I accept that it's wrong that he gets so much unthinking abuse, and that there are two sides to the story.
However I am not well disposed towards him, because I think he is off to Chelsea, and I have thought that ever since he emerged in our team. Mainly because of who and how his father is.
In particular this vague talk of going abroad seems to me as a fabrication, a smokescreen. No one abroad will pay him more than Chelsea will. Barca probably have ten 19 years old with more potential than him.
Ah but suppose he sees it as a development move? Well RDs got the answer to that. Sign a new contract and go for a season to Standard. They are in the UCL early rounds. They are prepared to play a 19 year old in such games, whereas the likes of AC Milan are not in those rounds and don't play kids in the UCL. If he ever mentioned "abroad" to them then RD and Katrien would have been all over that. I don't believe for one minute that he did.
He's off to Chelsea.
And if I turn out to be wrong, I'll come back here and apologize to him.
I don't think he's a huge loss. Poyet is a cautious defensive midfielder - I don't recall him instigating attacking moves with killer passes. We need a creative attacking midfielder to set the strikers free. If Poyet is that good a player, wouldn't he be more effective playing twenty yards farther forward?
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
What, nail them to the chair? Don't demean your argument with silly statements Tom.
No, but we seemed to be pretty sharp at getting contracts sorted for the likes of Joe Piggott after 1-2 appearances. A player who in my opinion has never ever looked like first team potential.
We also managed to sort out quick deals for Callum Harriott and Jordan Cousins.
We shot ourselves in the foot by not getting Diego tied down the moment he came into the team. We only have ourselves to blame.
Well if the official statement is to be believed, the club have been negotiating with him since "early 2014", he made his debut on Jan 20th - or as one might also put it "early 2014". So they had been trying to tie him down, but he refused to be tied down.
I hope that has cleared that particular misunderstanding up?
The official club website also tried making Yann Kermorgant look like an absolute mercenary. Ben Hamer and Michael Morrison themselves came out and said that the club has a knack of being ridiculously slow with contract negotiation.
I suspect the aspect of compensation/repaying back Charlton must have crossed Poyet's mind at some point through all of this. Whose to say that he didn't try and push something through to get us compensation, only for it to jeopardize a move altogether and then back out?
That is completely in your mind mate, absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. He hasn't even got another club to go to yet, apparently, so how could that possibly be the case?
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
Do you not think you could give them a pretty good start in life earning 10 grand a week at nineteen, and then a year later ten times that much when you move onto the big club that you (as Deigo) clearly think you deserve to be at?
maybe he's not sure the big club opportunity or £100k a week contract is gonna be there in a years time , hence he has to make hay why the sun shines i'm sure if someone said another year at Charlton then £100k a week 4 year contract at Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd is guaranteed in a years time he'd take that but that's not gonna happen
He is confident enough of his star quality to walk out on the club with apparently no other offer on the table from elsewhere though, isn't he?
He has treated CAFC pretty shabbily, I am not happy with it. The entire world could keep telling me money is the be all and end all of everything, I am still not going to agree with them.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
What, nail them to the chair? Don't demean your argument with silly statements Tom.
No, but we seemed to be pretty sharp at getting contracts sorted for the likes of Joe Piggott after 1-2 appearances. A player who in my opinion has never ever looked like first team potential.
We also managed to sort out quick deals for Callum Harriott and Jordan Cousins.
We shot ourselves in the foot by not getting Diego tied down the moment he came into the team. We only have ourselves to blame.
Well if the official statement is to be believed, the club have been negotiating with him since "early 2014", he made his debut on Jan 20th - or as one might also put it "early 2014". So they had been trying to tie him down, but he refused to be tied down.
I hope that has cleared that particular misunderstanding up?
The official club website also tried making Yann Kermorgant look like an absolute mercenary. Ben Hamer and Michael Morrison themselves came out and said that the club has a knack of being ridiculously slow with contract negotiation.
I suspect the aspect of compensation/repaying back Charlton must have crossed Poyet's mind at some point through all of this. Whose to say that he didn't try and push something through to get us compensation, only for it to jeopardize a move altogether and then back out?
That is completely in your mind mate, absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. He hasn't even got another club to go to yet, apparently, so how could that possibly be the case?
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
If you read closely what I said, I didn't suggest that Poyet had definitely looked into the possibilities to pay us back or that I had evidence to support that idea. I was merely suggesting that throughout all of this, it would be pretty surprising if it hadn't crossed his mind or if someone from within the club hadn't mentioned it to him during the negotiation.
