so basically back to the same old bollocks because it can't be proved that Hamer or Dervite were offered 'disgusting' contracts and that its an 'absolute disgrace', but hey, it does sound a lot more dramatic and fits in with the constant negative bull shit.
As I posted on the post match thread, I don't think we miss Hamer, Dervite or Wood. Henderson, Bikey and Ben Haim (plus Morrison and Gomez) look more than good enough for this division. And they want to wear our shirt. Our back five won't be the issue this season and hasn't been for three years because our academy supplies half the players and there are plenty of replacements available every summer. Different story upfront and it will take some serious scouting and cash to replace Poyet and Kermorgant. Katrien Meire has stated they are still looking for two more players in this window so let's see. I don't think anyone was offered a "disgusting" contract - some players like Jackson, Wiggins and Morrison chose to sign up for a few more years and some didn't. I'm not being smug after all of the signings over the summer but it was fairly obvious that M.Duchatelet wanted to bring in players who are either as good or better than those we have been watching for the last three seasons. Some people on here wanted to keep Powell and the whole squad together. It's nice to support familiar faces. But let's not forget that we were bottom six ALL season. With the exception of Poyet I can't see any of the departed players helping CAFC to become a top six club. Let's see how FFP is implemented at Christmas. If they are tight on the rules then Charlton is in a very good place because we haven't been paying silly money and the limits are coming down by £2M this year. We are way under the limits whereas perhaps 1/3 of the division are over budget or on the line. So they need to cut back or have a ban from registering players.
No one wanted to keep that squad not even SCP himself you fruit All this FFP stuff you keep going on about I have no real idea about but one minute we're "possibly" spending millions of euros on a few players and it's good but it doesn't seem to affect our FFP in your constant analysing
1) rumour has it we spent €3m on Vetokele - on a five year deal that's about 500k per annum - every other signing is a loan or was out of contract. Maybe we buy Delort for a big fee or maybe we loan a premier league striker? 2) given the Poyet settlement we are probably cash positive on transfer fees, unlike clubs like Bournemouth. And I suspect we will stay that way as we either get promoted or the likes of Vetokele is sold on. 3) I have no idea what the players are on but more than 20 (including loans) left this summer and they've brought in about ten senior players so why do you think the club is spending millions? 4) plenty of posters on this site have spent the last seven months moaning about losing players, assets etc. And attacking the new regime implicitly or explicitly. But those players weren't that good... Good enough to get us out of League 1 and keep us in the Championship but never good enough to challenge for the top six. I'm not going to dig anyone out on individual posts as life is too short. 4) FFP will change things but only if it is enforced. Take the highest payers out of the transfer game for 6 months and things change.
PS M. is for monsieur - just a little respect for someone who's spent more than £20m on our club already and has transformed it on and off the pitch. It's not going to be easy going all season but for half hour today in the second half the football was sweet. Imagine what this team will be like after 5-10 games?
As I posted on the post match thread, I don't think we miss Hamer, Dervite or Wood. Henderson, Bikey and Ben Haim (plus Morrison and Gomez) look more than good enough for this division. And they want to wear our shirt. Our back five won't be the issue this season and hasn't been for three years because our academy supplies half the players and there are plenty of replacements available every summer. Different story upfront and it will take some serious scouting and cash to replace Poyet and Kermorgant. Katrien Meire has stated they are still looking for two more players in this window so let's see. I don't think anyone was offered a "disgusting" contract - some players like Jackson, Wiggins and Morrison chose to sign up for a few more years and some didn't. I'm not being smug after all of the signings over the summer but it was fairly obvious that M.Duchatelet wanted to bring in players who are either as good or better than those we have been watching for the last three seasons. Some people on here wanted to keep Powell and the whole squad together. It's nice to support familiar faces. But let's not forget that we were bottom six ALL season. With the exception of Poyet I can't see any of the departed players helping CAFC to become a top six club. Let's see how FFP is implemented at Christmas. If they are tight on the rules then Charlton is in a very good place because we haven't been paying silly money and the limits are coming down by £2M this year. We are way under the limits whereas perhaps 1/3 of the division are over budget or on the line. So they need to cut back or have a ban from registering players.
Our academy has supplied half the players in the back five? Nonsense. Hamer, Alnwick, Button, Morrison, Wiggins, Dervite, Taylor, Cort, Evina and Wood are hardly academy products. Solly and Wilson are academy products sure. Fox, Gomez and Lennon have hardly played ten game between them though. Our academy does not in any way supply half the players; that's just factually untrue and you know it.
Fair challenge! Current squad we have Solly, Wilson, Fox and Gomez so four out of ten defenders/keepers and more coming through?
