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Assessing Our Recruitment
CafcSteve
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The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.
Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.
You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.
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Who says we are looking to only sign 2 new players ?0
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Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.0
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Jones apparently said it a few weeks back in an interview that he did with someone.golfaddick said:Who says we are looking to only sign 2 new players ?
That might end up changing but we still need to make sure we get the signings right.0 -
God knows who or what we are looking for, id imagine defenders maybe left back?Id like striker and centre mid and bring back kanu and asimwe0
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Why bring them back? What are they doing that suggests they can do it in the championship, when neither pulled up trees in league 1?.2121 said:God knows who or what we are looking for, id imagine defenders maybe left back?Id like striker and centre mid and bring back kanu and asimwe6 -
Think the initial 'Looking for 2 Athletic players' came out last week.
No idea who/what we are looking at, but there is always longstanding rumours around Bree and Fakuda. You'd imagine that we'd want a ST too!
Hopefully JEdwards isnt out for much longer, otherwise youd hope an incoming LB/LWB is on that list too, as it feels apparent that the Hernandez experiment hasnt worked out. Hopefully we dont revert back to TC plugging that gap either!!
Staying around the top 10, and hopefully the powers that be can be convinced to give it a real go (no matter how unlikely it would be) - equally we seem to have liked bringing players in at January, to bed them in for a running start the following season.1 -
If it’s just 2 players doesn’t take a genius to work out we’re going to need a LWB as it’s the one position we don’t have cover for and a RWB considering Bree is returning in Jan (still counts as a signing if he comes back permanently).sammy391 said:Think the initial 'Looking for 2 Athletic players' came out last week.
No idea who/what we are looking at, but there is always longstanding rumours around Bree and Fakuda. You'd imagine that we'd want a ST too!
Hopefully JEdwards isnt out for much longer, otherwise youd hope an incoming LB/LWB is on that list too, as it feels apparent that the Hernandez experiment hasnt worked out. Hopefully we dont revert back to TC plugging that gap either!!
Staying around the top 10, and hopefully the powers that be can be convinced to give it a real go (no matter how unlikely it would be) - equally we seem to have liked bringing players in at January, to bed them in for a running start the following season.I expect they’ve said 2 at the absolute minimum like when Jones said we would only sign 7/8 in the summer.If there’s any more on top of that it’s probably going to be based on outgoings/long-term injuries another CB CM and ST is where we’re lacking in terms of quality1 -
I think the list of players who haven’t lived up to expectation is a little harsh:
Apter - really good start. Poor game vs QPR and dropped. Minimal minutes since, confidence shot to pieces
Hernandez - I agree. Will be surprised to see his contract renewed
JRC - has hardly featured due to how well the others have done. The only real minutes he’s had is against Southampton and he came on when already 4 down.Kelman - has improved game by game. Has actually played really well despite the lack of goals. In true Charlton fashion, gets his goal and gets injured
Knibbs - I agree. Hasn’t looked amazing when starting despite not starting many. I hear he had no pre season at all.Tanto - like all our strikers, looks better coming off the bench
I don’t think we need major changes unless the wheels well and truly fall off between now and the new year. It’s clear that we need cover in the wing back positions, unless Nathan feels that Gough/Fijian Josh are ready (I don’t think they are).3 -
Gough is DM who can also play CB, and Josh a CB so I don’t see them playing WB.
If we used an academy player at WB it’ll more likely be Enslin or Rylah, but both are attacking players more than they are defenders, which isn’t what we need.3 -
Trend seems to be frees, loans and cheap signings tend to work out well for us but anytime NJ gets given big money to spend on a player more often than not they underperform.1
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I think we still have faith in a lot of those signings improving. For most of them it is their first experience of championship football. They will improve, as will some of our own younger players6
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Need a CM who matches Doherty's work rate whilst bringing more mobility and quality on the ball. Will potentially be a very expensive signing, so would like to see us use the loan market in January to bring in a quality alternative for rest of season. CM can then be a primary target in the summer window when there will be more options.3
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The players change but the system never does, so if you have a fair few in the squad that will never suit the system you'll eventually come unstuck.1
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Just want to be helpful and bump this thread... Seeing people are eager to discuss our Recruitment of late!!1
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Thanks FA, beat me to it
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This is not to malign or slag anybody off, just a observation/discussion on where we are with our recruitment since NJ took over.
