There is no way the granting of an ACV, supported by 2,000 people, would affect the purchase of CAFC in anyway at all.
The Valley, in the grand scheme of things, is without a doubt an asset, but when you're talking multi millions of pounds of investment in the brand Charlton Athletic, then there is not one iota of difference we as fans can make other than to be noisy is our disapproval.
The people looking at buying the Club aren't bothered about where we play or the colour of the kit. They're looking at the Premiership World Wide Brand and they see CAFC as a perfect opportunity into buying into it at this level, in London with fantastic development potential.
We are now just one part of a global marketing tool - no different to buying advertising space at the end of part one of Coronation Street.
I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with it
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.
Everyone has to start somewhere. Do you want to put some money behind them to raise their profile?
No thanks, just replying to Paulie statement that it was a overwhelming majority.
I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with it
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.
Well you saw them, there was the phenomena right before your eyes. Did you sign, or agree/disagree, or did you leave it? </blockquot
Actually acv publicity covered a number of outlets, and I am just trying to recall off the top of my head
The club website Free copies of tnt given out around the ground, might have made votv? Local radio Club radio Supporters groups Bbc website Newsnow Twitter Forums Charlton facebook groups
And more possibly
If you look at any successful petition, they never include all those in support or against. In this case it wasn't required for the application, but as well as an option to oppose, there was no counter campaign, and no objection from cafc. All that exists is a single overwhelmingly positive petition.
The DD was passed, nothing to do with that....as for Curbishley should have left us 2 years before he did ...left us with a poor side Marcus Bent 23000 per week says it all
Fair play that you answered the question. I don't agree.
Could I ask for your clarification re your takeover remarks?
When you say DD was "passed" what do you mean?
And are you suggesting that the DD was completed, buyer and seller were comfortable with the price, and then, to the great surprise of both buyer and seller, ACV was passed, and the buyer went Whooah? And that neither buyer not seller had been aware that this ACV had been on the table for 17 weeks waiting approval?
I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with it
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.
If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
I simply do not understand this. Forget returning to the prem and playing big games week in week out, yes let's fall through the leagues like Luton and play in front of 6k each week. As long as we're at the Valley and we've got 21k empty red seats to look at each home game though, it should be a right laugh!
No but 9 times out of 10 if someone hands me a bit of paper outside a ground it goes straight in a bin, Twitter how many of our ageing support use twitter, sorry razil, I would hedge my bets that many of our ageing fanbase aint got a clue. I've got a mate few years older than me , more die hard not missed a home game for 20 odd years. He aint got a feckin clue what CL is or twitter or facebook. Don't presume everyone does. Be it ignorant I originally expressed a interest in the trust, and receive regular emails, I am a little ashamed to say it, I dont even open them, they come through to my work email and are deleted straight away as I dont have time to read them.
Turn it in Steve. Prague is asking him perfectly legit questions. I don't think it's boring he's got a right to question him.
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Raz, I in no way want to degenerate what you are doing. However you don't necessary speak for the majority of Charlton fans. My parents have not missed a home game for ages. They no nothing of the Trust. They live in East Sussex, don't use the net, don't listen to local radio obviously, are not a member of a Supporters Group, wouldn't have a clue what twitter is etc etc. The two people who sit in front of us likewise. I come up on Valley Express and people ask me what is going on with certain things. I also hear other talking on the coach who also have no clue about what is going on about a great many things. I think that actually our fan base is quite old and the above is not isolated in that fan base but actually quite widespread.
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
Turn it in Steve. Prague is asking him perfectly legit questions. I don't think it's boring he's got a right to question him.
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Weird place on here at times.
I took it that nla knew it would happen as it's happened before ala Zabeel not that he had inside info.
I'm not convinced this is over yet. More twists and turns to come.
I'm with you in this.
With regards to rather watch Charlton in the conference than move from the valley .... I doubt we could afford to stay at the valley if we were in the conference
I very much doubt the ACV has scuppers anything. More like the league position and the realisation that they would need to invest heavily to stand still and wanted this reflected in the price
No but 9 times out of 10 if someone hands me a bit of paper outside a ground it goes straight in a bin, Twitter how many of our ageing support use twitter, sorry razil, I would hedge my bets that many of our ageing fanbase aint got a clue. I've got a mate few years older than me , more die hard not missed a home game for 20 odd years. He aint got a feckin clue what CL is or twitter or facebook. Don't presume everyone does. Be it ignorant I originally expressed a interest in the trust, and receive regular emails, I am a little ashamed to say it, I dont even open them, they come through to my work email and are deleted straight away as I dont have time to read them.
