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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • edited March 2018
    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
  • Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.

    Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.

    Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)

    Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
  • edited March 2018
    Addickted said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    Well in the last three months, he's managed to manipulate;

    Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.

    Pretty consistent there if you ask me.
    Not doing things is not really evidence of anything except his lack of interest in the club. It’s hardly manipulation.
  • edited March 2018

    boggzy said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.

    Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.

    Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)

    Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
    You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.

    The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.
    I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about him engaging with prospective purchasers. We know the guy loves to talk, we know Duchâtelet can sell when he wants/ doesn't care/ is a fruitcake/ possibly malicious ("I won't be blackmailed by anyone" quote re protests)

    As for his announcement, it *did* stop a protest. Granted though it has shown up to be disingenuous for whatever reason.
  • I do not think we should be asking RM for an update, even if he was here. Rolly is the only one with answers.
  • My best guess is that outside of RDs lawyers all interest in the club goes through Murray.

    Previously I would have said Meire but that cant be the case now. RD just wouldn’t put any time into it at all imo bar the odd, short email response.
  • Not disputing his personal lack of interest, but he will have professional advisors working under his instructions who are more than capable of pleasing the boss, including using underhand tactics.

    Somebody, somewhere is releasing deliberately contradictory information. Why would that be?
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  • Addickted said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    Well in the last three months, he's managed to manipulate;

    Not replacing the CEO, not replacing the FD, selling the player of the year, withdrawing all funding from his prized Sparrows Lane academy development, not provided funding for strengthening the squad, pissed off the players and the manager with no clear direction and fooling Murray into making two statements which appear to be nothing other than obfuscation.

    Pretty consistent there if you ask me.
    Which just goes to prove he doesn't give a flying about Charlton and probably devotes about five seconds per day thinking about us. As he has often said CAFC is only a small part of his empire and I have this nagging feeling that he will hold out to get what he wants for as long as possible. Fear we could be in for more long, dark days ahead before this abomination of a man disappears over the hill and becomes a footnote in our history.

  • boggzy said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.

    Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.

    Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)

    Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
    You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.

    The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.

    It has been suggested elsewhere that Duchâtelet might well be using Murray to manipulate fans and keep a lid on dissent, which is very different form saying Murray is doing the manipulating
    So Murray is damaging himself just to benefit Duchatelet or Murray is so stupid he just believes and repeats everything he is told?
  • I usually think that cock up is more probable than conspiracy in life, politics and Charlton.

    Meeting the top man, Tony Keohane, today so will share any juicy inside info I get later.

    Maybe

    Tone says all the interested parties have told him they want an input to the Sparrows Lane scheme. So he’ll be able to tell you everything.
  • edited March 2018

    boggzy said:

    Addickted said:

    Chizz said:

    Quick summary, to check I know what the current status is...

    1. RD knows the price he wants to achieve to sell the club; and he's told two parties what that price is.

    2. Both of those parties have "agreed" that they understand what the asking price is.

    3. Neither party has agreed to pay that price.

    4. A Scottish consortium - who may or may not be one of the two parties - knows what the price is and has dropped out because it's too much.

    6. RM has explained part 1. and been (deliberately or accidentally) economic with the actualities with regards to part 2.

    7. RM's statement has been understood to mean that two parties have agreed to pay RD's price. This is not true.

    8. No-one who knows the price has agreed to pay it.

    9. We are nowhere nearer selling the club than we were several weeks ago. In fact, now that two consortia have found out the price, we may be a lot further away.

    10. We've lost another million quid in the last month.

    11. All players under contract are one month closer to running out and no-one is dealing with renewing them or selling the players.

    12. We still have a head of recruitment - hurrah! - but he's not doing anything, because he hasn't got a boss, or instructions, or money, or guidance.

    13. And finally, JJ thinks he can get away with hanging his boots up this Summer and doing some coaching. Sorry, pal, not only are you *in* the team next season, it's looking like you *are* the team.

    Is that about it?

    Good summary. However one key point has been left out.

    Murray's 28th Feb statement said we were just waiting for the lawyers to finalise the sale and purchase agreements. That would suggest a price has been agreed.

    Getting the feeling that Duchatalet is playing games with a lot of people with false information and half truths being leaked out under his full control, whilst he sits back in his castle having a chuckle to himself.

    Belgium humour eh?
    Have you heard (or read) what this supposed master of manipulation has to say about Charlton? Not exactly someone who is consistent or has a keen grasp of the detail.
    I agree, which proves he also doesn't care about us / spend half as much time thinking about us as some think.

    Which is precisely why Murray can get away with meddling with who he thinks is right for the club (i.e. someone who will let him be involved rather than wanting the best for Charlton). Who else realistically is there to speak to over here? He's the point of contact. Obviously RD won't care if he's involved or not as long as he gets his money.

    Murray is the guy doing the talking over here, and the amount of bullshit, half-truths and downright lies that have come from this man in the last eleven years is incredible (not to mention his decisions)

    Why people still hang on anything he says is astonishing.
    You don’t have to believe what the bloke says for what he is saying to be of use. You just have to think about why he is saying it and what benefit there is to him as well.

    The idea he is giving false statements solely to stall protests is not tenable.

    It has been suggested elsewhere that Duchâtelet might well be using Murray to manipulate fans and keep a lid on dissent, which is very different form saying Murray is doing the manipulating
    So Murray is damaging himself just to benefit Duchatelet or Murray is so stupid he just believes and repeats everything he is told?
    Murray is well aware that, for a large proportion of fans, his reputation is damaged beyond repair. He could have helped himself by denouncing the bollox that RD and KM were coing out with. But no, instead he stuck by them throughout. That's pretty bloody stupid in my book. Perhaps he thought they would come up trumps at some point? I imagine he knows it's way too late for him to admit he/they were wrong so he has to keep on trotting out the emperor's clothes line.
    But he doesn't have to, does he? He only has to shut up. Instead of which he is ringing round people who he thinks will put out his message, which is how he has always worked.
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  • I usually think that cock up is more probable than conspiracy in life, politics and Charlton.

    Meeting the top man, Tony Keohane, today so will share any juicy inside info I get later.

    Maybe

    Give him our regards ...







    ... and tell him to piss off

    :wink:
  • Addickted said:

    All those people saying we would have no chance in the playoffs seem to have forgotten how football works

    Might help if we were actually in a play off position.
    Pedant
  • DA9 said:

    I would happily run round the Valley pitch, bollock naked, with a tattoo of KM on my arse, whilst whistling “glad all over” if someone can prove to me RM lied, lied to, possibly.

    Thought I'd quote this.

    Just in case :smile:

  • I can’t see it being for any other reason
  • The lawyers involved in this deal will be 100% solely working on the deal. The fact that they've been unable to wrap it up in three weeks (or even longer if you accept Murray's January statement) is inconceivable if the price and terms have been agreed as per Murrays 28th Feb statement.

    It's unlike a conveyancing lawyer who would be working on several sales at once.
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