I agree Fox and Gomez haven't played much but Fox stepped up at the end of last season and everyone rates Gomez.
My overall point I've stated several times is that CAFC first team squad is now the sum of the academy + Liege loans + network scouted players. There are now only a handful of players left who were signed by Powell/ Jiminez/Slater. Whereas it used to be an army of players signed from other clubs (or on a free) topped up by the academy.
I think our academy is going to struggle to deliver players for the front six even when we get cat 1 status simply because London premier league clubs are tracking and recruiting/ poaching the best 7-15 year old kids. That isn't going to stop anytime soon so hopefully we fill the gaps from Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium and France (ligue 2)
Fair challenge! Current squad we have Solly, Wilson, Fox and Gomez so four out of ten defenders/keepers and more coming through?
I agree Fox and Gomez haven't played much but Fox stepped up at the end of last season and everyone rates Gomez.
My overall point I've stated several times is that CAFC first team squad is now the sum of the academy + Liege loans + network scouted players. There are now only a handful of players left who were signed by Powell/ Jiminez/Slater. Whereas it used to be an army of players signed from other clubs (or on a free) topped up by the academy.
I think our academy is going to struggle to deliver players for the front six even when we get cat 1 status simply because London premier league clubs are tracking and recruiting/ poaching the best 7-15 year old kids. That isn't going to stop anytime soon so hopefully we fill the gaps from Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium and France (ligue 2)
This claim that Wilson is Academy produced is pure spin. Yes was in our Academy but we gave him Away as the club deemed he was not good enough. 5 Managers later the club purchase for cash the same player. It's like claiming West Ham produced Defoe
We're now beginning to see what our owners are trying to do and Dorian Dervite is a good example. I liked him, but in truth he's an average player who under Chris Powell wasn't even a regular, First XI choice.
There was much concern and gnashing of teeth when he left because some saw it as a lack of willingness to spend money and further evidence that was Roland was destroying the Club, either deliberately or by default.
In reality, the owner was simply not willing to agree to the kind of long-term deal that Dervite wanted and Bolton were prepared to offer. Don't blame Dervite, but what needs to be understood is that Bolton are now committed to Dervite's wages for a three-year period. Meanwhile, in Tal Ben Haim and Andre Bikey, we've signed two very adequate replacements on one and two year deals, respectively, increasing flexibility, while we wait to see if Lennon and Gomez are capable of filling those centre back positions. If not, perhaps we resign Ben Haim or sign somebody else.
It's fair to say that we did need to see the evidence to validate the more constructive view of what's happening, but now we have perhaps a more positive spirit will develop.
The sad thing is that negative vibes don't help the Club. I was driving home last night and listening to 606 when it was announced that a Charlton fan was on the line. My heart sank as soon as he began to talk, referring, I assume (he wasn't that coherent), to Duchatelet as "Coco the Clown". I knew that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but many listeners might have inferred that the Club is a train wreck. A great shame.
We're now beginning to see what our owners are trying to do and Dorian Dervite is a good example. I liked him, but in truth he's an average player who under Chris Powell wasn't even a regular, First XI choice.
There was much concern and gnashing of teeth when he left because some saw it as a lack of willingness to spend money and further evidence that was Roland was destroying the Club, either deliberately or by default.
In reality, the owner was simply not willing to agree to the kind of long-term deal that Dervite wanted and Bolton were prepared to offer. Don't blame Dervite, but what needs to be understood is that Bolton are now committed to Dervite's wages for a three-year period. Meanwhile, in Tal Ben Haim and Andre Bikey, we've signed two very adequate replacements on one and two year deals, respectively, increasing flexibility, while we wait to see if Lennon and Gomez are capable of filling those centre back positions. If not, perhaps we resign Ben Haim or sign somebody else.
It's fair to say that we did need to see the evidence to validate the more constructive view of what's happening, but now we have perhaps a more positive spirit will develop.
The sad thing is that negative vibes don't help the Club. I was driving home last night and listening to 606 when it was announced that a Charlton fan was on the line. My heart sank as soon as he began to talk, referring, I assume (he wasn't that coherent), to Duchatelet as "Coco the Clown". I knew that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but many listeners might have inferred that the Club is a train wreck. A great shame.
That's been Duchatelet's problem all along, at his other clubs as well from what I remember some Belgian posters saying - he's pretty savvy not only with money but in football terms, not got encyclopaedic knowledge but enough to spot the difference between top Championship and lower Champ/upper League One level players. He really does know what he's doing (whether or not he is actually correct to do so) but his absolute refusal to even hint at what his plans are long term means fans only have hearsay and gossip to base speculative rumours on. You have people convinced he is a genius gaming the financial system, and some still thinking he intends to dismantle Charlton as a viable club/team - either could be right, or both wrong, we just have no idea.
