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  • Ignore last post it wasn't meant for here.

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  • As soon as Novak missing that chance that my mother in law would have buried I knew for a fact we wasn't going to win
  • DaSilva looks like one of those RD signings where the manager doesn't actually want him. It kind of smacks of "here you go" when we sold Lookman, but surely if Robinson wanted him he would be playing him now.

    Just watched the one minute of Sky "highlights", and the sending off of Elliot is a joke decision.

    Joke in what way?
    Didnt see his goal as didnt see most things, but one thing i did see as it was parallel to me, was when he took tex out with his elbow ref bottle as usual.... They dont seem to bottle though when its our players though.
    So his not being sent off for the elbow is a joke, but then what about his being sent off for two valid yellows is a joke?
    What on earth you going on about.
  • Absolutely xxxxing correct. Roland has the money to invest in success but would rather follow his model to build another entertainment centre with a bit of football on the side. He doesn't want CAFC to a major team and cannot understand the love we have for the traditions of CAFC. Trouble is he will only go when it suits him.
  • Essex_Al said:

    se9addick said:

    JamesSeed said:

    J BLOCK said:

    Was in the home end - can't remember watching two teams that bloody bad - Christ it was Sunday league

    Aerial bombardment by Wimbledon. Wouldn't pay to watch that week in week out.

    Novak missed an open goal and failed to lob the keeper in the first half. Watt had a screamer well saved. We should have gone two up. Sorry, but Novak isn't really good enough. Josh needs another game.

    @se9addick Hold on, Wimbledon have apologised and said action will be taken against the groundsman.

    He brought on Botaka and Mavididi in attempt to stop an all out attack by Wimbledon. Both provided a threat, with their pace.
    Watt had an excellent game, but was tiring. Not sure about Holmes. Would have left him on.
    Gutted.
    @JamesSeed had they made that statement before I'd made my comments ? If so then I should have included it (I genuinely didn't know they had issued a statement on their groundsmans behaviour).
    Perhaps you shouldn't slag off the manager without knowing the facts then!

    If what I have been told was said to KR about his wife is true then the grounds man deserved a very big slap!
    He was still unprofessional by reacting as he did, whilst not excusing the behaviour of the groundsman.
  • Ignore last post it wasn't meant for here.

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    It does not surprise me............
  • Spot on @WestCountryAddick . Same old same old.
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  • DaSilva looks like one of those RD signings where the manager doesn't actually want him. It kind of smacks of "here you go" when we sold Lookman, but surely if Robinson wanted him he would be playing him now.

    Just watched the one minute of Sky "highlights", and the sending off of Elliot is a joke decision.

    Joke in what way?
    Didnt see his goal as didnt see most things, but one thing i did see as it was parallel to me, was when he took tex out with his elbow ref bottle as usual.... They dont seem to bottle though when its our players though.
    So his not being sent off for the elbow is a joke, but then what about his being sent off for two valid yellows is a joke?
    What on earth you going on about.
    @Chippycafc EveshamAddick says Elliot's sending off is a joke. I ask why. You mention the ref bottling it for his elbow on Tex. If that's meant as an answer to my original question, I'm asking why this makes his actual sending off a joke? That's what I'm going on about.
  • Essex_Al said:

    Shite performance
    Shite result
    Shite season
    And yes i was there.
    This club is dying on it's feet, until we get new owners weare destined to be a league one joke of a club
    Fuck of Roland

    I wonder if Essex Al shares your view of today, @blackpool72 ...

    TBH, listening to the commentary, it sounded on the whole as though we had a lot of possession, scorned a couple of very good opportunities to score and paid the price.

    Although, in the 2nd half the Dons appeared to come out with a vengeance and continued in that vein for much of the 45 and we didn't do enough to deserve all 3 points.

    So, what's new ?
    Not quite sure why you felt the need to mention me in your post?

    I might not agree with most things on here, but when it comes to the team, if they are shite, I'm quite happy to say so!

    I haven't made any comment because I was working yesterday and therefore couldn't make the game, but it's very interesting to see how quickly people on here are turning on KR already!
    Wait until charlton start winning regularly, they'll hate his guts then.
    When is that going to be then? We've had 3 years of pro-regime fans saying wait until next season, wait until January, give the new manager a chance, Roland will invest this window, there's still time, we aren't going down, we'll bounce back etc etc. When is it all going to click? How much longer do we need to wait? Surely 3 years is long enough to at least get some solid foundations in place?

