I find the ACV a bit ironic in that the Trust want us all to have a say if the Club were to try and leave The Valley but fail to canvas the support as a whole before applying for it. For all they now the majority may have been against the whole idea but heyho eh.
I'm not sure if the ACV has proved a stumbling block or not but I can quite conceivably see how it might not gave helped.
Considering there was a petition online for this and outside the ground there was also a petition I am sure the majority agreed otherwise I don't feel they would of gone through with it
Do me a favour two blokes on a pasting table outside the north stand unless you are a forum user yoi wouldn't have a friggin clue.
If the acv has stopped us being taken over and moved then good. Might be short sighted, narrow minded or whatever but to me, the valley is charlton. Would rather watch us in the conference at the valley than the champions league at some new prefab.
I simply do not understand this. Forget returning to the prem and playing big games week in week out, yes let's fall through the leagues like Luton and play in front of 6k each week. As long as we're at the Valley and we've got 21k empty red seats to look at each home game though, it should be a right laugh!
No but 9 times out of 10 if someone hands me a bit of paper outside a ground it goes straight in a bin, Twitter how many of our ageing support use twitter, sorry razil, I would hedge my bets that many of our ageing fanbase aint got a clue. I've got a mate few years older than me , more die hard not missed a home game for 20 odd years. He aint got a feckin clue what CL is or twitter or facebook. Don't presume everyone does. Be it ignorant I originally expressed a interest in the trust, and receive regular emails, I am a little ashamed to say it, I dont even open them, they come through to my work email and are deleted straight away as I dont have time to read them.
Turn it in Steve. Prague is asking him perfectly legit questions. I don't think it's boring he's got a right to question him.
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Raz, I in no way want to degenerate what you are doing. However you don't necessary speak for the majority of Charlton fans. My parents have not missed a home game for ages. They no nothing of the Trust. They live in East Sussex, don't use the net, don't listen to local radio obviously, are not a member of a Supporters Group, wouldn't have a clue what twitter is etc etc. The two people who sit in front of us likewise. I come up on Valley Express and people ask me what is going on with certain things. I also hear other talking on the coach who also have no clue about what is going on about a great many things. I think that actually our fan base is quite old and the above is not isolated in that fan base but actually quite widespread.
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
Turn it in Steve. Prague is asking him perfectly legit questions. I don't think it's boring he's got a right to question him.
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Weird place on here at times.
I took it that nla knew it would happen as it's happened before ala Zabeel not that he had inside info.
I'm not convinced this is over yet. More twists and turns to come.
I'm with you in this.
With regards to rather watch Charlton in the conference than move from the valley .... I doubt we could afford to stay at the valley if we were in the conference
I very much doubt the ACV has scuppers anything. More like the league position and the realisation that they would need to invest heavily to stand still and wanted this reflected in the price
No but 9 times out of 10 if someone hands me a bit of paper outside a ground it goes straight in a bin, Twitter how many of our ageing support use twitter, sorry razil, I would hedge my bets that many of our ageing fanbase aint got a clue. I've got a mate few years older than me , more die hard not missed a home game for 20 odd years. He aint got a feckin clue what CL is or twitter or facebook. Don't presume everyone does. Be it ignorant I originally expressed a interest in the trust, and receive regular emails, I am a little ashamed to say it, I dont even open them, they come through to my work email and are deleted straight away as I dont have time to read them.
The channels i mentioned cover non electronic ones.
But actually what you say carries some weight
By and large people are on there way to the ground before the match, but still we found a well manned stall with leaflets etc we continued to add and grow petitons and members every time
Meaning once we managed to engage with fans they signed, and with greater coverage and time we would imho have got far far more sigs
Raz, I in no way want to degenerate what you are doing. However you don't necessary speak for the majority of Charlton fans. My parents have not missed a home game for ages. They no nothing of the Trust. They live in East Sussex, don't use the net, don't listen to local radio obviously, are not a member of a Supporters Group, wouldn't have a clue what twitter is etc etc. The two people who sit in front of us likewise. I come up on Valley Express and people ask me what is going on with certain things. I also hear other talking on the coach who also have no clue about what is going on about a great many things. I think that actually our fan base is quite old and the above is not isolated in that fan base but actually quite widespread.
