It's disappointing that we couldn't keep him a little longer, but we're a medium sized team so we're never going to be able to hold on to our talent indefinitely. What does make it seem a little harder is that we don't even know where he's going. If he'd agreed a deal with a bigger club (though I've no doubt he will) it wouldn't seem quite as harsh a rejection. Ultimately, I don't blame him for going though. If I could earn enough in a single year to keep me comfortable for life, I expect I would go too. I suspect that whatever the current board could offer was too little too late. Perhaps if the previous board hadn't been so out of their depth, we might have had him on a longer contract. But that's all water under the bridge now.
No doubt that he was our best player last season. That said, I expect that his valuation is inflated because of his parentage. It will be certainly be interesting to see if he goes on to fulfil his potential. Good luck Diego and thanks for your part in keeping us up last season. And if you get bored with the splinters in your bum, think of us if you ever request a loan move.
We have, as Charlton supporters, always accepted that it is only possible to hold on to our top players for so long outside the top flight. Twenty league games is, however, a new low for us at this level (I think that Jenkinson only played 8 times for us in League 1 but at least we got a decent fee in the circumstances). In relatively recent times, we used to get a couple of seasons out of our stars before they moved on.
It seems most unlikely that RD could do anything about this and, for all their many faults (of which there were not a few), the Jiminez regime did at least manage to tie down all our promising young players to extended professional contracts, save for one - young Diego. Whilst there may have been other factors in play, that suggests to me that he (and probably his dad and agent) were always going to keep his options open and look to make a move this summer.
Anyway, as someone said earlier in the thread, we are where we are and have to get on with it. One thing we can probably do without is his departure being turned into some kind of political football to try and apportion blame - I reckon we've had enough of that in the last year or so.
I wonder if any of the people who are defending Diego (of whom I am one - don't blame him, I'd have done the same) will change their tune if he ends up signing for Palace?!
My anger has subdued a bit. I think some people are takers in life - somebody who is at a club for 8 years, and positively contributed for 6 months of those 8 years clearly owes the club something. Not legally but morally. You can talk about the club being unstable or what have you, but the fact is, he may not be the player he is today without Charlton. He also had the example set by others in his position to do what is right. I think it is unfair on Jenkinson and Shelvey not to be critical. Maybe he will yet do what Jenkinson did, maybe condemnation has been premature.
Many years ago a colleague had a problem at work and joined the union. When the problem was sorted out by the union they left it again! Now a perfectly legal choice of the individual but an illustration of the type of people that are out there. This was/isn't a straight choice of deciding who you play for- the option was/is still there to go and do the right thing. Jenkinson may not turn out to be as good a player as Poyet, but he will always have far more class - if Poyet does not do similar. To some people it matters - to others it doesn't - get what you can - don't give anything back. You have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day.
It is an academy that hard working fans put money directly into. That fact was acknowledged by DP when he won POTY but not by he's subsequent actions. As I said - some people are takers.
We are so lucky to have this academy, the products of it can be completely pivotal for us for half a season.
I would imagine that the money we got from Parker/Shelvey/Jenkinson etc lasted more than half a season.
As much as it pains me that Poyet has gone, I don't understand some of the comments aimed at him, what about all the players we release after they have commited years of their life to us? If we demand every 'good' player that comes through the academy signs a contract in the name of loyalty, surely those not so 'good' players can expect the same from us?
But that is a fact of life - we release players who don't make it, but we do our best to help them make it. Charlton clearly do a bit better than most in that respect.
We are so lucky to have this academy, the products of it can be completely pivotal for us for half a season.
I would imagine that the money we got from Parker/Shelvey/Jenkinson etc lasted more than half a season.
As much as it pains me that Poyet has gone, I don't understand some of the comments aimed at him, what about all the players we release after they have commited years of their life to us? If we demand every 'good' player that comes through the academy signs a contract in the name of loyalty, surely those not so 'good' players can expect the same from us?
We do this for simon church and he didn't even come through the academy we are so loyal! Haha.
Agree about the money we got, especially for jenkinson, the sale of which got us promoted obviously, but if your players go on a free, it defies the academy. As for the other youth players, if they aren't good enough, they aren't good enough, it is the clubs job to give that player every chance to display their potential to be assessed for if they are good enough for competitive football, and I think Charlton do that quite well
The argument about players we release is utter crap.
We invest time and money in them players, if they don't turn out to be of the quality needed then they're released. Them players are not good enough for us.
So let's flip it round, with Diego, we invested time and money into him for 8 years, we kept him and helped him recover from a pretty serious injury and gave him his debut as a professional. He's fucked the club around with this whole will he sign won't he sign bollocks. It's not like he's too good for us, as is the case with released players.
Those people who are saying 'don't understand the abuse' have you ever sung 'wanker Jermaine Defoe' ?
So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.
So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.
I get it now.
And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".
So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.
I get it now.
And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".
Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this. Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.
It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.
So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.
I get it now.
And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".
Tell me I'm wrong..
You're wrong because you have missed the point.
Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.
Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this. Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.
It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.
I'm not quite sure about this, but weren't the Poyets once close neighbours with someone high up in our coaching staff. If so, there may have been personal convenience or friendship issues bringing him to Charlton.
So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.
I get it now.
And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".
Tell me I'm wrong..
You're wrong because you have missed the point.
Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.
