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Church Injured?

After Church limped off last night (it seemed he took a knock in an aerial challenge), who plays up front on Saturday, with Kermorgant unlikely to be fit? Piggott still needs time to mature before becoming a starting striker in my view, so we are in desperate need. Obika to join before Saturday?
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  • I don't really know what to suggest!

    Poor Pigott must have been wondering whether He would ever get on! Church was pretty much begging to come off!
  • Church says on his twitter it was just a knock and should be okay for Saturday
  • Powell himself said it was just a knock at that he should be fine Saturday (along with the possibility of Kermorgant) - No point risking getting another Striker injured
  • Church is a cross between Bradley Allen and Gary Nelson and Sponge Bob squarePants Foot
    The lack of power in his shooting boots is frightening
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.
  • Always try Devite if worse comes to worse.
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    Dire? What he is, is a raw young pro that has a bit of promise about him. What he needs is a bit of nurturing and some encouragement. Being thrown in at the deep end against millwall did him no favours. Powell seems to rate him and that's good enough in my book.
  • if you are paul sturgess you wernt to clever yourself tbh

  • Pigott is not dire, I have watched him for three years and he is a 19 year old learning his trade. Some fans are writing him off after seeing him for a couple of games, I despair.
  • if you are paul sturgess you wernt to clever yourself tbh




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  • if you are paul sturgess you wernt to clever yourself tbh

    Hahaha.
    chazza said:

    Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    Dire? What he is, is a raw young pro that has a bit of promise about him. What he needs is a bit of nurturing and some encouragement. Being thrown in at the deep end against millwall did him no favours. Powell seems to rate him and that's good enough in my book.
    I know he's young. I clearly stated that myself. But he's older than Callum Harriot and Jordan Cousins. Both of those showed genuine "promise" in their first couple of games. I know it was Millwall but he looked painfully inadequate in that game and last night he showed a bit of endeavour but no real quality. I appreciate he needs encouragement and he may well turn out to be an adequate striker in 2 or 3 years time, but the purpose of my comment - in the context of this thread - was to point out that he does not appear to be good enough / ready to play the role he has been afforded in the current squad - i.e. a 3rd or 4th choice striker. The thought of us relying on him to start games in the absence of Kerm and Church is alarming.
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    For some reason those who have seen him a lot more than you and I place him ahead of Azeez and Smith.
  • I'm pretty confident Pigott will answer his critics in the best possible way, on the pitch. Young he may be, but he's already better than Sordell in my books. Ideally I'd like to see him play alongside Kermit, since he would get the ball in the right areas then, like against Welling when he got 3 goals from Kermit's assists.
  • Wasnt it Pigott heading it out the box that resulted in Cousins hitting the bar?
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    if you are paul sturgess you wernt to clever yourself tbh

    Hahaha.
    chazza said:

    Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    Dire? What he is, is a raw young pro that has a bit of promise about him. What he needs is a bit of nurturing and some encouragement. Being thrown in at the deep end against millwall did him no favours. Powell seems to rate him and that's good enough in my book.
    I know he's young. I clearly stated that myself. But he's older than Callum Harriot and Jordan Cousins. Both of those showed genuine "promise" in their first couple of games. I know it was Millwall but he looked painfully inadequate in that game and last night he showed a bit of endeavour but no real quality. I appreciate he needs encouragement and he may well turn out to be an adequate striker in 2 or 3 years time, but the purpose of my comment - in the context of this thread - was to point out that he does not appear to be good enough / ready to play the role he has been afforded in the current squad - i.e. a 3rd or 4th choice striker. The thought of us relying on him to start games in the absence of Kerm and Church is alarming.
    "Dire" may be a bit strong, but basically you are right. I've watched Pigott in all his first-team games: he is clumsy, with a poor first touch and no aerial presence. He lacks the mobility and agility of Kermorgant, for instance, and those weaknesses are a function of his physique, which is unlikely to change with training or experience. He might do well with a club in League Two.

    Another player who doesn't have the physical qualities or technical abilities necessary for a strong team in the Championship is Harriott. He was a liability yesterday, playing centrally just behind the strikers: regularly brushed off the ball and conceding possession - like Pritchard against Millwall - that could easily have been costly. He is ineffective on the wing, too: Championship defenders are wise to those step-overs, which ultimately fool no-one but Harriott himself. Again, he could make an impact in League Two.

  • are you paul sturgess genuine question, because if you are mate your first touch was poor and your positioning was ok which was good because you seemed as slow as bassey can you explain how that was when you played with a ball all day
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    I feel pigott had a decent ten minutes or so when he came on yesterday still learning his trade but definite signs of improvment
  • Piggott is dire I'm afraid. I appreciate he's young etc etc but I can't see him cutting it. He has to try so hard just to control the ball and his attempts to win headers are comical - and the one he did win yesterday he headed back out of THEIR box.

    Think a few games under his belt you might be eating your words.
  • After Church limped off last night (it seemed he took a knock in an aerial challenge)

    Well, the "knock" must be quite low down on his body, because the fella can't jump more than 6 inches off the ground. It deffo won't be any sort of head wound, unless he head-butted his opponents hip.

    IMHO, he is not going to get the goals to keep us out of the bottom three.

    The left footed close range miss last night showed he is not a 15 goal a season predatory striker.
  • edited October 2013
    No NLA I'm not Paul Sturgess. If I was I'd be plugging a hose into my exhaust pipe as punishment for what I did when I left Charlton.