A lot of people seem to be airing on the side of "Hes screwed us over, not paying us back etc", when all we have is a few paragraphs on the Charlton website to go on. There are always two sides to the story.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
What, nail them to the chair? Don't demean your argument with silly statements Tom.
No, but we seemed to be pretty sharp at getting contracts sorted for the likes of Joe Piggott after 1-2 appearances. A player who in my opinion has never ever looked like first team potential.
We also managed to sort out quick deals for Callum Harriott and Jordan Cousins.
We shot ourselves in the foot by not getting Diego tied down the moment he came into the team. We only have ourselves to blame.
Well if the official statement is to be believed, the club have been negotiating with him since "early 2014", he made his debut on Jan 20th - or as one might also put it "early 2014". So they had been trying to tie him down, but he refused to be tied down.
I hope that has cleared that particular misunderstanding up?
The official club website also tried making Yann Kermorgant look like an absolute mercenary. Ben Hamer and Michael Morrison themselves came out and said that the club has a knack of being ridiculously slow with contract negotiation.
I suspect the aspect of compensation/repaying back Charlton must have crossed Poyet's mind at some point through all of this. Whose to say that he didn't try and push something through to get us compensation, only for it to jeopardize a move altogether and then back out?
That is completely in your mind mate, absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. He hasn't even got another club to go to yet, apparently, so how could that possibly be the case?
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
If you read closely what I said, I didn't suggest that Poyet had definitely looked into the possibilities to pay us back. I was merely suggesting that throughout all of this, it would be pretty surprising if it hadn't crossed his mind or if someone from within the club had mentioned it to him during the negotiation.
A lot of people seem to be airing on the side of "Hes screwed us over, not paying us back etc", when all we have is a few paragraphs on the Charlton website to go on. There are always two sides to the story.
There are Tom, but imagining stuff that suits your side of the discussion is even less reliable than a few paragraphs on the website. Poyet has said and done nothing whatsoever to dispute anything the club has said. Not one word, nada. If the club did mention us getting compensation during negotiation, he has clearly taken no notice of that at all, which surely would make his stance even worse, and weaken your argument?
From the facts that are available, and from Poyet's silence on the matter, I do think he has screwed us over. When a scrap of evidence (not speculation or fantasy) comes along that seems to contradict what we know, I will re-assess my opinion.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
What, nail them to the chair? Don't demean your argument with silly statements Tom.
No, but we seemed to be pretty sharp at getting contracts sorted for the likes of Joe Piggott after 1-2 appearances. A player who in my opinion has never ever looked like first team potential.
We also managed to sort out quick deals for Callum Harriott and Jordan Cousins.
We shot ourselves in the foot by not getting Diego tied down the moment he came into the team. We only have ourselves to blame.
Well if the official statement is to be believed, the club have been negotiating with him since "early 2014", he made his debut on Jan 20th - or as one might also put it "early 2014". So they had been trying to tie him down, but he refused to be tied down.
I hope that has cleared that particular misunderstanding up?
The official club website also tried making Yann Kermorgant look like an absolute mercenary. Ben Hamer and Michael Morrison themselves came out and said that the club has a knack of being ridiculously slow with contract negotiation.
I suspect the aspect of compensation/repaying back Charlton must have crossed Poyet's mind at some point through all of this. Whose to say that he didn't try and push something through to get us compensation, only for it to jeopardize a move altogether and then back out?
That is completely in your mind mate, absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. He hasn't even got another club to go to yet, apparently, so how could that possibly be the case?
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
If you read closely what I said, I didn't suggest that Poyet had definitely looked into the possibilities to pay us back. I was merely suggesting that throughout all of this, it would be pretty surprising if it hadn't crossed his mind or if someone from within the club had mentioned it to him during the negotiation.
A lot of people seem to be airing on the side of "Hes screwed us over, not paying us back etc", when all we have is a few paragraphs on the Charlton website to go on. There are always two sides to the story.
There are Tom, but imagining stuff that suits your side of the discussion is even less reliable than a few paragraphs on the website. Poyet has said and done nothing whatsoever to dispute anything the club has said. Not one word, nada. If the club did mention us getting compensation during negotiation, he has clearly taken no notice of that at all, which surely would make his stance even worse, and weaken your argument?
