I think I'm right in saying undisclosed fees are undisclosed because one of the 2 teams request that it's undisclosed.
So if Charlton want it to be undisclosed it's because either it's a pittance or as mentioned above, it's a decent sum and we don't want clubs knowing we have it.
If West ham have asked for it to be undisclosed... well I don't know. Even if it was 3M, which it won't be - I can't see why West Ham would want it kept quiet. Whatever the sum, it will be tiny in relation to premier league money so I can only see that it's Charlton that have requested an undisclosed fee
I think I'm right in saying undisclosed fees are undisclosed because one of the 2 teams request that it's undisclosed.
So if Charlton want it to be undisclosed it's because either it's a pittance or as mentioned above, it's a decent sum and we don't want clubs knowing we have it.
If West ham have asked for it to be undisclosed... well I don't know. Even if it was 3M, which it won't be - I can't see why West Ham would want it kept quiet. Whatever the sum, it will be tiny in relation to premier league money so I can only see that it's Charlton that have requested an undisclosed fee
"It's massive to come to a Premier League club. It's what I wanted to do - I wanted a new challenge and soon as I heard there was a chance of stepping up I had to take it.
"I played quite a few games last season with Charlton and I just want to push on now. Like any young player, the first thing you want to do is get into the first team. I need to show the staff, players and the gaffer what I'm capable of doing and maybe pushing my way in.
Utter nonsense to even suggest we'd be in League One or would have been relegated without Poyet. Have people who think that already forgotten Jose Riga and his coaching team, Hamer's excellent form and penalty save at Leeds, Harriott's goals and assists, Sordell's hat-trick at Wednesday, Cousins' goal at Forest, Reza's goal at Leeds, Dervite's goal at home to Bournemouth, Wilson's superb form all season, Jackson's huge goals agsinst QPR and Watford... I could go on.
Good luck to the lad. A future England player in the making. I would have loved for him to sign a new contract and show a bit of loyalty and maybe left in a year or two but loyalty in football is non existent and that means both ways! I do feel a bit cheated that we trained and harnessed his skills and at the first opportunity he upped and left though. A lesson to be learnt here, get our promising youngsters tied down to longer deals quicker!
Good luck to the lad. A future England player in the making. I would have loved for him to sign a new contract and show a bit of loyalty and maybe left in a year or two but loyalty in football is non existent and that means both ways! I do feel a bit cheated that we trained and harnessed his skills and at the first opportunity he upped and left though. A lesson to be learnt here, get our promising youngsters tied down to longer deals quicker!
Future England player is getting a bit OTT. He's played 20 games in the championship, at a poor team last year.
Sure he has moved to "the England 1966" team but there is no guarantee he will play. I expect him to get 10-15 games, if West Ham are successful they will replace him with someone better, if they go down he will stick with them for a bit before leaving. I expect his career to look very much like Richard Chaplow's. At best he will end up like Steve Sidwell.
i'm beginning to think if the internet existed back in the late 80s there would no longer be a CAFC. "Move on, the valley's gone!" "lets combine with crystal palace, might be a smart business move, our owners are successful businessmen lets not forget".
Nothing will ever convince me Poyet moving isn't disgusting full stop, let alone to a localish rival and one who i'd say are the same size and who play horrendous football, albeit in the premier league.
Championship footballers get paid an extremely good living these days, let alone prem footballers. The "make money while he can" argument for me is complete and utter BS and anyone who is trying to convince themselves otherwise are deluded.
Would you or would you not change jobs if someone offered you much more money and better prospects?
i'm beginning to think if the internet existed back in the late 80s there would no longer be a CAFC. "Move on, the valley's gone!" "lets combine with crystal palace, might be a smart business move, our owners are successful businessmen lets not forget".
Nothing will ever convince me Poyet moving isn't disgusting full stop, let alone to a localish rival and one who i'd say are the same size and who play horrendous football, albeit in the premier league.
Championship footballers get paid an extremely good living these days, let alone prem footballers. The "make money while he can" argument for me is complete and utter BS and anyone who is trying to convince themselves otherwise are deluded.
Would you or would you not change jobs if someone offered you much more money and better prospects?
HE IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER
THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT MEANS NOTHING
If a company had invested in training me for 6 years, I'd feel obliged to give back more than 22weeks of work in return.
Even so whilst you make a very rational statement it is not comparable. If I jacked in and fucked off elsewhere for a massive pay rise to do less work noone at my place would give a monkies beyond any money I would put behind a bar for my leaving piss up.
