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Francis' Last Game For The Addicks

edited September 2011 in General Charlton
That's got to be it, hasn't it?  That was the most dire half of football I can remember seeing from an individual player.  You know it's bad when a defender gets subbed at half time. Not a tactical change, not an injury, just an acknowledgement that here's a guy well out of his depth.  I felt sorry for him when he was booed at the start.  I half wanted to confront the booers, but decided to take the cowards way out and say nothing.  Boy, am I glad I did.  Imagine what a mug you could look sticking up for a player for him to put in a performance like that.  

It wasn't just getting a few things wrong, he looked totally bewildered.  His positioning poor, tackling poor and every time he kicked the ball it went to the opposition.  Deep down I'm sure that he's a decent footballer;  I don't see how he'd have become a professional unless he was.  The trouble is his self belief has plummeted to the level where he looks like he hasn't the first clue what to do.  I can't see him ever getting his confidence back all the time he's with us.  Just how many decent games would he have to play now to shut the boo boys up?  It's not going to happen, is it?  For his sake and for ours he needs to move on as quickly as possible.
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  • CP said he subbed him because he was worried he'd be sent off. Yeah right !!

    As you say absolutely awful. And there was Masicat saying the other day he should come into the first team at left back to replace Wiggins. I hope she was there tonight to witness that performance.
  • Francis is a shit footballer - end of. No amount of decent crosses into the box (the only thing he's able to do with any effectiveness, and even those are infrequent) make up for his total lack of positional awareness, appalling first touch, inability to consistently pass a ball to a teammate less than ten yards away, absence of tackling ability and turning circle of an oil tanker. He is up there with Traore, Faye and El Khlaej as one of the worst players we've had in the last fifteen years.
  • In a weird way Francis performance was the most enjoyable part of the night for me - it was so bad it became funny
  • edited September 2011
    Leroy - he's had far more great performances for us than those three combined.

    Not that they are many, but he doesn't deserve the sort of extreme criticism he's received.

    Yes he should go. He's a player reliant on confidence and self-assurance, something which hasn't been granted to him or many others in the last few years. But he didn't deny Charlton promotion single-handedly, nor did he cost us the game tonight. There were many others.

    He is a honest hard worker who can play a part in a thriving side in the L1 mid-table mix, where any time spent outside the top six won't be "rewarded" with castration.

    He's not good enough for the goals Charlton currently have. But he's not even close to being the club's worst ever player.
  • sorry Liam but I disagree. He is one of the worst players I've seen at Charlton since I started supporting in 1972. He is hopeless. Everything he did tonight was wrong. He was at fault for the first goal. Like Marcus Bent I wonder how he's managed to make a living out of playing football.
  • If branding players associated with last season's disastrous campaign as the worst ever above players who truly deserve it for their pitiful attempts to wear the shirt during better times, let alone rough ones, helps any fans pretend that 2010/11 didn't happen, then by all means I completely understand.
  • edited September 2011
    But that's not how it is Liam, is it?  If that were the reason we'd be on at Jackson and BWP.  Nobody is though because they are quality players who more often than not play well for us.  Francis on the other hand has occasionally played well but has regularly played badly.  Very badly.
  • I thought Jason Euell had an absolute stinker tonight and only showed teamwork with the offside flag. Andy Hughes was also of no use after looking like he'd stand up to the physicality of Preston in the opening moments.

    I also thought Jackson and BWP had games, particularly during last season's troubled times, where they weren't contributing hardly at all. Went invisible often until BWP showed more to his game this campaign and Jackson in his capacity as new captain started pulling the strings more.

    I appear to be alone in these thoughts. And this is the problem. Not that I disagree that the Francis at Charlton experiment is well and truly over, and has been since the manager who signed him and had ideas as to how to play him left, but that fans can be so selective as to who gets called out on what mistakes, to what extent and why.