    From what I can see we have a failed transfer policy that hasn't changed since these people took over. We have a squad in which a large number of the players have been shipped out on loan or paid off because we can't get rid of them any other way. In return we get a couple of half decent players for the division but the majority of the squad is made up of players that aren't quite good enough and bolstered with a few loan players that can't get a game anywhere better and a few more youngsters that given enough games might generate a few more quid in transfer income during the next window.

    The club is going nowhere with this lot in charge. Sure they've hired a couple of English managers, both of which have picked up pretty average results (unsurprising because they are both pretty average managers), and we have a bunch of players who are either underachieving or are of a level that is below what the club have told us they are aiming for. We sell our young stars every season and the money disappears into the ether because we are in so much debt to the very people who have been wasting all of our money.

    I'm bored with this crap. I'm tired of hearing excuses from both pro-regime fans and from successive managers. I hate going to watch games where we are outfought and out-muscled by teams we should be beating comprehensively. I hate that our club is a basket case and that the majority of the news we get is negative in many ways because it's either about our crazy ass owner or his ridiculous CEO. Even the news we hear about protesting fans has negative connotations, because whilst the protests are organised for the right reasons, they wouldn't be necessary at all if everything was fine and dandy.

    It seems that the pro-regime camp can see what the rest of us cannot, yet they have no evidence to support it or cannot articulate exactly what it is that gives them such a positive outlook on the future successes of the club under it's current management.

    So I ask again, WHEN are we going to start to see something positive happen under this regime? Because I'm sick to the back teeth with it all.
    You forgot to mention fourteen chips.
  • wasnt at the game so from what ive read 2 points dropped. sounds like karl lost his head at the end and the wimbledon fans needed a kicking.
  • Essex_Al said:

    Shite performance
    Shite result
    Shite season
    And yes i was there.
    This club is dying on it's feet, until we get new owners weare destined to be a league one joke of a club
    Fuck of Roland

    I wonder if Essex Al shares your view of today, @blackpool72 ...

    TBH, listening to the commentary, it sounded on the whole as though we had a lot of possession, scorned a couple of very good opportunities to score and paid the price.

    Although, in the 2nd half the Dons appeared to come out with a vengeance and continued in that vein for much of the 45 and we didn't do enough to deserve all 3 points.

    So, what's new ?
    Not quite sure why you felt the need to mention me in your post?

    I might not agree with most things on here, but when it comes to the team, if they are shite, I'm quite happy to say so!

    I haven't made any comment because I was working yesterday and therefore couldn't make the game, but it's very interesting to see how quickly people on here are turning on KR already!
    Wait until charlton start winning regularly, they'll hate his guts then.
    When is that going to be then? We've had 3 years of pro-regime fans saying wait until next season, wait until January, give the new manager a chance, Roland will invest this window, there's still time, we aren't going down, we'll bounce back etc etc. When is it all going to click? How much longer do we need to wait? Surely 3 years is long enough to at least get some solid foundations in place?

    From what I can see we have a failed transfer policy that hasn't changed since these people took over. We have a squad in which a large number of the players have been shipped out on loan or paid off because we can't get rid of them any other way. In return we get a couple of half decent players for the division but the majority of the squad is made up of players that aren't quite good enough and bolstered with a few loan players that can't get a game anywhere better and a few more youngsters that given enough games might generate a few more quid in transfer income during the next window.

    The club is going nowhere with this lot in charge. Sure they've hired a couple of English managers, both of which have picked up pretty average results (unsurprising because they are both pretty average managers), and we have a bunch of players who are either underachieving or are of a level that is below what the club have told us they are aiming for. We sell our young stars every season and the money disappears into the ether because we are in so much debt to the very people who have been wasting all of our money.

    I'm bored with this crap. I'm tired of hearing excuses from both pro-regime fans and from successive managers. I hate going to watch games where we are outfought and out-muscled by teams we should be beating comprehensively. I hate that our club is a basket case and that the majority of the news we get is negative in many ways because it's either about our crazy ass owner or his ridiculous CEO. Even the news we hear about protesting fans has negative connotations, because whilst the protests are organised for the right reasons, they wouldn't be necessary at all if everything was fine and dandy.

