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  • The Times usually have the inside info on selection and this is their squad:

    Root
    Burns
    Jennings
    Denly
    Ali
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Curran (S)
    Rashid
    Broad
    Anderson
    Woakes
    Leach
    Stone
    Plus Pope if 16 are selected
  • I'll a stab, it's only 3 tests so I would imagine they will take 15, 16 at a push

    Jennings
    Burns
    Pope
    Root

    Bairstow
    Butler

    Stokes
    Curran

    Ali
    Rashid
    Leach
    Bess

    Broad
    Anderson
    Overton
    Stone

    First test

    Burns
    Jennings
    Ali
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Butler
    Rasid
    Broad
    Leach
    Anderson

    The irony is that Jennings bowling could keep him in the team.
  • The Times usually have the inside info on selection and this is their squad:

    Root
    Burns
    Jennings
    Denly
    Ali
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Curran (S)
    Rashid
    Broad
    Anderson
    Woakes
    Leach
    Stone
    Plus Pope if 16 are selected

    That sounds right to me. Denly's bowling is useful enough these days to be a genuine spin option, and his batting is clearly much better than that of say Bess
  • The times is probably right but I don't agree with a couple of the picks.

    Denly isn't good enough to bat in the top 3, if he isn't 1 of the 3 spinners. I would think they would go with an os, sla and ls as the 3 options. Is Denly as good a bowler as Rashid? Pope is a better choice batting cover for Bairstow and Butler, we don't have cover for Root.

    Second 1 is Woakes, if your playing 3 spinners I don't see how you get 2 of Stokes, Curran and Woakes in the team. So it's take 2, play 1. It's Woakes that misses out for me.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    The times is probably right but I don't agree with a couple of the picks.

    Denly isn't good enough to bat in the top 3, if he isn't 1 of the 3 spinners. I would think they would go with an os, sla and ls as the 3 options. Is Denly as good a bowler as Rashid? Pope is a better choice batting cover for Bairstow and Butler, we don't have cover for Root.

    Second 1 is Woakes, if your playing 3 spinners I don't see how you get 2 of Stokes, Curran and Woakes in the team. So it's take 2, play 1. It's Woakes that misses out for me.

    Batting in Sri Lanka is a lot different to batting at home or in Australia

    For example Moeen seems set to play Number 3 in Sri Lanka, which he surely won't do next summer. With Root at 4 you could have Denly at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler 7 and Bairstow 8! Or some other permutation. Rashid 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11?
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    The times is probably right but I don't agree with a couple of the picks.

    Denly isn't good enough to bat in the top 3, if he isn't 1 of the 3 spinners. I would think they would go with an os, sla and ls as the 3 options. Is Denly as good a bowler as Rashid? Pope is a better choice batting cover for Bairstow and Butler, we don't have cover for Root.

    Second 1 is Woakes, if your playing 3 spinners I don't see how you get 2 of Stokes, Curran and Woakes in the team. So it's take 2, play 1. It's Woakes that misses out for me.

    Batting in Sri Lanka is a lot different to batting at home or in Australia

    For example Moeen seems set to play Number 3 in Sri Lanka, which he surely won't do next summer. With Root at 4 you could have Denly at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler 7 and Bairstow 8! Or some other permutation. Rashid 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11?
    I think Sam Curran will play, I think he's batting will get better, and I love he's attitude
  • edited September 2018

    Cafc43v3r said:

    The times is probably right but I don't agree with a couple of the picks.

    Denly isn't good enough to bat in the top 3, if he isn't 1 of the 3 spinners. I would think they would go with an os, sla and ls as the 3 options. Is Denly as good a bowler as Rashid? Pope is a better choice batting cover for Bairstow and Butler, we don't have cover for Root.

    Second 1 is Woakes, if your playing 3 spinners I don't see how you get 2 of Stokes, Curran and Woakes in the team. So it's take 2, play 1. It's Woakes that misses out for me.

    Batting in Sri Lanka is a lot different to batting at home or in Australia

    For example Moeen seems set to play Number 3 in Sri Lanka, which he surely won't do next summer. With Root at 4 you could have Denly at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler 7 and Bairstow 8! Or some other permutation. Rashid 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11?
    You're pushing Buttler the wrong way, he should be going in at 5 not 7 now.

    I dont get the clamour for Denly - he only averaged 36 this season - in Div 2 ! -both Bell and Trott had averages in the fifties and Denly is not much younger than them. Unless its for his part-time spin, biut we already have one in Root.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    The times is probably right but I don't agree with a couple of the picks.

    Denly isn't good enough to bat in the top 3, if he isn't 1 of the 3 spinners. I would think they would go with an os, sla and ls as the 3 options. Is Denly as good a bowler as Rashid? Pope is a better choice batting cover for Bairstow and Butler, we don't have cover for Root.

    Second 1 is Woakes, if your playing 3 spinners I don't see how you get 2 of Stokes, Curran and Woakes in the team. So it's take 2, play 1. It's Woakes that misses out for me.