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
I don't think we are in a tail wagging the dog situation here. The simple case is people got organised because they care about Charlton, the ACV is part of that. The trust is not an infiltration.
I am 100% confident the ACV affected nothing. As Red Robin says, Divide and Rule...the timing made it an easy scapregoat for the board. If a buyer is so flaky that ACV which is effectively toothless puts them off then we are better of without and knowing a little about Apollo they are certainly not flaky. In fact in the UK they are more likely asset strippers so I was never convinced they were the saviours people had them down as.
Shame on the SLP for linking ACV with takeover.
On a side note, I would have thought 1900 on votes from an av 15000 crowd is pretty bloody good and well done the Trust for going to such lengths.
If people can't use internet/social media/don't go to the family day/don't pay attention to stands outside the ground and don't pick up copies of TNT that is down to them. The Trust can only canvas so much.
ACV does not prevent a move from the Valley. It is purely there in case some shark / desperate broke owner tries to sell the Valley to run off with the money / recoup losses from sale of the ground. The result of that being that Charlton ended up ground sharing with Orient / West Ham / C Palace or Millwall. It allows for a small gap for the fans to respond and try to stay at the Valley.
Any new (decent) owner, would want to communicate with the fanbase / customers of Charlton / new business – particularly if suggesting a stadium move.
Any decent owner has nothing to fear from ACV, Charlton supporters or the Trust. ACV does not prevent any positive moves from the club. The idea that ACV prevents any decent owners from taking over the club as Charlton fans are not prepared to move from the Valley in a positive move is just plain wrong / misguided. ACV if anything can enhance a bid for a stadium on the Peninisula.
There is a good chance that some in the Council would prefer Social Housing at the Valley and posh new superflats on the Peninsula with no pesky football club or supporters to deal with. ACV picks up Charlton as a stakeholder and if a company wants to be part of the Peninsula and wants a stadium there, the fact that Charlton Athletic is at the Valley as a recognised stakeholder is helpful. Council can make a deal for Social Housing in exchange for approval of an agreement for a new stadium.
ACV is about Charlton retaining a home in the Charlton area, and if you oppose ACV for me, it is not supporting Charlton in the Greenwich area / Peninsula. If as a Charlton fan you support that, then you should support the Trust and ACV.
I never said we speak for them we merely present what fans we have approached say, we have covered an awful lot of channels with very limited manpower, but still reached a large number
I would absolutely love to have been able to contact every single fan and explain acv, rather than the slice that we have managed to, but I can tell you we have made a massive effort so far to do so I can assure you.
Some people have still never heard of the trust, yet we have distributed 8500?? Tnt 3000 of which were given away free with the match day programme, 2000 publicised acv also given away free.
We had stalls in the west, outside the shop, the lib, and many outside the north, and at club day, sounds like we could have had a lot more in the East, praps we'll keep the petition open and see just how many we can get who knows.
I know everyone is gutted about the proposed takeover not going ahead, and that with are left with the uncertainity of MS and TJ but Charlton fans need to get a grip.
The only one who can really tell you why they have not taken over the club is Josh Harris. IMO, It is unlikely to have anything to do with ACV.
Raz, I in no way want to degenerate what you are doing. However you don't necessary speak for the majority of Charlton fans. My parents have not missed a home game for ages. They no nothing of the Trust. They live in East Sussex, don't use the net, don't listen to local radio obviously, are not a member of a Supporters Group, wouldn't have a clue what twitter is etc etc. The two people who sit in front of us likewise. I come up on Valley Express and people ask me what is going on with certain things. I also hear other talking on the coach who also have no clue about what is going on about a great many things. I think that actually our fan base is quite old and the above is not isolated in that fan base but actually quite widespread.
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
What do you expect the Trust to do Large, come round and knock on your Mum and Dad's front door? If people live outside the club's main catchment area and don't make any effort to communicate with the world using modern means it's going to be very hard for the Trust to reach them.