    It seems that the pro-regime camp can see what the rest of us cannot, yet they have no evidence to support it or cannot articulate exactly what it is that gives them such a positive outlook on the future successes of the club under it's current management.

    So I ask again, WHEN are we going to start to see something positive happen under this regime? Because I'm sick to the back teeth with it all.
    You forgot to mention fourteen chips.
    We played Burnley last year who just drew with the team top of the Prem.

    We have just played 2 teams who were not even in the Football League 6 years ago and failed to beat either of them.

    Nothing positive is happening!!
  • DaSilva looks like one of those RD signings where the manager doesn't actually want him. It kind of smacks of "here you go" when we sold Lookman, but surely if Robinson wanted him he would be playing him now.

    Just watched the one minute of Sky "highlights", and the sending off of Elliot is a joke decision.

    Joke in what way?
    Didnt see his goal as didnt see most things, but one thing i did see as it was parallel to me, was when he took tex out with his elbow ref bottle as usual.... They dont seem to bottle though when its our players though.
    So his not being sent off for the elbow is a joke, but then what about his being sent off for two valid yellows is a joke?
    What on earth you going on about.
    @Chippycafc EveshamAddick says Elliot's sending off is a joke. I ask why. You mention the ref bottling it for his elbow on Tex. If that's meant as an answer to my original question, I'm asking why this makes his actual sending off a joke? That's what I'm going on about.
    Still havent the foggiest. I was making a general statement about the ref not to anyone else.
  • Kap10 said:

    masicat said:

    Unlucky two weeks running. Hopefully it will even itself out between now and the end of the season. I still predict we don't get beaten again this season, but we need a series of wins. We also need Watt to score. I'm staying positive, managers and players are now celebrating drawing with us, so things must be on the up. Out of us and `Millwall for that 6th place.

    I think Millwall will finish above 6th to be honest. They always finish the season strong and had a good window bringing in Jed Wallace and losing no key players.

    More hope of catching Bradford (who like us could be held back from going up due to an inability to score enough goals) & stuttering Fleetwood (who've drawn the last 3).

    Problem is we're 10/11 points off the above teams already so obviously need wins. Anything less than 4 wins in our next 5 Feb games against Oldham, Rochdale, Oxford, Bury & Shrewsbury and it'll be too late......season finishes early in April this year.
    Basically we need to average two points a game to have a reasonable shot at sixth (with 74 points). Yesterday took us below that from the seven games since Christmas (13 points), but a win at Oldham will put us back there, and four points to follow from Rochdale and Oxford would keep us there.

    It gets very difficult if we lose a few matches and since the two point average now leaves no margin for error later, we really need to reel off a sequence of three or four wins sooner rather than later. There isn't going to be a better opportunity, even though four of the next six matches are away.
    2 pts per game would probably be enough in a league where nobody, aside from the top 2, show any real consistency, but that's a nasty sequence of games: Rochdale, Oxford, Scunny, Bradford and Sheffield Utd - by the time the ref blows the final whistle at Bramall Lane on March 18th we'll have a better idea of just how competitive the team is. At least the run in sees us play clubs in the bottom 6 or 7, and Coventry, and even Chesterfield, might already be gone by then.
    But it's not just the points we are relying on a number of teams to lose form and us to leap frog them. I'll believe we can do it till we can't but ......
    Not really. We're just relying on them to perform to the mean, which isn't two points per game - we just need them to carry on doing what they have been doing to date. For example, Millwall have 47 points from 30 games, which is a bit more than 1.5 points per game but well under two. If they carry on at that rate they will pick up 72 in total. If Charlton add 34 from 17 they will have 75.

    Now I think Millwall may do better than that and Fleetwood worse (or they would get 76), but we don't generally need a decline in other teams' form. We need an improvement in ours without a corresponding improvement in others'.

    That's not a prediction, BTW, it's just the maths!