Katrien seems a decent sort (in every sense ) but won't go against her boss' orders and spill any beans, Murray has lost credibility with certain sections of the fan-base, not to mention his position has no actual influence anyway, and he probably doesn't know much if anything more than the actual executives of the club.
Big Bob is showing signs of doing the business on the pitch, and the refurbishment of the Valley can only be positive, but Duchatelet the Belgian Man Of Mystery is not doing himself any favours PR-wise.
(That said, the fan who referred to him as Coco The Clown is a twat.)
In real trouble Bolton both football and finance wise. Can't help thinking that the signing of Dervite on a healthy long term contract will be regretted when they are kicking about in league One.
We're now beginning to see what our owners are trying to do and Dorian Dervite is a good example. I liked him, but in truth he's an average player who under Chris Powell wasn't even a regular, First XI choice.
There was much concern and gnashing of teeth when he left because some saw it as a lack of willingness to spend money and further evidence that was Roland was destroying the Club, either deliberately or by default.
In reality, the owner was simply not willing to agree to the kind of long-term deal that Dervite wanted and Bolton were prepared to offer. Don't blame Dervite, but what needs to be understood is that Bolton are now committed to Dervite's wages for a three-year period. Meanwhile, in Tal Ben Haim and Andre Bikey, we've signed two very adequate replacements on one and two year deals, respectively, increasing flexibility, while we wait to see if Lennon and Gomez are capable of filling those centre back positions. If not, perhaps we resign Ben Haim or sign somebody else.
It's fair to say that we did need to see the evidence to validate the more constructive view of what's happening, but now we have perhaps a more positive spirit will develop.
The sad thing is that negative vibes don't help the Club. I was driving home last night and listening to 606 when it was announced that a Charlton fan was on the line. My heart sank as soon as he began to talk, referring, I assume (he wasn't that coherent), to Duchatelet as "Coco the Clown". I knew that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but many listeners might have inferred that the Club is a train wreck. A great shame.
That's been Duchatelet's problem all along, at his other clubs as well from what I remember some Belgian posters saying - he's pretty savvy not only with money but in football terms, not got encyclopaedic knowledge but enough to spot the difference between top Championship and lower Champ/upper League One level players. He really does know what he's doing (whether or not he is actually correct to do so) but his absolute refusal to even hint at what his plans are long term means fans only have hearsay and gossip to base speculative rumours on. You have people convinced he is a genius gaming the financial system, and some still thinking he intends to dismantle Charlton as a viable club/team - either could be right, or both wrong, we just have no idea.
Katrien seems a decent sort (in every sense ) but won't go against her boss' orders and spill any beans, Murray has lost credibility with certain sections of the fan-base, not to mention his position has no actual influence anyway, and he probably doesn't know much if anything more than the actual executives of the club.
Big Bob is showing signs of doing the business on the pitch, and the refurbishment of the Valley can only be positive, but Duchatelet the Belgian Man Of Mystery is not doing himself any favours PR-wise.
(That said, the fan who referred to him as Coco The Clown is a twat.)
I was thinking the same thing the other day - that RD does actually know a bit about football. Just a feeling, WTF would I know?
I think RD has been quite clear about his intentions. He seems to like to understate, then anything better than survival in the champ is seen as an overachievement. A couple of injuries could put a different complexion on things in the pitch, but based on what he has done so far I would expect RD to take appropriate action in that event. Prior to the internet, twatter and pong we knew f*** all about what was happening at the club apart from what the South London Press (bless em) printed and the occasional teaser in VOTV. I think the Delort saga is a good case study - lots of people (me included) getting a nasty rash from knicker discomfort, all due to the interactive nature of internet "news" reporting.
I have to admit Freedman had me fooled, he plays well on credibility, but badly on ability. I hate to think what kind of financial mess they're in, probably can't afford any pay-off money.
I have to admit Freedman had me fooled, he plays well on credibility, but badly on ability. I hate to think what kind of financial mess they're in, probably can't afford any pay-off money.
Right old mess up there I reckon. Could be on the way to suffering the same fate that we, Norwich, Soton, Leicester, Forest, Sheff Weds and Wolves have all had to experience recently and drop down to league 1. Re: Dervite, as it was referenced on here above about lack of a 'decent contract', what do players expect these days? Football is trying to tighten its belt. Players in the prem can probably still command top money, after that if you are playing for a lower mid table championship team, I don't think you have the negotiation power.
To be honest though, now we have Bikey & TBH, we're not missing him at all
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Different story upfront and it will take some serious scouting and cash to replace Poyet and Kermorgant. Katrien Meire has stated they are still looking for two more players in this window so let's see.