  • Francis isn't the worst player to pull on the shirt, Reading proved that - but i can't remember a worse performance than his tonight.  I felt sorry for him to be honest, he knew he wasn't getting anything right and he was clearly trying to correct it, but every time he did it just got worse.  He's an honest pro, he's nowhere near as bad as his performance tonight, but I tend to agree that he needs to go somewhere else or it will kill the rest of his career. 
  • But why the hell were people booing him before the game had even started? I read that he had a great game against Reading. Perhaps the pre match booing had something to do with his poor performance last night!
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  • edited September 2011
    I thought Jason Euell had an absolute stinker tonight and only showed teamwork with the offside flag. Andy Hughes was also of no use after looking like he'd stand up to the physicality of Preston in the opening moments.

    I also thought Jackson and BWP had games, particularly during last season's troubled times, where they weren't contributing hardly at all. Went invisible often until BWP showed more to his game this campaign and Jackson in his capacity as new captain started pulling the strings more.

    I appear to be alone in these thoughts. And this is the problem. Not that I disagree that the Francis at Charlton experiment is well and truly over, and has been since the manager who signed him and had ideas as to how to play him left, but that fans can be so selective as to who gets called out on what mistakes, to what extent and why.


    If it makes you feel any better Liam, I agree with all of that.
  • But why the hell were people booing him before the game had even started? I read that he had a great game against Reading. Perhaps the pre match booing had something to do with his poor performance last night!
    I will never understand this.....people have bad games......but, like the team overall, we as fans should move on to the next game and support each individual.......why boo someone before the game has started.....we all know football players form is a confidence thing, booing someone on your own side before a ball is kicked is just weird!
  • The booing started after his first mistake and he never got it together after that
  • He was no worse last night than he was in any of his other blundering performances from last season, I am sure someone who wasn't there will come on here & defend him though. Still at least he's tall.
  • But why the hell were people booing him before the game had even started? I read that he had a great game against Reading. Perhaps the pre match booing had something to do with his poor performance last night!
    I was thinking the same, except the last part if that was the case grow a pair its a mans game
  • sorry Liam but I disagree. He is one of the worst players I've seen at Charlton since I started supporting in 1972. He is hopeless. Everything he did tonight was wrong. He was at fault for the first goal. Like Marcus Bent I wonder how he's managed to make a living out of playing football.
    The major fault for the first goal lies with Andy Hughes who was marking the scorer, just as the cross comes in he steps away from his player leaving him free to score.
  • For me the issue is far bigger than one player now. I'm sure there are many who think the day Francis finally departs Charlton will draw a line under some sort of plague of bad footballers attacking their beloved, wonderful team, but give it time and it'll be clear that the problem actually never left.

    And at the frightening rate of irrelevant and sidestepping "I pay good money for my blah blah seat/ticket, I have a right to my blah blah opinion" I constantly hear in response, the problem never will leave, either.
  • I thought Jason Euell had an absolute stinker tonight and only showed teamwork with the offside flag. Andy Hughes was also of no use after looking like he'd stand up to the physicality of Preston in the opening moments.

    I also thought Jackson and BWP had games, particularly during last season's troubled times, where they weren't contributing hardly at all. Went invisible often until BWP showed more to his game this campaign and Jackson in his capacity as new captain started pulling the strings more.

    I appear to be alone in these thoughts. And this is the problem. Not that I disagree that the Francis at Charlton experiment is well and truly over, and has been since the manager who signed him and had ideas as to how to play him left, but that fans can be so selective as to who gets called out on what mistakes, to what extent and why.


    If it makes you feel any better Liam, I agree with all of that.
    I agree completely with Liam too. I don't buy all this a squad needs 'experienced' players stuff. Euell & Hughes are a waste of 2 squad places for which we surely could have brought in better players. Plus I'm hoping there is some truth in Powells statement that he subbed Francis as he didn't want him to be sent off (as being suspended may have jepordised / delayed any loan move he hopefully has lined up).
  • edited September 2011
    Those two points though liam are detached and generalising the point made by others. You want to defend Francis then fine, its always good to have two sides to a story and you articulate it well.

    But the simple point being made is for a lot of us, he is definately one of the worst players we've seen play for the club, certainly when you consider it isn't just an unfit cameo like mike small or el khalej, but a run of 40-50 apps.