    Lies, damned lies and statistics .. its people like you that torture us by keeping the hope going :smiley:
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  • edited February 2017
    A few of observations about the game having watched the highlights (also attended the match).
    1. Stupidly I feel sorry for Novak. It was a big opportunity for him today and he blew it. The first chance (see pic) was even easier that it looked at the time. Two good chances and he didn't even test the keeper.
    2. Brilliant pass by Tex for Novak's first chance.
    3. The second chance wasn't quite an open goal, but Watt (just out of shot to the left in picture two, in front the goal) and Aribo were on hand if there had been a block or a partial save. To miss the target was pretty unforgivable.
    3. Speaking of Aribo, he also missed the target when clean through on goal. Tried to curl it. Not enough curl.
    4. Chicken gives away too many free kicks through holding.
    5. We don't hold on to the ball well enough when under pressure.
  • Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
  • Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
    I just love your positivity.

    I have been saying for 3 years "let's do it", "let's do it", but nothing happens; I must be using the wrong password (the world is governed, these days, by passwords, it seems).

    Do you fancy a small wager with me that we wont finish in the top 6? Nothing heavy, just a donation to our favourite charities (I financially support A native American School each month) or if I win, you could, alternatively, send your losing stake to CARD, to which I subscribe financially on a regular basis. Your call.
  • Essex_Al said:

    Shite performance
    Shite result
    Shite season
    And yes i was there.
    This club is dying on it's feet, until we get new owners weare destined to be a league one joke of a club
    Fuck of Roland

    I wonder if Essex Al shares your view of today, @blackpool72 ...

    TBH, listening to the commentary, it sounded on the whole as though we had a lot of possession, scorned a couple of very good opportunities to score and paid the price.

    Although, in the 2nd half the Dons appeared to come out with a vengeance and continued in that vein for much of the 45 and we didn't do enough to deserve all 3 points.

    So, what's new ?
    Not quite sure why you felt the need to mention me in your post?

    I might not agree with most things on here, but when it comes to the team, if they are shite, I'm quite happy to say so!

    I haven't made any comment because I was working yesterday and therefore couldn't make the game, but it's very interesting to see how quickly people on here are turning on KR already!
    Wait until charlton start winning regularly, they'll hate his guts then.
    When is that going to be then? We've had 3 years of pro-regime fans saying wait until next season, wait until January, give the new manager a chance, Roland will invest this window, there's still time, we aren't going down, we'll bounce back etc etc. When is it all going to click? How much longer do we need to wait? Surely 3 years is long enough to at least get some solid foundations in place?

    From what I can see we have a failed transfer policy that hasn't changed since these people took over. We have a squad in which a large number of the players have been shipped out on loan or paid off because we can't get rid of them any other way. In return we get a couple of half decent players for the division but the majority of the squad is made up of players that aren't quite good enough and bolstered with a few loan players that can't get a game anywhere better and a few more youngsters that given enough games might generate a few more quid in transfer income during the next window.

    The club is going nowhere with this lot in charge. Sure they've hired a couple of English managers, both of which have picked up pretty average results (unsurprising because they are both pretty average managers), and we have a bunch of players who are either underachieving or are of a level that is below what the club have told us they are aiming for. We sell our young stars every season and the money disappears into the ether because we are in so much debt to the very people who have been wasting all of our money.

    I'm bored with this crap. I'm tired of hearing excuses from both pro-regime fans and from successive managers. I hate going to watch games where we are outfought and out-muscled by teams we should be beating comprehensively. I hate that our club is a basket case and that the majority of the news we get is negative in many ways because it's either about our crazy ass owner or his ridiculous CEO. Even the news we hear about protesting fans has negative connotations, because whilst the protests are organised for the right reasons, they wouldn't be necessary at all if everything was fine and dandy.

    It seems that the pro-regime camp can see what the rest of us cannot, yet they have no evidence to support it or cannot articulate exactly what it is that gives them such a positive outlook on the future successes of the club under it's current management.

    So I ask again, WHEN are we going to start to see something positive happen under this regime? Because I'm sick to the back teeth with it all.
    Where's that head so I can smash this nail into it.

    This also extends to the ability of the squad. I feel too many are still discussing the squad's chances/abilities of making the play offs. We're not good enough
  • PeterGage said:

    Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
    I just love your positivity.

    I have been saying for 3 years "let's do it", "let's do it", but nothing happens; I must be using the wrong password (the world is governed, these days, by passwords, it seems).

