Greg and Terrys commentary and the pair of them crying like the gigantic manbabies they both are (and like the rest of us!)
I think too much is being made of this. Yeah great at the time but what did it actually achieve.....?? Very little I would say. 1 season in the Championship, which led to a set of dodgy owners & another bunch of chances who nearly succeeded in making us go bust.
Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
I'm 45. In my life time we have been to Wembley 3 times. Full Members cup defeat, 98 and this one. Not sure it is possible to make too much of a game at Wembley let alone a win in the last minute. Wonderful day and it sucked my boy into Charlton for life. Does not matter what came after, that day will always be treasured.
Watching the last 15 seconds of that never fails to get me. Takes me straight back there, like everyone else with a pulse in our end I went utterly mental when Bauer poked the ball home (I thought it was Pearce at the time) but it was who I was going mental with, usually its me and my pals all hugging each other and grabbing balls, this time it was with my dad, my wife and my brother which is what those occasions are about.
Also the genuine pleasure of seeing the regular faces out of our normal group dynamic, it was great at halftime to see @AFKABartram his little boy and dad which enabled the pair of us to do what we normally do at halftime and have a surprisingly intelligent discussion about the 45 minutes we had just seen. I had been boycotting for a loooong time but watching more games than I usually would on moody streams and felt we were edging it on points, I was delighted Power had to go off which I think really affected Sunderland as one of their main men and affected their shape and I was concerned Prattley was going to get sent off as he was so amped up.
The clip that gets me most is the one with the titanic music overlaid with Greg and Terrys commentary and the pair of them crying like the gigantic manbabies they both are (and like the rest of us!)
The main thing that gets me about that video now, apart from the fact I love it, is how few of the people in the video are actually still associated with Charlton. There's Purrington and Pearce, but other than that pretty much all the players celebrating have left. I really want that to change, I know that teams move around a fair bit in the lower leagues but it would nice to have a few years of continuity from our core players again
The main thing that gets me about that video now, apart from the fact I love it, is how few of the people in the video are actually still associated with Charlton. There's Purrington and Pearce, but other than that pretty much all the players celebrating have left. I really want that to change, I know that teams move around a fair bit in the lower leagues but it would nice to have a few years of continuity from our core players again
I know......they all celebrated getting promoted & then half of them left a few weeks later - notably the bloke who scored the last minute winner !!
It was a great day out and great end to the season but in comparison to the 98 final and what it enabled the club to do, it is relatively insignificant
It was a great day out and great end to the season but in comparison to the 98 final and what it enabled the club to do, it is relatively insignificant
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Now, if we had managed to stay up last season & consolidated our position this season then great....job done. But we are worse off than we were 2 sessions ago. Some bloody achievement that.
Will the post event happenings of this moment eventually lead to something positive for Charlton, I certainly hope so.
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That's a bit out of character, Golfie.
Now do the same with 18-19 and 20-21. Surely you'd take Bauer, Sarr, Cullen, Aribo, Bielik, (hiss) Taylor over their current counterparts? We have regressed, but hopefully not for long...
they then had back to back relegations and are now in their 3rd consecutive season of league one
they may have lost the play off battles but history shows they got much the better of it afterwards.
let’s hope Thomas can turn this sinking ship of shit around
Kind regards
Golfies slightly more positive Charlton brother
However, we are then reminded how much those lot underperformed, especially as we're in touching distance of the playoffs again this season when this lot have underachieved.
Worse in league position (although the season isnt over), but it terms of general health of the club and future outlook, much much better.
....bloody Brentford though. Just one poxy point against Barnsley was too much to ask for???
But then I just think back to how amazing the day was. Infact that whole month was amazing, the run we went on at the end of the season, the atmosphere about the place, the 2 semi's, the sold out valley, the sold out allocation at Wembley, the night out after, going back to Streatham (firmly Palarse territory) at 3:30am and seeing other people in Charlton shirts! Just truly incredible
Football isn't just about the position the team finishes or we'd all be on a very different teams forum, the experiences that come along with it (the highs and also the lows) are all part of the game. Don't understand how the disappointing next season takes away from the mayhem at 90+4.
I'll remember the train back north after the game, giddy all the way, watching all the clips on my phone of the game, of the team celebrating in the back, the fans in the ground going full limbs, before I think about the disappointment of the season after and the ownership saga.
Still gives me chills watching it now. Think it always will. Hopefully we have more moments like Wembley than like last season moving forwards of course but nothing wrong with revelling in the joy of those moments as that's what keeps us coming back. COYR
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
.....,.........runs out of breath.
(Bloody spoilsport)
The playoff final was a wonderful day, but it's not like winning a cup competition, which will be forever yours whatever happens in subsequent seasons, as at the end of the day playoffs are just a means of deciding the final promotion place. They're not a separate competition like the FA Cup, EFL Cup or even the Pizza Cup.
And it's not as if bringing us up to the Championship took us somewhere special (as with say Wycombe winning the playoffs last year or even with the 1998 win), the Championship is our natural level anyway
And looking at the playoff team is a reminder of how badly it fell apart afterwards, seeing that of the 18, only 4 players are left
Can you not just try to enjoy things?
Man’s an attention seeking cretin.
But sorry, as a fan, that goal in that match at that time was what it was all about. Same as Wembley 2019. You live for those moments. No matter what comes after.
Also the genuine pleasure of seeing the regular faces out of our normal group dynamic, it was great at halftime to see @AFKABartram his little boy and dad which enabled the pair of us to do what we normally do at halftime and have a surprisingly intelligent discussion about the 45 minutes we had just seen. I had been boycotting for a loooong time but watching more games than I usually would on moody streams and felt we were edging it on points, I was delighted Power had to go off which I think really affected Sunderland as one of their main men and affected their shape and I was concerned Prattley was going to get sent off as he was so amped up.
The clip that gets me most is the one with the titanic music overlaid with Greg and Terrys commentary and the pair of them crying like the gigantic manbabies they both are (and like the rest of us!)
I'm 45. In my life time we have been to Wembley 3 times. Full Members cup defeat, 98 and this one. Not sure it is possible to make too much of a game at Wembley let alone a win in the last minute. Wonderful day and it sucked my boy into Charlton for life. Does not matter what came after, that day will always be treasured.