    Batting in Sri Lanka is a lot different to batting at home or in Australia

    For example Moeen seems set to play Number 3 in Sri Lanka, which he surely won't do next summer. With Root at 4 you could have Denly at 5, Stokes 6, Buttler 7 and Bairstow 8! Or some other permutation. Rashid 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11?
    You're pushing Buttler the wrong way, he should be going in at 5 not 7 now.

    I dont get the clamour for Denly - he only averaged 36 this season - in Div 2 ! - Unless its for his part-time spin, biut we already have one in Root.
    That's 36 playing on rubbish Div 2 pitches, Canterbury for one has not been a batting surface at all. His bowling has progressed to be more than part time, Kent regularly play him as their only spinner.
  • Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

  • Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
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  • Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
  • @The_President white ball squad already named.

    I think Porter is seen as the new Jimmy. Brown needs to be careful he isn't the new Jade Dernbach.

    Agree that Parkinson looks a prospect, but I think it's to early for him. What a crying shame no-one is talking about Mason Craine!

    Somehow the managment have been backed into a situation where they HAVE to bat Root, Bairstow, Stokes and Butler at 4, 5,6 and 7. Fast becoming the cricket equivalent of the "golden generation".

    I assume Jennings and Burns will open.

    Ali plays so has to bat at either 3 or 8, seems bazaar!

    Leaves room for your 4 bowlers, horses for courses, as you already have Ali and Stokes in the team for Sri Lanker I want a leg spinner, a sla and my best to seemers.

    Not sure how you get Curran, Woakes or Denly in, if Jimmy and Broad want to and can play.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    @The_President white ball squad already named.

    I think Porter is seen as the new Jimmy. Brown needs to be careful he isn't the new Jade Dernbach.

    Agree that Parkinson looks a prospect, but I think it's to early for him. What a crying shame no-one is talking about Mason Craine!

    Somehow the managment have been backed into a situation where they HAVE to bat Root, Bairstow, Stokes and Butler at 4, 5,6 and 7. Fast becoming the cricket equivalent of the "golden generation".

    I assume Jennings and Burns will open.

    Ali plays so has to bat at either 3 or 8, seems bazaar!

    Leaves room for your 4 bowlers, horses for courses, as you already have Ali and Stokes in the team for Sri Lanker I want a leg spinner, a sla and my best to seemers.

    Not sure how you get Curran, Woakes or Denly in, if Jimmy and Broad want to and can play.

  • You would pick Denly ahead of Rashid as a specialist leg spinner?
  • Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
    They have already picked the one day squad, Patrick Brown was not included, but Olly Stone was
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    @The_President white ball squad already named.

    I think Porter is seen as the new Jimmy. Brown needs to be careful he isn't the new Jade Dernbach.

    Agree that Parkinson looks a prospect, but I think it's to early for him. What a crying shame no-one is talking about Mason Craine!

    Somehow the managment have been backed into a situation where they HAVE to bat Root, Bairstow, Stokes and Butler at 4, 5,6 and 7. Fast becoming the cricket equivalent of the "golden generation".

    I assume Jennings and Burns will open.

    Ali plays so has to bat at either 3 or 8, seems bazaar!

    Leaves room for your 4 bowlers, horses for courses, as you already have Ali and Stokes in the team for Sri Lanker I want a leg spinner, a sla and my best to seemers.

    Not sure how you get Curran, Woakes or Denly in, if Jimmy and Broad want to and can play.

    Crane is injured (and was called up far too early anyway). Bess has hardly played in recent weeks

    Leach is a certainty for the squad I imagine, things might have been different this summer if he hadn't been injured at the wrong time
  • Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
    Brown the replacement for Jimmy?! Absolutely no way. Brown is thoroughly geared towards limited-overs variations and doesn't have the accuracy, pace or swing of Anderson
  • @killerandflash Bess played against lancs the other week, was part of the suicide collapse.

    That was my point about Crane, hardly played when he was fit, that's the problem with April and September 4 day cricket.
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    @killerandflash Bess played against lancs the other week, was part of the suicide collapse.

    That was my point about Crane, hardly played when he was fit, that's the problem with April and September 4 day cricket.

    Looking at the average, Leach has 29 wickets at 25. Bess has 11 wickets at 55

    In that Lancs match at Cyderabad, Leach got 12 wickets, Bess none! That certainly suggests that Leach is very good in favourable conditions, which Sri Lanka will be.
  • Leuth said:

    Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
    Brown the replacement for Jimmy?! Absolutely no way. Brown is thoroughly geared towards limited-overs variations and doesn't have the accuracy, pace or swing of Anderson
    Yet.

    Jimmy only had pace at PB's age.
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  • Leuth said:

    Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
    Brown the replacement for Jimmy?! Absolutely no way. Brown is thoroughly geared towards limited-overs variations and doesn't have the accuracy, pace or swing of Anderson
    Yet.