    Do you fancy a small wager with me that we wont finish in the top 6? Nothing heavy, just a donation to our favourite charities (I financially support A native American School each month) or if I win, you could, alternatively, send your losing stake to CARD, to which I subscribe financially on a regular basis. Your call.
    That's something else a loser does, bets.
    and what does an idiot do, believe in the regime?

  • edited February 2017
    Croydon said:

    PeterGage said:

    Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
    I just love your positivity.

    I have been saying for 3 years "let's do it", "let's do it", but nothing happens; I must be using the wrong password (the world is governed, these days, by passwords, it seems).

    Do you fancy a small wager with me that we wont finish in the top 6? Nothing heavy, just a donation to our favourite charities (I financially support A native American School each month) or if I win, you could, alternatively, send your losing stake to CARD, to which I subscribe financially on a regular basis. Your call.
    That's something else a loser does, bets.
    and what does an idiot do, believe in the regime?

    An idiot supports a football team of course, everybody knows that
  • PeterGage said:

    Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
    I just love your positivity.

    I have been saying for 3 years "let's do it", "let's do it", but nothing happens; I must be using the wrong password (the world is governed, these days, by passwords, it seems).

    Do you fancy a small wager with me that we wont finish in the top 6? Nothing heavy, just a donation to our favourite charities (I financially support A native American School each month) or if I win, you could, alternatively, send your losing stake to CARD, to which I subscribe financially on a regular basis. Your call.
    That's something else a loser does, bets.
    A "loser" is surely only a "loser" if he loses such bets. As you seemingly think (and that is an inference on my part- I haven't checked your previous statements) you believe your own hype that they will finish in the top six then take up my bet, because by my definition you wont be a "loser". So, a straightforward question; are you going to take up my wager, yes or no (no other narrative is necessary...just "yes or no".

    I believe that the Protest Fund balance will be reduced by their financial input into the forthcoming Belgium trip. I am sure they would love to have financial input from "winners" such as you.

    So, "Yes" or "No" ???????
  • kr will never learn
    attack is the best form of defence
    once he took of holmes and watt we was doomed for a draw or loss
    at the end of the season when we finish maybee 10th or 11th his excuse will be he wasnt here from the start
    after 2 months of next season he to will be moved on and were back to square 1 talking again about tbe same shite this time next year
  • PeterGage said:

    PeterGage said:

    Too many people on here have unrealistic expectations or just want to use the results to bitch about the regime. There are teams no longer in the top four divisions that I do a double take at their names at how far they've fallen when I see them. Football is a tough, competitive game and, as hard as this may be for some people to fathom, beating every other team every week is rarely going to happen. We've just gone 7 (?) games unbeaten and we're starting to look like a team that could do some damage. Bitching because we are not quite there yet is pointless. A fit Homes and Magennis, Byrne back and I think we've got a team where scoring two or three goals a game and picking up all three points here on in will be realistic but even then this league is competitive enough that there will still be matches when we drop points. That's football.

    Unrealistic expectations? We were categorically told that we will have a top 6 budget and will be going all out for promotion this season. If I have any expectations it's that the club reach it's goal. Winning 9 games from 29 is NOT promotion form in any way. We have a mountain to climb if we are to have any hope of reaching the play offs, and whilst an optimist might say we can do it, a realist would say we have no chance.
    A Winner will say let's do it, a Loser will say we have no chance.
    I just love your positivity.

    I have been saying for 3 years "let's do it", "let's do it", but nothing happens; I must be using the wrong password (the world is governed, these days, by passwords, it seems).

    Do you fancy a small wager with me that we wont finish in the top 6? Nothing heavy, just a donation to our favourite charities (I financially support A native American School each month) or if I win, you could, alternatively, send your losing stake to CARD, to which I subscribe financially on a regular basis. Your call.
    That's something else a loser does, bets.
    A "loser" is surely only a "loser" if he loses such bets. As you seemingly think (and that is an inference on my part- I haven't checked your previous statements) you believe your own hype that they will finish in the top six then take up my bet, because by my definition you wont be a "loser". So, a straightforward question; are you going to take up my wager, yes or no (no other narrative is necessary...just "yes or no".

    I believe that the Protest Fund balance will be reduced by their financial input into the forthcoming Belgium trip. I am sure they would love to have financial input from "winners" such as you.

    So, "Yes" or "No" ???????

    Courage of your convictions, @letthegoodtimesroll ?
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