I don't think anyone was offered a "disgusting" contract - some players like Jackson, Wiggins and Morrison chose to sign up for a few more years and some didn't. I'm not being smug after all of the signings over the summer but it was fairly obvious that M.Duchatelet wanted to bring in players who are either as good or better than those we have been watching for the last three seasons.
Some people on here wanted to keep Powell and the whole squad together. It's nice to support familiar faces. But let's not forget that we were bottom six ALL season. With the exception of Poyet I can't see any of the departed players helping CAFC to become a top six club.
Let's see how FFP is implemented at Christmas. If they are tight on the rules then Charlton is in a very good place because we haven't been paying silly money and the limits are coming down by £2M this year. We are way under the limits whereas perhaps 1/3 of the division are over budget or on the line. So they need to cut back or have a ban from registering players.
All this FFP stuff you keep going on about I have no real idea about but one minute we're "possibly" spending millions of euros on a few players and it's good but it doesn't seem to affect our FFP in your constant analysing
2) given the Poyet settlement we are probably cash positive on transfer fees, unlike clubs like Bournemouth. And I suspect we will stay that way as we either get promoted or the likes of Vetokele is sold on.
3) I have no idea what the players are on but more than 20 (including loans) left this summer and they've brought in about ten senior players so why do you think the club is spending millions?
4) plenty of posters on this site have spent the last seven months moaning about losing players, assets etc. And attacking the new regime implicitly or explicitly. But those players weren't that good... Good enough to get us out of League 1 and keep us in the Championship but never good enough to challenge for the top six. I'm not going to dig anyone out on individual posts as life is too short.
4) FFP will change things but only if it is enforced. Take the highest payers out of the transfer game for 6 months and things change.
PS M. is for monsieur - just a little respect for someone who's spent more than £20m on our club already and has transformed it on and off the pitch. It's not going to be easy going all season but for half hour today in the second half the football was sweet. Imagine what this team will be like after 5-10 games?
I agree Fox and Gomez haven't played much but Fox stepped up at the end of last season and everyone rates Gomez.
My overall point I've stated several times is that CAFC first team squad is now the sum of the academy + Liege loans + network scouted players. There are now only a handful of players left who were signed by Powell/ Jiminez/Slater. Whereas it used to be an army of players signed from other clubs (or on a free) topped up by the academy.
I think our academy is going to struggle to deliver players for the front six even when we get cat 1 status simply because London premier league clubs are tracking and recruiting/ poaching the best 7-15 year old kids. That isn't going to stop anytime soon so hopefully we fill the gaps from Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium and France (ligue 2)
Being caught by our sub who has just come in himself.
There was much concern and gnashing of teeth when he left because some saw it as a lack of willingness to spend money and further evidence that was Roland was destroying the Club, either deliberately or by default.
In reality, the owner was simply not willing to agree to the kind of long-term deal that Dervite wanted and Bolton were prepared to offer. Don't blame Dervite, but what needs to be understood is that Bolton are now committed to Dervite's wages for a three-year period. Meanwhile, in Tal Ben Haim and Andre Bikey, we've signed two very adequate replacements on one and two year deals, respectively, increasing flexibility, while we wait to see if Lennon and Gomez are capable of filling those centre back positions. If not, perhaps we resign Ben Haim or sign somebody else.
It's fair to say that we did need to see the evidence to validate the more constructive view of what's happening, but now we have perhaps a more positive spirit will develop.
The sad thing is that negative vibes don't help the Club. I was driving home last night and listening to 606 when it was announced that a Charlton fan was on the line. My heart sank as soon as he began to talk, referring, I assume (he wasn't that coherent), to Duchatelet as "Coco the Clown". I knew that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about, but many listeners might have inferred that the Club is a train wreck. A great shame.
Katrien seems a decent sort (in every sense
Big Bob is showing signs of doing the business on the pitch, and the refurbishment of the Valley can only be positive, but Duchatelet the Belgian Man Of Mystery is not doing himself any favours PR-wise.
(That said, the fan who referred to him as Coco The Clown is a twat.)
I think RD has been quite clear about his intentions. He seems to like to understate, then anything better than survival in the champ is seen as an overachievement. A couple of injuries could put a different complexion on things in the pitch, but based on what he has done so far I would expect RD to take appropriate action in that event. Prior to the internet, twatter and pong we knew f*** all about what was happening at the club apart from what the South London Press (bless em) printed and the occasional teaser in VOTV. I think the Delort saga is a good case study - lots of people (me included) getting a nasty rash from knicker discomfort, all due to the interactive nature of internet "news" reporting.
To be honest though, now we have Bikey & TBH, we're not missing him at all