I've not missed the point. The office Staff being let go was part of a redundancy was it not? That doesn't mean no longer required that means cost cutting.
At the end of the day, the club invested a lot of time and money into Diego and in my opinion how he has acted has lacked any morales and class tbh.
To an extent in glad he's gone, he didn't want to be here and we don't need people with an attitude like that going into this up coming season
Defoe moved with his mum off a rough estate with that money...blame the wheeler dealer not a 17 year old. What redknapp did was outrageous...6 Figures under the table.
Scotty P earnt that move by being the best midfielder in the Prem. None of you remember the Scott of McDonalds kid fame then? Was being tapped up with serious cash since he was 13....no one, especially him, was expecting Abramovich to use his money so strategically, eliminating a CL rival by paying 10M for a player he never rated. Scott has had a great career, id have him back in any capacity ... always a Valley Valiant
The new ray wilkins is a taker pure and simple. Its all hype...so egotistical except when he is on the ball. If he didnt spout so much BS, I wouldnt be so critical.
He thinks he is the pied piper of hamlin...shame he cant shape a game to his own tune.
Boring player...looked good in a rubbish team.
Its just my opinion and I will keep the abuse to a minimum.
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No doubt that he was our best player last season. That said, I expect that his valuation is inflated because of his parentage. It will be certainly be interesting to see if he goes on to fulfil his potential. Good luck Diego and thanks for your part in keeping us up last season. And if you get bored with the splinters in your bum, think of us if you ever request a loan move.
We have, as Charlton supporters, always accepted that it is only possible to hold on to our top players for so long outside the top flight. Twenty league games is, however, a new low for us at this level (I think that Jenkinson only played 8 times for us in League 1 but at least we got a decent fee in the circumstances). In relatively recent times, we used to get a couple of seasons out of our stars before they moved on.
It seems most unlikely that RD could do anything about this and, for all their many faults (of which there were not a few), the Jiminez regime did at least manage to tie down all our promising young players to extended professional contracts, save for one - young Diego. Whilst there may have been other factors in play, that suggests to me that he (and probably his dad and agent) were always going to keep his options open and look to make a move this summer.
Anyway, as someone said earlier in the thread, we are where we are and have to get on with it. One thing we can probably do without is his departure being turned into some kind of political football to try and apportion blame - I reckon we've had enough of that in the last year or so.
We ain't seen enough of Poyet to warrant any sort of affinity with him in that way
And let's be honest I think we all knew he was never going to stay
Many years ago a colleague had a problem at work and joined the union. When the problem was sorted out by the union they left it again! Now a perfectly legal choice of the individual but an illustration of the type of people that are out there. This was/isn't a straight choice of deciding who you play for- the option was/is still there to go and do the right thing. Jenkinson may not turn out to be as good a player as Poyet, but he will always have far more class - if Poyet does not do similar. To some people it matters - to others it doesn't - get what you can - don't give anything back. You have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day.
As much as it pains me that Poyet has gone, I don't understand some of the comments aimed at him, what about all the players we release after they have commited years of their life to us? If we demand every 'good' player that comes through the academy signs a contract in the name of loyalty, surely those not so 'good' players can expect the same from us?
We've signed plenty of players on free transfers in the past.
Agree about the money we got, especially for jenkinson, the sale of which got us promoted obviously, but if your players go on a free, it defies the academy. As for the other youth players, if they aren't good enough, they aren't good enough, it is the clubs job to give that player every chance to display their potential to be assessed for if they are good enough for competitive football, and I think Charlton do that quite well
We invest time and money in them players, if they don't turn out to be of the quality needed then they're released. Them players are not good enough for us.
So let's flip it round, with Diego, we invested time and money into him for 8 years, we kept him and helped him recover from a pretty serious injury and gave him his debut as a professional. He's fucked the club around with this whole will he sign won't he sign bollocks. It's not like he's too good for us, as is the case with released players.
Those people who are saying 'don't understand the abuse' have you ever sung 'wanker Jermaine Defoe' ?
I don't agree with that though.
I get it now.
And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".
Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.
It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.
Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.
People are pissed because this sums up modern day football now.
At the end of the day, the club invested a lot of time and money into Diego and in my opinion how he has acted has lacked any morales and class tbh.
To an extent in glad he's gone, he didn't want to be here and we don't need people with an attitude like that going into this up coming season
Bloody hell I look a tit now
You stay classy
sanskank DiegoDo one
Worse than Parker or Defoe IMO
Defoe moved with his mum off a rough estate with that money...blame the wheeler dealer not a 17 year old. What redknapp did was outrageous...6 Figures under the table.
Scotty P earnt that move by being the best midfielder in the Prem. None of you remember the Scott of McDonalds kid fame then? Was being tapped up with serious cash since he was 13....no one, especially him, was expecting Abramovich to use his money so strategically, eliminating a CL rival by paying 10M for a player he never rated. Scott has had a great career, id have him back in any capacity ... always a Valley Valiant
The new ray wilkins is a taker pure and simple. Its all hype...so egotistical except when he is on the ball. If he didnt spout so much BS, I wouldnt be so critical.
He thinks he is the pied piper of hamlin...shame he cant shape a game to his own tune.
Boring player...looked good in a rubbish team.
Its just my opinion and I will keep the abuse to a minimum.
You're a skank poyet