    That's not blaming him for where we are now, or why we didn't make it last season, its just staying a simple point.

    We debate our best players and we debate our worst, that's the sort of topics that crop up on message boards.
  • To be honest I think we should close this thread now, it is obvious that we would love basically to get rid of him. It now feels like kicking what I'm sure is a nice young man, when he's down. He is going to have to lower his sights career wise, so let's just leave him to get on with it, safe in the knowledge that we won't have to see him in the first team again.
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  • edited September 2011
    As Liam suggests, whether Francis is good enough or not is not the real issue here, is it?
    As Choice says:
    The booing started after his first mistake and he never got it together after that
    And the harder he tried, the worse he got.

    Sooner or later, Francis will move on....... and good luck to him; he was a player who got off to a poor start and had the monkeys on his back after that.

    But then the monkeys will pick a new victim. And so the circus continues.
  • Agree with all of that Oggy.
  • Thank you Oggy. And there's the thing AKFA, I'm not defending Francis at all. There was no defending the performance last night. But there is such a thing as showing perspective and shades of grey when it comes to his tenure at the club as a whole.

    Unfortunately, there is also such a thing as pinpointing one specific target to channel one's frustrations.

    As has been pointed out, if someone is going to be booed before a game when their last performance was one as strong, confident and determined at the Reading game, why would he even care about trying to win fans over or fight for a place in the team?

    And explaining the premise of debating best/worst players is ironic when it's being used as your argument against me joining in that debate, only in disagreement to the majority.
  • And funnily enough I pay for my ticket.

    I'm not interested in 'shades of grey' that's a cover for players that are usually not mentally strong enough to play for Charlton.

    If it's so hard playing at The Valley I point these players towards the Toolbox.

    Wouldn't last two minutes. They'd suss em out by half time.

    Amazing that we are top of the league and people are still trying to dig the supporters out.

    It's never the players fault is it.
  • I don't pay for my ticket.  I normally bunk in or cadge a freebie so I'm staying out of this debate.

    PS is it wrong to eat popcorn for breakfast?
  • Too right you're not interested in 'shades of grey' by the sounds of things. I mean who actually came on here and said that only supporters OR players can be criticised, one or the other not both?

    It's pretty evident that there are pockets of both at this club that are more interested in pointing fingers and finding excuses than trying to improve their efforts.

    Of course, fans don't have to make effort, I hear 100 times! They pay the players wages, not the other way around, right? But from some of the emotions I've seen on these forums and at the stadium. It appears to me that nonetheless these fans want the team to be a success.

    And despite that, the reaction of many is the exact opposite of the definition of the world 'supporter'.

    But yes, we're all entitled to opinions and we're all entitled to shoot ourselves in the foot if we're that addicted to the sight of our own blood.

    There's not much more I can add to this, really, other than on the day Francis finds another club:

    "Charlton's worst ever player is dead. Long live Charlton's worst ever player."
  • Francis is by no way our worst ever player and booing him is bullshine.

    It's pretty evident to me that, at the moment, we are top of the league and rather than talk about that we get veiled digs at the supporters.

    Maybe look at Chris Solly's attitude and application perhaps?
  • I don't pay for my ticket.  I normally bunk in or cadge a freebie so I'm staying out of this debate.

    PS is it wrong to eat popcorn for breakfast?
    Not if you have been locked in the multiplex all night.
  • Funny how the game Francis had Vs. Reading seems to have gone off the radar.

    Scapegoat much?!

  • AFKA has hit the nail on the head. This isn't a preformance from an injury recovering loan player, this is a set of performances from a player that was Southend Utds player of the season. How he accomplished this I will never know.

    Last season Francis stumbled from one bad performance to another. He gave Bristol Rovers their comeback goal at their place, and was involved in too many mishaps than not. A full back is a full back. If you don't see him he is doing his job.

    There will always be scapegoats etc, this is football ... but for all concerned Francis needs to move on. For his own career. But on that performance would you take him on loan ?
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