And I doubt very much they would anywhere any of the rest of us work. Football is different
He will move on to a bigger club IF he fulfils his potential so Wet Spam will only get a couple of years out of him probably (plus a large fee). I'm not bitter about him going. He had stupid hair and smelt of wee anyway
Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere...
Allegedly West Ham agreed the fee with Charlton BEFORE it went to tribunal which makes me think we got a decent amount for him and, understandably, do not want other clubs to know that we have some extra cash to splash on players. This is especially true given that we are most probably in delicate negotiations with several targets identified by Big Bob as we speak and don't want their greedy agents getting wind of it.
I was asking out of genuinely wanting to understand , never saw him play you see
ditto redmist, though i gather from the gushing majority he was class. i sense he will get an early chance and do ok in a mid-table west ham side under play it safe sam.
18 / 19 years old yet able to compete better than most of our team physically which admittedly isn't saying much. Covered the ground, often making last ditch tackles to rescue the defence. An old head on young shoulders in that he never seemed to panic and was able to look up and pick an option even if, as others have said, it was often a safe one.
In short he looked like he'd played at Championship level for years rather than a handful of games and gave the impression there was much more to come.
i'm beginning to think if the internet existed back in the late 80s there would no longer be a CAFC. "Move on, the valley's gone!" "lets combine with crystal palace, might be a smart business move, our owners are successful businessmen lets not forget".
Nothing will ever convince me Poyet moving isn't disgusting full stop, let alone to a localish rival and one who i'd say are the same size and who play horrendous football, albeit in the premier league.
Championship footballers get paid an extremely good living these days, let alone prem footballers. The "make money while he can" argument for me is complete and utter BS and anyone who is trying to convince themselves otherwise are deluded.
Would you or would you not change jobs if someone offered you much more money and better prospects?
HE IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER
THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT MEANS NOTHING
Really? Isn't a being a professional footballer a job? I've know professional footballers and for the vast majority it is a job to them. Poyet isn't Wayne Rooney yet is he, so he's obliged to look after his interests until such time as he goes into super stardom paydays, maybe he will maybe he won't. I don't think he's handled this well and hasn't shown much class, but don't get the argument he owes us so much that he would give up a great opportunity for himself. Anyway I doubt he's calling the shots over this, no doubt a team of agents/advisers/parents are, he's 19!
I work for one of the big government private contractors (which shall remain nameless) and I once got offered a job at a rival contractor for more money and turned it down. I didn't want to let my fans down who had supported me over the years. Also didn't fancy all the abuse I'd get on twitter and people throwing things at me in the carpark.
In a funny way he has looked after us! Helped us stay up (not single handed!) and a "7 figure sum" even if some of it is conditional is significant. From my calculations on CAFC losses and FFP I recall that the Academy costs c. £1M a year to run - a "7 figure sum". That same academy is churning out four players a year who are good enough for our first team - each and every year. That will save us a lot on journeymen second tier footballers who appear to command £3-500k pa!
His path can be shown as a way forward for any trainee who thinks or even knows that he is a cut above his cohort. Our club is a club and not about any one individual, player, staff member, director or fan.
If every season we can finish higher in the table, bring through more kids and end up with a squad worth more than it was 12 months previous then we will progress. Until we reach the point where the next "Poyet" says "I think I'll have a crack at the play-offs with CAFC". Dreaming? Perhaps? Just saying I liked the statement on the o/s because we are moving forwards while others are spending a lot more on aging squads and going nowhere fast.
But I've been looking at other clubs and with the players coming in so far we are in a better position than some. Perhaps not too long until we are looking down on 14th and we have plenty of spare capacity to spend more thanks to deals around Poyet and one of the best academies in the Championship.
Who knows, perhaps West Ham might help out by loaning the odd player - as long as it's not Mike Small again!
seriously_red : "If every season we can finish higher in the table, bring through more kids and end up with a squad worth more than it was 12 months previous then we will progress."
We will win The Premiership & probably The Champions League as well.
i'm beginning to think if the internet existed back in the late 80s there would no longer be a CAFC. "Move on, the valley's gone!" "lets combine with crystal palace, might be a smart business move, our owners are successful businessmen lets not forget".
Nothing will ever convince me Poyet moving isn't disgusting full stop, let alone to a localish rival and one who i'd say are the same size and who play horrendous football, albeit in the premier league.