From the facts that are available, and from Poyet's silence on the matter, I do think he has screwed us over. When a scrap of evidence (not speculation or fantasy) comes along that seems to contradict what we know, I will re-assess my opinion.
For the second time - I'm not saying that there is evidence behind what I was suggesting. Just putting it out there as a scenario that could have well happened.
People are referring to Shelvey and Jenkinson as if they know for sure that it was those individual players who turned around and said "I'm not leaving unless Charlton get something", when they had incredible opportunities at their door. Now, I don't know how business savvy either of those lads are but it wouldn't surprise me if it had actually been the club who had spoken about the situation with the players, and they got on board with it.
If the discussions with Poyet were as lengthy and arduous as they're saying it was, then do you not think at some point Katrien or Roland would have said "How about this to try and help the club out?" That is surely what half the negotiation was centered around? Its not as if we were going to sign him up to four years and expect to keep him for four years. There must have been a fair few scenarios mooted, hence why the whole thing has taken so long.
So yes, Diego may have turned down that opportunity to help us out by signing a contract and getting us x amount of millions. The option of signing up to Charlton (when you're out of contract and free to do as you please) would likely jeopordize any potential move to the clubs he is negotiating with. Why on earth would he do that? In an ideal world I'm sure he would have liked to see us get more money for it, but thats not really his problem.
Now you can call it fantasy or whatever, but I just find it hard to believe that among all that discussion that the conversation wouldn't have come up. We would be stupid not to, and Roland isn't a stupid man.
Very disappointed. Paul Sturgess' post yesterday did get my hopes up. I don't blame Poyet though tbh. Whatever everyone is arguing about, I think we can at least all agree that Jonjo Shelvey is a pure rarity and the kind of player we won't see in a very long time.
John Bostock played four games at the age of 16 and buggered off from Palace.
19 year old Diego Poyet has played 20 games and won Player of The Year award, and was Man of The Match in the majority of games he played.
Big difference.
Is it though? In terms of stats, it is, fair enough.
But in terms of ability and the talent I think it is very similar. Bostock was looked at the shining light who was going to get better and drag Palace through and give the fans hope they could produce their own talent. Big things were made of him and looking half decent at that level for a 16 year old would get any fan going with optimism. When his time to leave came they would get a good fee for him and he would go on to improve, everyones happy.
The feel good factor with Poyet last season, to me, seems similar. Optimism and excitement at a player who announced himself to us with mature performances beyond his years with the excitment to know he could get better. Obviously we couldn't keep him forever, but surely long enough to see a surge in our fortunes for next season and be a shining light who one day could make the multi million pound move we for once wouldn't be forced to make, but couldn't turn down.
Now he is going, to who? No one knows. Has he been tapped up? I have no doubt. Are we going to get peanuts for a player who was a jewell in our crown? Definitley.
I look and would like to see just a little bit of loyalty to a club who has given you this better experience and oppurtunity. I don't know what contract Charlton offered, but could he have at least tried to survive on 5k a week with us for a season or two before making a big move to some other team where we could get compensated and he could then make his mega money?
Hopefully he won't end up like Bostock now, but the start seems similar to me.
This thread is getting us nowhere. He has left, good player for about 20 games, disappointing that we have missed out on keeping him or getting a decent fee, but life goes on. Moderator I think you should think about closing this down and everyone get behind new players, whoever they are.
This thread is getting us nowhere. He has left, good player for about 20 games, disappointing that we have missed out on keeping him or getting a decent fee, but life goes on. Moderator I think you should think about closing this down and everyone get behind new players, whoever they are.
Nah, keep it open its great when typists go to war.
Best of luck with your career Diego which we will watch with interest. As for us, we will see other youngsters grow and prosper in our Academy, but I wish that the FA would introduce a system giving Clubs like ours a better financial return for our investment. Some hope with the good time Johnnies who run things.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
What, nail them to the chair? Don't demean your argument with silly statements Tom.
No, but we seemed to be pretty sharp at getting contracts sorted for the likes of Joe Piggott after 1-2 appearances. A player who in my opinion has never ever looked like first team potential.
We also managed to sort out quick deals for Callum Harriott and Jordan Cousins.
We shot ourselves in the foot by not getting Diego tied down the moment he came into the team. We only have ourselves to blame.
Well if the official statement is to be believed, the club have been negotiating with him since "early 2014", he made his debut on Jan 20th - or as one might also put it "early 2014". So they had been trying to tie him down, but he refused to be tied down.
I hope that has cleared that particular misunderstanding up?