    Jimmy only had pace at PB's age.
    Nah, he swung it round corners
  • And don't forget his spell of 10 overs for 12 runs in an ODI against Australia, in Australia, when he was that age. Obviously wasn't the finished article but had all the tools
  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Burns,Jennings,Ali,Root,Buttler,Stokes,Bairstow,Curran,Parkinson,Broad,Jimmy.

    Will we need 4 seamers in Sri Lanka? Surely a 3rd spinner would be more useful.

    Parkinson is very promising, but England do seem to have got into a habit of picking spinners too early.
    May be right re seamers, however, i remember SA some 15 years ago when Donald was still playing took no spinners to India beacuse they didnt feel they had anyone of sufficient quality in the spin department - and they still won the series- it would also mean dropping maybe the likes of Broad as Sam seems to have cemented his place now. Cant see Woakes 'easily' getting his place back tbh in the short term.

    I just think that Parkinson is the real deal, and a spin friendly location might really help him improve- and ultimately a better bowler than Rashid.

    One interesting option may be Patrick Brown for the white ball stuff (i assume there is some) - thought he bowled quite beautifully on Finals day, and could ultimately be the replacement for Jimmy.
    Brown the replacement for Jimmy?! Absolutely no way. Brown is thoroughly geared towards limited-overs variations and doesn't have the accuracy, pace or swing of Anderson
    Yet.

    Jimmy only had pace at PB's age.
    Nah, he swung it round corners
    From BBC's James Anderson, the story....

    "Anderson broke into the Lancashire first team in the early 2000s. Warren Hegg was the veteran wicketkeeper with the best view in the house.

    "He was very raw and had real pace," remembers Hegg. "Even though that came with a slight lack of direction, the potential was there to bowl seriously quick. I've kept to some very quick bowlers in my time and, in his younger days, Jimmy was right up there with the quickest.

    "In the early days he relied on that pace and his natural ability to take the ball away from the right-hander - it was later that he cut it back and learned to swing the ball both ways with control.

    "We had open net sessions in the middle at Old Trafford and he was a real handful to the senior players, who were used to facing quick bowlers. I was hit on the toes on numerous occasions from his yorkers because, even in practice, Jimmy was aggressive.

    "In his first season, when I was captain, he could take wickets on flat pitches. We were playing against Somerset at Blackpool on a very docile wicket and Jimmy took six wickets in the first innings and nine in the match. If you can bowl quickly at Blackpool, you can bowl quickly anywhere."

    From my recollection of his early days, it was mainly his pace - his immaculate control and ability to swing it both ways came as he developed his action and experience and became the bowler he is now.
  • i d like to see Vince in

    cant see what big deal is for Denly ..hes not a test class bat and not a test class bowler .We are getting a bit carried away with 20/20 or one day players and mistaking them for Test match Players ...they are almost 2 different games and becoming more and more different as the years go by
  • edited September 2018
    Anderson has been swinging it for 15+ years. He’s always been a swing bowler at international level.

    Here’s his Test debut. Five wickets, most of them due to swinging the ball away from the right hander.

    https://youtu.be/hyG56r5mOHc
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    You would pick Denly ahead of Rashid as a specialist leg spinner?

    Depends which Rashid turns up on the day.

    I've always thought him to be a talented player but of late his attitude seems to have been questionable at times.

    All leggys are prone to bowl a 'four' ball and Denly would be no different I'm sure at test level. However he does seem to have a knack for taking wickets and, given England's liking for batting collapses, I'd put Denly above Rashid as a batter and fielder for that matter.

    Rashid probably deserves the nod at the moment but competition will do him no harm and might even galvanise him to produce the form we know he is capable of.
  • Big talk of Broad being rested (injured)
  • edited September 2018
    LenGlover said:

    Cafc43v3r said:

    You would pick Denly ahead of Rashid as a specialist leg spinner?

    Depends which Rashid turns up on the day.

    I've always thought him to be a talented player but of late his attitude seems to have been questionable at times.

    All leggys are prone to bowl a 'four' ball and Denly would be no different I'm sure at test level. However he does seem to have a knack for taking wickets and, given England's liking for batting collapses, I'd put Denly above Rashid as a batter and fielder for that matter.

    Rashid probably deserves the nod at the moment but competition will do him no harm and might even galvanise him to produce the form we know he is capable of.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_cricket_team_in_Sri_Lanka_in_2011–12

    In Sri Lanka we could easily play 3 spinners. Looking back at the last tour we played there, in the 1st Test we played 3 spinners, in the 2nd 2 spinners. Samit Patel played both Tests as a spinning all rounder (round being an appropriate phrase!).
  • edited September 2018

    The Times usually have the inside info on selection and this is their squad:

    Root
    Burns
    Jennings
    Denly
    Ali
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Curran (S)
    Rashid
    Broad
    Anderson
    Woakes
    Leach
    Stone
    Plus Pope if 16 are selected

    Confirmed party as above including Pope
  • Lots of bowlers could replace Broad if he is rested. It's finding one who offers something else that is difficult
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