The channels i mentioned cover non electronic ones.
But actually what you say carries some weight
By and large people are on there way to the ground before the match, but still we found a well manned stall with leaflets etc we continued to add and grow petitons and members every time
Meaning once we managed to engage with fans they signed, and with greater coverage and time we would imho have got far far more sigs
Raz, I in no way want to degenerate what you are doing. However you don't necessary speak for the majority of Charlton fans. My parents have not missed a home game for ages. They no nothing of the Trust. They live in East Sussex, don't use the net, don't listen to local radio obviously, are not a member of a Supporters Group, wouldn't have a clue what twitter is etc etc. The two people who sit in front of us likewise. I come up on Valley Express and people ask me what is going on with certain things. I also hear other talking on the coach who also have no clue about what is going on about a great many things. I think that actually our fan base is quite old and the above is not isolated in that fan base but actually quite widespread.
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
I don't think we are in a tail wagging the dog situation here. The simple case is people got organised because they care about Charlton, the ACV is part of that. The trust is not an infiltration.
I am 100% confident the ACV affected nothing. As Red Robin says, Divide and Rule...the timing made it an easy scapregoat for the board. If a buyer is so flaky that ACV which is effectively toothless puts them off then we are better of without and knowing a little about Apollo they are certainly not flaky. In fact in the UK they are more likely asset strippers so I was never convinced they were the saviours people had them down as.
Shame on the SLP for linking ACV with takeover.
On a side note, I would have thought 1900 on votes from an av 15000 crowd is pretty bloody good and well done the Trust for going to such lengths.
If people can't use internet/social media/don't go to the family day/don't pay attention to stands outside the ground and don't pick up copies of TNT that is down to them. The Trust can only canvas so much.
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The Valley, in the grand scheme of things, is without a doubt an asset, but when you're talking multi millions of pounds of investment in the brand Charlton Athletic, then there is not one iota of difference we as fans can make other than to be noisy is our disapproval.
The people looking at buying the Club aren't bothered about where we play or the colour of the kit. They're looking at the Premiership World Wide Brand and they see CAFC as a perfect opportunity into buying into it at this level, in London with fantastic development potential.
We are now just one part of a global marketing tool - no different to buying advertising space at the end of part one of Coronation Street.
The club website
Free copies of tnt given out around the ground, might have made votv?
Local radio
Club radio
Supporters groups
Bbc website
Newsnow
Twitter
Forums
Charlton facebook groups
And more possibly
If you look at any successful petition, they never include all those in support or against. In this case it wasn't required for the application, but as well as an option to oppose, there was no counter campaign, and no objection from cafc. All that exists is a single overwhelmingly positive petition.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20130722-have-a-say-in-the-valleys-future-935037.aspx
Some clubs have opposed acv.
R
Could I ask for your clarification re your takeover remarks?
When you say DD was "passed" what do you mean?
And are you suggesting that the DD was completed, buyer and seller were
comfortable with the price, and then, to the great surprise of both buyer and seller, ACV was passed, and the buyer went Whooah? And that neither buyer not seller had been aware that this ACV had been on the table for 17 weeks waiting approval?
I simply do not understand this. Forget returning to the prem and playing big games week in week out, yes let's fall through the leagues like Luton and play in front of 6k each week. As long as we're at the Valley and we've got 21k empty red seats to look at each home game though, it should be a right laugh!
Two blokes with a painting table
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Weird place on here at times.
Did M Mouse and D Duck also sign?
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
As a matter of fact....
Actually harvey and floyd are real as if found out when i got a photo call with her ( the cat one)
With regards to rather watch Charlton in the conference than move from the valley .... I doubt we could afford to stay at the valley if we were in the conference
I very much doubt the ACV has scuppers anything. More like the league position and the realisation that they would need to invest heavily to stand still and wanted this reflected in the price
But actually what you say carries some weight
By and large people are on there way to the ground before the match, but still we found a well manned stall with leaflets etc we continued to add and grow petitons and members every time
Meaning once we managed to engage with fans they signed, and with greater coverage and time we would imho have got far far more sigs
The trust is not an infiltration.
I'm pretty sick at the snidey comments the supporters trust are getting tho. All in it together folks. Yeh ok.
Shame on the SLP for linking ACV with takeover.
On a side note, I would have thought 1900 on votes from an av 15000 crowd is pretty bloody good and well done the Trust for going to such lengths.
If people can't use internet/social media/don't go to the family day/don't pay attention to stands outside the ground and don't pick up copies of TNT that is down to them. The Trust can only canvas so much.