The official club website also tried making Yann Kermorgant look like an absolute mercenary. Ben Hamer and Michael Morrison themselves came out and said that the club has a knack of being ridiculously slow with contract negotiation.
I suspect the aspect of compensation/repaying back Charlton must have crossed Poyet's mind at some point through all of this. Whose to say that he didn't try and push something through to get us compensation, only for it to jeopardize a move altogether and then back out?
That is completely in your mind mate, absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. He hasn't even got another club to go to yet, apparently, so how could that possibly be the case?
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
If you read closely what I said, I didn't suggest that Poyet had definitely looked into the possibilities to pay us back. I was merely suggesting that throughout all of this, it would be pretty surprising if it hadn't crossed his mind or if someone from within the club had mentioned it to him during the negotiation.
A lot of people seem to be airing on the side of "Hes screwed us over, not paying us back etc", when all we have is a few paragraphs on the Charlton website to go on. There are always two sides to the story.
There are Tom, but imagining stuff that suits your side of the discussion is even less reliable than a few paragraphs on the website. Poyet has said and done nothing whatsoever to dispute anything the club has said. Not one word, nada. If the club did mention us getting compensation during negotiation, he has clearly taken no notice of that at all, which surely would make his stance even worse, and weaken your argument?
From the facts that are available, and from Poyet's silence on the matter, I do think he has screwed us over. When a scrap of evidence (not speculation or fantasy) comes along that seems to contradict what we know, I will re-assess my opinion.
For the second time - I'm not saying that there is evidence behind what I was suggesting. Just putting it out there as a scenario that could have well happened.
People are referring to Shelvey and Jenkinson as if they know for sure that it was those individual players who turned around and said "I'm not leaving unless Charlton get something", when they had incredible opportunities at their door. Now, I don't know how business savvy either of those lads are but it wouldn't surprise me if it had actually been the club who had spoken about the situation with the players, and they got on board with it.
If the discussions with Poyet were as lengthy and arduous as they're saying it was, then do you not think at some point Katrien or Roland would have said "How about this to try and help the club out?" That is surely what half the negotiation was centered around? Its not as if we were going to sign him up to four years and expect to keep him for four years. There must have been a fair few scenarios mooted, hence why the whole thing has taken so long.
So yes, Diego may have turned down that opportunity to help us out by signing a contract and getting us x amount of millions. The option of signing up to Charlton (when you're out of contract and free to do as you please) would likely jeopordize any potential move to the clubs he is negotiating with. Why on earth would he do that? In an ideal world I'm sure he would have liked to see us get more money for it, but thats not really his problem.
Now you can call it fantasy or whatever, but I just find it hard to believe that among all that discussion that the conversation wouldn't have come up. We would be stupid not to, and Roland isn't a stupid man.
Are you actually reading a word of what I have written Tom? I had hoped that this sentence may have given you a clue as to my thinking: "If the club did mention us getting compensation during negotiation, he has clearly taken no notice of that at all, which surely would make his stance even worse, and weaken your argument?". You seem to agree that he took no notice, and apparently side with him doing that?
I have not mentioned Shelvey or Jenkinson anywhere, at any point.
"would likely jeopordize any potential move to the clubs he is negotiating with." - He has indicated that he is not negotiating with any one club in particular. If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
"but thats not really his problem". No but as a Charlton fan, it is mine. And it's that apparent attitude of his that I have a problem with. He has shat on MY club, you may not want to see the best for the club (if you did, why would you be writing paragraph after paragraph defending the greedy little shit?), but I do.
As I said, until there is new evidence, not fantasy and speculation, Poyet is off the Christmas card list.
BTW I agree that abusing him on twitter is out of order.
He - that's the real Poyet - not the one in your head, has clearly stated that he is not (that's NOT - N.O.T) negotiating with any other clubs, why do you insist on inserting this into every post? If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
where and when did he say he was NOT negotiating with any other clubs ?
Do you not think you could give them a pretty good start in life earning 10 grand a week at nineteen, and then a year later ten times that much when you move onto the big club that you (as Deigo) clearly think you deserve to be at?
maybe he's not sure the big club opportunity or £100k a week contract is gonna be there in a years time , hence he has to make hay why the sun shines i'm sure if someone said another year at Charlton then £100k a week 4 year contract at Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd is guaranteed in a years time he'd take that but that's not gonna happen
He is confident enough of his star quality to walk out on the club with apparently no other offer on the table from elsewhere though, isn't he?
i'm pretty sure he'd have been offered a deal elsewhere or know that clubs would have contacted his agent about him
would he have been able to speak to other clubs with 6 months of his contract left to run ?