    Hope you're all right about Piggott, but have to say I disagree that he had a decent ten minutes yesterday. He wasn't as pitiful as he was against Millwall but he was very cumbersome with the ball on the ground and missed a couple of good opportunities to help progress breaks by taking so long to get the ball under control. And the use of the word 'dire' may have been harsh in respect of Piggott's overall footballing ability, but it certainly wasn't for his attempts at heading.

    I hope he improves and he may well do. But the point I am making is, as much as we'd all like him to crack on, score goals and establish himself, and regardless of whether he will be capable of doing that in the future, I don't think he is anywhere near good enough to do that now and we have a problem if we are looking at the possibility of him being in the first xi frequently this season.

    Disagree with viewfinder about Harriot. He certainly isn't the finished article and does make mistakes, but he does also in periods cause problems and scare defenders. Unlike Piggott, worthy of being in the reckoning and competing with Stewart in my view.
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  • shame you aint as we were talking about you last night, well how nice your ex is 8)
  • Disagree strongly with Viewfinder about Harriott. Claiming he "could make an impact in League Two" is quite ridiculous when you consider he's already made an impact two leagues higher.

    He's got pace, skill and energy which immediately worries defenders and gives them something to think about. Having a player that occupies defenders, can beat a man and has a burst within him will free up others to play.

    His usage of the ball needs more work, but will come with experience. People will always get frustrated with a stepover when it doesn't work because it looks bad. But that ability to make something out of nothing is something we lack without Fuller.
  • The truth about Piggott is that he is neither dire nor is he better than Sordell, he is a young forward who is at the beginning of his career. The difference between him and Harriot is reflected in the positions they play. Piggott plays as a target man and has yet to build the bulk to work against hairy arsed centre halves. give him time before judging him, we know he is not ready now but in a year or twos time .. we don't know.
  • Piggott forced their keeper to make a good save and actually did win a couple of headers.He did more in ten minutes than Church did for however long he was on for.A church of the bricks and mortar variety can jump higher than its footballing namesake.

    Still cheer him on though.
  • edited October 2013
    Personally I think its wrong to write off Joe Piggott , sure he can improve in all area's , i was desperate for him to score last night when he came on as he looks like he needs a goal to boost his confidence, when Morrison blasted over the bar near the end , i wish it had fallen to Joe , as i was sure he would have buried it.
  • Dire, pitiful, cumbersome and nowhere near good enough is how I would describe your posts more than Piggot.
  • edited October 2013
    Game after game, our keeper Rob Elliot used to launch balls at Paul Benson, up front. The balls were accurate, and Benson is tall - taller than most of the opposing defenders - but he never won them in the air. In the first half against Forest, Hamer regularly aimed at Sordell; again, the balls were precise, yet Sordell has no aerial presence and this strategy was ditched at half-time.

    I was watching Church as he suffered his injury: he jumped to challenge, and was clutching his leg almost before he hit the ground. It wasn't a contact injury - looked like a muscle strain or pulled hamstring.

    On the subject of Harriott, I've yet to be convinced of his merit. Have a look again at the approach to our goal against Forest, posted elsewhere on this site. It was quickfire passing on the edge of the box - the rapid geometry of movement - that made space and unlocked their defence. Step-overs on the wing with two defenders in your ear rarely achieve more than a throw-in.


  • On the subject of Harriott, I've yet to be convinced of his merit. Have a look again at the approach to our goal against Forest, posted elsewhere on this site. It was quickfire passing on the edge of the box - the rapid geometry of movement - that made space and unlocked their defence. Step-overs on the wing with two defenders in your ear rarely achieve more than a throw-in.

    yes, but without watching the goal again it was a pass from Gower to Harriot who turned away from his marker inside the box and had a shot that was blocked. The ball fell to Wilson and we know the rest. So Harriot was instrumental in our the "rapid geometry of movement".

    Harriot was playing at the top of a diamond. Not a formation we have played often and he never (in the first team at least) and no I didn't think he did very well.

    But as a site we seem to lurch from one good performance = great player, one below parr performance = League two at best. Cousins was part of a losing team at Burnley and scored 6.14 on the CL statbank. Four days later he is the next Parker/Bowyer/Gerrard.

    Cousins, Harriot, Pigott are good, promising but most importantly young players learning their trade in a not so great side which is struggling for form and goals. They will have good games and bad games. At least give them a few months before we praise them to high heaven or write them off as "dire"

  • Cousins, Harriot, Pigott are good, promising but most importantly young players learning their trade in a not so great side which is struggling for form and goals. They will have good games and bad games. At least give them a few months before we praise them to high heaven or write them off as "dire"

    Glad someone said that.

    Young players, however talented, will always be inconsistent - and their bad days tend to stand out because they haven't yet learnt the tricks the old pros use to hide when they're having an off-day.

    And youngsters are going to be doubly inconsistent in a side in which the older heads who should be showing them the way are themselves low on form and confidence. Even Shelvey, probably a class above any of the current crop of youngsters, struggled to make much impact in a failing Charlton side.

    I think we saw enough of the good side of Joe Pigott's play in the cup game v Oxford to realise he could be a fine player.Given time there is no reason why he should not learn to perform like that against higher quality opposition.

  • Hold on a minute, is Church injured ?
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