Championship footballers get paid an extremely good living these days, let alone prem footballers. The "make money while he can" argument for me is complete and utter BS and anyone who is trying to convince themselves otherwise are deluded.
Would you or would you not change jobs if someone offered you much more money and better prospects?
You don't often get players do a shelvey and I didn't expect him too, what I am annoyed about is the way he conducted himself, the silly games on twitter 'I'll tell the truth when I have signed to a new club' bullshit. Let alone other things.
Will 100% be giving him grief when he next plays against us
You won't have to wait too long. Reckon he will be loaned out next season, and he certainly will not be going to a premier league side for that.
Of course it's sour grapes, wouldn't you have if you put time and effort into someone who has acted in the amber DP has towards the club.
The way he left is nothing short of disrespectful, but you'll still find people crawling up his arse and using crap arguments saying was it disrespectful when we released Jordan fucking cook.
Good grief.
So you can tell us, without any shadow of a doubt, that in the same position you'd have turned down more money, Premier League football, Premier League coaching/facilities/team-mates and the infinite lifestyle perks that come with it, to sign on in the Championship for a bottom-half club with an untried manager you don't know?
I also believe Poyet probably should have signed a pro deal like Shelvey did before going. But I know full-well that when a person actually has the reality of being faced with a decision like this, it's not really hard to understand why they move on. Human nature. To dig him out so sanctimoniously and promising to 'give him a grief' just looks a bit ridiculous.
Money comes before the career for footballers. That is not a criticism just the reality.
If people reckon they would have done different to Poyet then I do not believe them.
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So if Charlton want it to be undisclosed it's because either it's a pittance or as mentioned above, it's a decent sum and we don't want clubs knowing we have it.
If West ham have asked for it to be undisclosed... well I don't know. Even if it was 3M, which it won't be - I can't see why West Ham would want it kept quiet. Whatever the sum, it will be tiny in relation to premier league money so I can only see that it's Charlton that have requested an undisclosed fee
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West Ham United have snapped up Charlton Athletic star Diego Poyet for a 7 figure sum. #whufc #westham #cafc #charlton #addicks
"I played quite a few games last season with Charlton and I just want to push on now. Like any young player, the first thing you want to do is get into the first team. I need to show the staff, players and the gaffer what I'm capable of doing and maybe pushing my way in.
For us to accept an offer, without going down that road, will only be a positive thing.
The board would have valued DP as an asset, and probably tried to get add one on top.
It will be undisclosed for exact reasons mentioned by Golfie. Maybe not exact in numerical terms, but a similar outline.
Sure he has moved to "the England 1966" team but there is no guarantee he will play. I expect him to get 10-15 games, if West Ham are successful they will replace him with someone better, if they go down he will stick with them for a bit before leaving. I expect his career to look very much like Richard Chaplow's. At best he will end up like Steve Sidwell.
HE IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER
THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT MEANS NOTHING
If a company had invested in training me for 6 years, I'd feel obliged to give back more than 22weeks of work in return.
And I doubt very much they would anywhere any of the rest of us work. Football is different
Allegedly West Ham agreed the fee with Charlton BEFORE it went to tribunal which makes me think we got a decent amount for him and, understandably, do not want other clubs to know that we have some extra cash to splash on players. This is especially true given that we are most probably in delicate negotiations with several targets identified by Big Bob as we speak and don't want their greedy agents getting wind of it.
In short he looked like he'd played at Championship level for years rather than a handful of games and gave the impression there was much more to come.
Hope this helps!
His path can be shown as a way forward for any trainee who thinks or even knows that he is a cut above his cohort. Our club is a club and not about any one individual, player, staff member, director or fan.
If every season we can finish higher in the table, bring through more kids and end up with a squad worth more than it was 12 months previous then we will progress. Until we reach the point where the next "Poyet" says "I think I'll have a crack at the play-offs with CAFC". Dreaming? Perhaps? Just saying I liked the statement on the o/s because we are moving forwards while others are spending a lot more on aging squads and going nowhere fast.
But I've been looking at other clubs and with the players coming in so far we are in a better position than some. Perhaps not too long until we are looking down on 14th and we have plenty of spare capacity to spend more thanks to deals around Poyet and one of the best academies in the Championship.
Who knows, perhaps West Ham might help out by loaning the odd player - as long as it's not Mike Small again!
We will win The Premiership & probably The Champions League as well.
Praise be the lord. It's going to be oh so easy.
If people reckon they would have done different to Poyet then I do not believe them.