Far too good for us I'm afraid and best of luck to the lad.
Once Dervite and Hamer baled out then Poyet was certain to follow. Biggest non-shock of the close season.
Maybe more like when SCP departed and then Jose wasn't retained ?
My understanding is that he had a great deal of respect for both managers & maybe "the unknown" that is Big Bob was the last straw IYKWIM
Or he joined AN other (Rumours are Chelsea) because they're a Prem/Top division club and far above anything we could offer?
I very much doubt he was staying, otherwise he'd have signed a contract earlier when he was happy with Riga.
Yeah, the statement did say they first approached him with terms in early 2014 - so Riga would still have been here. If Diego was serious about staying on (or just signed a contract to get Charlton better terms) it would have been pen to paper a while ago. The longer it went on the more likely it was he was off. Disappointing as it is I don't think anyone is hugely surprised.
He - that's the real Poyet - not the one in your head, has clearly stated that he is not (that's NOT - N.O.T) negotiating with any other clubs, why do you insist on inserting this into every post? If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
where and when did he say he was NOT negotiating with any other clubs ?
Do you not think you could give them a pretty good start in life earning 10 grand a week at nineteen, and then a year later ten times that much when you move onto the big club that you (as Deigo) clearly think you deserve to be at?
maybe he's not sure the big club opportunity or £100k a week contract is gonna be there in a years time , hence he has to make hay why the sun shines i'm sure if someone said another year at Charlton then £100k a week 4 year contract at Arsenal/Chelsea/Man Utd is guaranteed in a years time he'd take that but that's not gonna happen
He is confident enough of his star quality to walk out on the club with apparently no other offer on the table from elsewhere though, isn't he?
i'm pretty sure he'd have been offered a deal elsewhere or know that clubs would have contacted his agent about him
would he have been able to speak to other clubs with 6 months of his contract left to run ?
Sorry - I stand corrected on point one - the wording of the club statement suggested that he was walking away to explore other options, not his words. I took that to mean he has told Charlton that he has no firm offer from any one club.
On point two, he would have been able to speak to clubs within an hour of signing a new contract - maybe not legally, but it happens all the time as we well know. But had he signed that contract, and inserted a £2m buyout clause, we would have at least got back a bit more of what had been invested in him. And why would he be offered a deal elsewhere now but not in six, twelve or eighteen months if he's that confident?
I understand Diego qualifies for England, Spain and Uruguay. Hypothetically speaking, if all offered him the chance to play, would his main consideration be a matter for his heart or the financial reward he could gain? On evidence so far I think his bank balance would top the list.
After all is said and done, it is completely down to the eight years of coaching and nurturing he received at Charlton which has put him in this fantastic position. Would it really be so bad to show some appreciation of that by signing a short term contract? Its not as though he’d be making a pauper of himself by doing it.
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However I am not well disposed towards him, because I think he is off to Chelsea, and I have thought that ever since he emerged in our team. Mainly because of who and how his father is.
In particular this vague talk of going abroad seems to me as a fabrication, a smokescreen. No one abroad will pay him more than Chelsea will. Barca probably have ten 19 years old with more potential than him.
Ah but suppose he sees it as a development move? Well RDs got the answer to that. Sign a new contract and go for a season to Standard. They are in the UCL early rounds. They are prepared to play a 19 year old in such games, whereas the likes of AC Milan are not in those rounds and don't play kids in the UCL. If he ever mentioned "abroad" to them then RD and Katrien would have been all over that. I don't believe for one minute that he did.
He's off to Chelsea.
And if I turn out to be wrong, I'll come back here and apologize to him.
Only time will tell if he makes the right decision for his career.
Others on here who are apparently ITK have said that Yann did hold the club to ransom. I don't know either way, and neither do you, so it's not really relevant.
I had no idea about Hamer and Morrison, one is still at the club, so it can't have been too much of a problem?
You really have no more idea than anyone else, and Poyet hasn't suggested any of the scenarios you are suggesting Tom.
He has treated CAFC pretty shabbily, I am not happy with it. The entire world could keep telling me money is the be all and end all of everything, I am still not going to agree with them.
A lot of people seem to be airing on the side of "Hes screwed us over, not paying us back etc", when all we have is a few paragraphs on the Charlton website to go on. There are always two sides to the story.