Firstly, let me say, that Nathan has taken us from depths of Crawley loss to top half of championship for which i am eternally grateful.
But….
Ahadme,
Kelman
Knibbs
Apter
Olaofe
JRC
Have all been bought for a lot of money, but have all very much under-whelmed us.
Yes, there have been successes, Carey,Bell,Edwards, but at what time do the percentages for the failures weigh heavy?
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I blame Gallen , Andy Scott , Uncle Tom Cobley and all0 -
It seems like players are slow to earn NJ's trust, but also slow to lose it. It's hard to get into his teams if he hasn't worked with you before. And if you have, it's hard to be left out.4
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You don't want to be reliant on loans, but barely using the loan market at all this season is starting to look questionable.
It's a worthy policy - "we prefer to play and develop our own players, so that when we improve them we will get all the benefit" - but that does depend on the players that we brought in being successful. Many of our summer signings for fees have gone backwards, and will now be worth less than we paid.4 -
Also doesn't help when we say this but don't play our youngsters either.killerandflash said:You don't want to be reliant on loans, but barely using the loan market at all this season is starting to look questionable.
It's a worthy policy - "we prefer to play and develop our own players, so that when we improve them we will get all the benefit" - but that does depend on the players that we brought in being successful. Many of our summer signings for fees have gone backwards, and will now be worth less than we paid.
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Leaburn, TC, Anderson and Fullah have all made appearances recently with the first 2 playing consistently. They’re all 22 and under. Just because they’ve played senior football for a while (bar Fullah) doesn’t mean they aren’t youngsters still adapting to the levelsam3110 said:
Also doesn't help when we say this but don't play our youngsters either.killerandflash said:You don't want to be reliant on loans, but barely using the loan market at all this season is starting to look questionable.
It's a worthy policy - "we prefer to play and develop our own players, so that when we improve them we will get all the benefit" - but that does depend on the players that we brought in being successful. Many of our summer signings for fees have gone backwards, and will now be worth less than we paid.6 -
To be fair Jones did say a couple of positions they were looking at in Januarygolfaddick said:Who says we are looking to only sign 2 new players ?
This is a rough patch of results which if you are realistic about was going to happen at this level and could possibly happen again later on this season
Has the recruitment been right? With some yes but we have spent a lot of money on players that have hardly played, not got up to speed yet, or playing in positions that they did not do at their previous clubs.
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Recruitment is still a bit of a lottery. Buying good players doesn't equal buying players that are good for you. Even teams like Brighton and Brentford who are praised for their recruitment sign plenty of duds and plenty of players who take time to bed in. The key is to balance that out with good signings like Carey. Inevitably not all the signings we made will work out, that's part of the formula6
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That NTT20 article the other day included the below which showed how we tried to find that balance.fenaddick said:Recruitment is still a bit of a lottery. Buying good players doesn't equal buying players that are good for you. Even teams like Brighton and Brentford who are praised for their recruitment sign plenty of duds and plenty of players who take time to bed in. The key is to balance that out with good signings like Carey. Inevitably not all the signings we made will work out, that's part of the formula
Going to be interesting to see what happens in January. Hopefully some just need a bit more time and a few of the summer signings emerge as important players as we move through the season. I think we’re going to need that to keep competing in the way we did before the last couple of games.
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Bearing in mind our budget compared to our rivals Jones has worked miracles12
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Not good when it comes to finding forwards who can play the NJ way, also in finding midfielders who can hold the ball and it let the opponents run straight through midfield and onto the back line in an instant.0
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He absolutely has but the signings he has made when he’s had the money to spend is so questionable. Hope it’s not the case of him thriving as a small fish in a big pond but can’t manage a team with money, and that these signings start performinglolwray said:Bearing in mind our budget compared to our rivals Jones has worked miracles1 -
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.3 -
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.6