We get a minority of the population sufficiently informed and exorcised to take part in General elections, with something like Football Club politics you're only ever going get a tiny minority taking an active interest. Most people want to know the score on a Saturday and the headline news like signings and sacking and that's about it.
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I simply do not understand this. Forget returning to the prem and playing big games week in week out, yes let's fall through the leagues like Luton and play in front of 6k each week. As long as we're at the Valley and we've got 21k empty red seats to look at each home game though, it should be a right laugh!
Two blokes with a painting table
I find it interesting that nla tells us that we shouldn't be shocked about this fall thru as he knew this would happen - but then bitches that EK don't share their info.
Weird place on here at times.
Did M Mouse and D Duck also sign?
So no I don't ignore facts that don't suit my view but it seems you quite likely are ignoring great swaths of our fanbase. I'm quite sure you could arrange for each coach to have copies of your magazine on board for each traveller to have a copy etc etc, hand out leaflets at turnstiles other than those at the North Stand.
As said I'm not against what you are doing at all but I don't think you can in any way say you speak for the majority of Charlton fans as a great many know nothing about you at all.
As a matter of fact....
Actually harvey and floyd are real as if found out when i got a photo call with her ( the cat one)
With regards to rather watch Charlton in the conference than move from the valley .... I doubt we could afford to stay at the valley if we were in the conference
I very much doubt the ACV has scuppers anything. More like the league position and the realisation that they would need to invest heavily to stand still and wanted this reflected in the price
But actually what you say carries some weight
By and large people are on there way to the ground before the match, but still we found a well manned stall with leaflets etc we continued to add and grow petitons and members every time
Meaning once we managed to engage with fans they signed, and with greater coverage and time we would imho have got far far more sigs
The trust is not an infiltration.
I'm pretty sick at the snidey comments the supporters trust are getting tho. All in it together folks. Yeh ok.
Shame on the SLP for linking ACV with takeover.
On a side note, I would have thought 1900 on votes from an av 15000 crowd is pretty bloody good and well done the Trust for going to such lengths.
If people can't use internet/social media/don't go to the family day/don't pay attention to stands outside the ground and don't pick up copies of TNT that is down to them. The Trust can only canvas so much.
Any new (decent) owner, would want to communicate with the fanbase / customers of Charlton / new business – particularly if suggesting a stadium move.
Any decent owner has nothing to fear from ACV, Charlton supporters or the Trust. ACV does not prevent any positive moves from the club. The idea that ACV prevents any decent owners from taking over the club as Charlton fans are not prepared to move from the Valley in a positive move is just plain wrong / misguided. ACV if anything can enhance a bid for a stadium on the Peninisula.
There is a good chance that some in the Council would prefer Social Housing at the Valley and posh new superflats on the Peninsula with no pesky football club or supporters to deal with. ACV picks up Charlton as a stakeholder and if a company wants to be part of the Peninsula and wants a stadium there, the fact that Charlton Athletic is at the Valley as a recognised stakeholder is helpful. Council can make a deal for Social Housing in exchange for approval of an agreement for a new stadium.
ACV is about Charlton retaining a home in the Charlton area, and if you oppose ACV for me, it is not supporting Charlton in the Greenwich area / Peninsula. If as a Charlton fan you support that, then you should support the Trust and ACV.
I would absolutely love to have been able to contact every single fan and explain acv, rather than the slice that we have managed to, but I can tell you we have made a massive effort so far to do so I can assure you.
Some people have still never heard of the trust, yet we have distributed 8500?? Tnt 3000 of which were given away free with the match day programme, 2000 publicised acv also given away free.
We had stalls in the west, outside the shop, the lib, and many outside the north, and at club day, sounds like we could have had a lot more in the East, praps we'll keep the petition open and see just how many we can get who knows.
The only one who can really tell you why they have not taken over the club is Josh Harris. IMO, It is unlikely to have anything to do with ACV.
We get a minority of the population sufficiently informed and exorcised to take part in General elections, with something like Football Club politics you're only ever going get a tiny minority taking an active interest. Most people want to know the score on a Saturday and the headline news like signings and sacking and that's about it.