From the facts that are available, and from Poyet's silence on the matter, I do think he has screwed us over. When a scrap of evidence (not speculation or fantasy) comes along that seems to contradict what we know, I will re-assess my opinion.
People are referring to Shelvey and Jenkinson as if they know for sure that it was those individual players who turned around and said "I'm not leaving unless Charlton get something", when they had incredible opportunities at their door. Now, I don't know how business savvy either of those lads are but it wouldn't surprise me if it had actually been the club who had spoken about the situation with the players, and they got on board with it.
If the discussions with Poyet were as lengthy and arduous as they're saying it was, then do you not think at some point Katrien or Roland would have said "How about this to try and help the club out?" That is surely what half the negotiation was centered around? Its not as if we were going to sign him up to four years and expect to keep him for four years. There must have been a fair few scenarios mooted, hence why the whole thing has taken so long.
So yes, Diego may have turned down that opportunity to help us out by signing a contract and getting us x amount of millions. The option of signing up to Charlton (when you're out of contract and free to do as you please) would likely jeopordize any potential move to the clubs he is negotiating with. Why on earth would he do that? In an ideal world I'm sure he would have liked to see us get more money for it, but thats not really his problem.
Now you can call it fantasy or whatever, but I just find it hard to believe that among all that discussion that the conversation wouldn't have come up. We would be stupid not to, and Roland isn't a stupid man.
But in terms of ability and the talent I think it is very similar. Bostock was looked at the shining light who was going to get better and drag Palace through and give the fans hope they could produce their own talent. Big things were made of him and looking half decent at that level for a 16 year old would get any fan going with optimism. When his time to leave came they would get a good fee for him and he would go on to improve, everyones happy.
The feel good factor with Poyet last season, to me, seems similar. Optimism and excitement at a player who announced himself to us with mature performances beyond his years with the excitment to know he could get better. Obviously we couldn't keep him forever, but surely long enough to see a surge in our fortunes for next season and be a shining light who one day could make the multi million pound move we for once wouldn't be forced to make, but couldn't turn down.
Now he is going, to who? No one knows. Has he been tapped up? I have no doubt. Are we going to get peanuts for a player who was a jewell in our crown? Definitley.
I look and would like to see just a little bit of loyalty to a club who has given you this better experience and oppurtunity. I don't know what contract Charlton offered, but could he have at least tried to survive on 5k a week with us for a season or two before making a big move to some other team where we could get compensated and he could then make his mega money?
Hopefully he won't end up like Bostock now, but the start seems similar to me.
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I have not mentioned Shelvey or Jenkinson anywhere, at any point.
"would likely jeopordize any potential move to the clubs he is negotiating with." - He has indicated that he is not negotiating with any one club in particular. If he is negotiating then that makes him a liar, on top of everything else!
"but thats not really his problem". No but as a Charlton fan, it is mine. And it's that apparent attitude of his that I have a problem with. He has shat on MY club, you may not want to see the best for the club (if you did, why would you be writing paragraph after paragraph defending the greedy little shit?), but I do.
As I said, until there is new evidence, not fantasy and speculation, Poyet is off the Christmas card list.
BTW I agree that abusing him on twitter is out of order.
Far too good for us I'm afraid and best of luck to the lad.
Once Dervite and Hamer baled out then Poyet was certain to follow. Biggest non-shock of the close season.
My understanding is that he had a great deal of respect for both managers & maybe "the unknown" that is Big Bob was the last straw IYKWIM
I very much doubt he was staying, otherwise he'd have signed a contract earlier when he was happy with Riga.
would he have been able to speak to other clubs with 6 months of his contract left to run ?
That's the real scandal here.
But if it's true, what pisses me off is that he'd be far better off on loan at Standard, playing European football in a passionate atmosphere.
I see his dad all over this. Knob.
On point two, he would have been able to speak to clubs within an hour of signing a new contract - maybe not legally, but it happens all the time as we well know. But had he signed that contract, and inserted a £2m buyout clause, we would have at least got back a bit more of what had been invested in him. And why would he be offered a deal elsewhere now but not in six, twelve or eighteen months if he's that confident?
After all is said and done, it is completely down to the eight years of coaching and nurturing he received at Charlton which has put him in this fantastic position. Would it really be so bad to show some appreciation of that by signing a short term contract? Its not as though he’d be making a pauper of himself by doing it.