Out of interest and I may have well missed it, but is Rubashow still with us? And if he is what the hell does he do with his time now?
Yes, still Head of Communications
Writing biogs of all the new potential owners must take him ages.
Have met a few times and he seems alright and people who've worked with him vouch for him.
He’s a very nice guy, the vitriol thrown at him on this board etc I find bizarre and quite humourous frankly. That’s all else I’ll really say on him for now.
How can you find it bizarre when he was heavily involved in some of our fans being taken to court? Or were you not aware of that?
This. And the whole role of Pitch (which he headed up) in waging a PR war against the fans. He was actively involved in coming up with ideas to make the fans appear like hooligans/unwilling to compromise.
Including things like the message from KM half heartedly offering to meet CARD but leaking it to the press immediately. Also things like KM wining and dining journalists in return for a positive story.
Making the jump from consultant to employee for me means he gets no allowances. He knew what the situation was like and what the job involved. He chose to come on board knowing that he was fighting a 'war' against the fans. His role would have alao seen him agreeing to various statements from KM calling the fans racist/sexist or other such bullshit or her declaring war.
The man gets nothing from me. I'm sure he's a nice person but just doing his job doesn't cut it this time. Should go as part of the clearout along with the tea boy.
Out of interest and I may have well missed it, but is Rubashow still with us? And if he is what the hell does he do with his time now?
Yes, still Head of Communications
Writing biogs of all the new potential owners must take him ages.
Have met a few times and he seems alright and people who've worked with him vouch for him.
He’s a very nice guy, the vitriol thrown at him on this board etc I find bizarre and quite humourous frankly. That’s all else I’ll really say on him for now.
How can you find it bizarre when he was heavily involved in some of our fans being taken to court? Or were you not aware of that?
This. And the whole role of Pitch (which he headed up) in waging a PR war against the fans. He was actively involved in coming up with ideas to make the fans appear like hooligans/unwilling to compromise.
Including things like the message from KM half heartedly offering to meet CARD but leaking it to the press immediately. Also things like KM wining and dining journalists in return for a positive story.
Making the jump from consultant to employee for me means he gets no allowances. He knew what the situation was like and what the job involved. He chose to come on board knowing that he was fighting a 'war' against the fans. His role would have alao seen him agreeing to various statements from KM calling the fans racist/sexist or other such bullshit or her declaring war.
The man gets nothing from me. I'm sure he's a nice person but just doing his job doesn't cut it this time. Should go as part of the clearout along with the tea boy.
I'm hoping that RM's statement today was just to clarify the position re the sale of Ricky & why no money is being spent and that there will be a further and more detailed statement about the takeover later this week.
I learnt a long time ago that what Robinson says is far less important than why he says it. This evening's Murray arse-licking speaks volumes, as does him dishing the dirt on Duchatlet refusing a part-ex deal on Holmes. The survival instinct has well and truly kicked-in.
I’m clearly a big fan of Robinson but i can’t argue with that either
I still struggle to know if you're being sarcastic in supporting Robinson
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Why would I be sarcastic?
I don’t think I can be any clearer. I think he is a decent manager (not the greatest but decent) who cops a lot of unnecessary stick from fans who made their mind up they didn’t like him from the start, or can’t see anything other than being linked with the regime. Bloke can’t win.
Agree, Robinson can’t win. I have know idea whether he’s a good manager or tactician, clearly a lot of people on here think they are but right now he’s caught in the crossfire and he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
What honestly do you expect him to do? Up to now he’s been the clubs only mouthpiece, I’m sure he’d rather not be, surely that’s Murray’s job and hopefully will be later this week.
I don’t think it’s either surprising that he’s going to nail his flag to the nearest mast, and be contradictory because the goalposts keep changing, who wouldn’t?
You only have to take a look at this and the Takeover thread, to see how hysterical we all are, for any snippet of information, however ridiculous it might be. Jumping to conclusions where there aren’t any to jump to.
There’s a few who clearly know something but cant divulge and the rest of us are like a dog chasing its tail. To quote sargent Schultz from Hogans Heroes “ I (we) know nothing.”
Give the bloke a break.
He is a waffling scouse git...Full of faux passion one moment, and woe us me the next moment and I can't wait to see the back of him...
Out of interest and I may have well missed it, but is Rubashow still with us? And if he is what the hell does he do with his time now?
Yes, still Head of Communications
Writing biogs of all the new potential owners must take him ages.
Have met a few times and he seems alright and people who've worked with him vouch for him.
He’s a very nice guy, the vitriol thrown at him on this board etc I find bizarre and quite humourous frankly. That’s all else I’ll really say on him for now.
Is Murray's comments in the Holmes piece the announcement with regard the takeover or do we think there will be something else this week? Just shows the world RD really is milking this club for all it's worth
I learnt a long time ago that what Robinson says is far less important than why he says it. This evening's Murray arse-licking speaks volumes, as does him dishing the dirt on Duchatlet refusing a part-ex deal on Holmes. The survival instinct has well and truly kicked-in.
I’m clearly a big fan of Robinson but i can’t argue with that either
I still struggle to know if you're being sarcastic in supporting Robinson
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Why would I be sarcastic?
I don’t think I can be any clearer. I think he is a decent manager (not the greatest but decent) who cops a lot of unnecessary stick from fans who made their mind up they didn’t like him from the start, or can’t see anything other than being linked with the regime. Bloke can’t win.
Agree, Robinson can’t win. I have know idea whether he’s a good manager or tactician, clearly a lot of people on here think they are but right now he’s caught in the crossfire and he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
What honestly do you expect him to do? Up to now he’s been the clubs only mouthpiece, I’m sure he’d rather not be, surely that’s Murray’s job and hopefully will be later this week.
I don’t think it’s either surprising that he’s going to nail his flag to the nearest mast, and be contradictory because the goalposts keep changing, who wouldn’t?
You only have to take a look at this and the Takeover thread, to see how hysterical we all are, for any snippet of information, however ridiculous it might be. Jumping to conclusions where there aren’t any to jump to.
There’s a few who clearly know something but cant divulge and the rest of us are like a dog chasing its tail. To quote sargent Schultz from Hogans Heroes “ I (we) know nothing.”
Give the bloke a break.
He is a waffling scouse git...Full of faux passion one moment, and woe us me the next moment and I can't wait to see the back of him...
Erith, that’s where I come from, full of happy compassionate lovely people who welcome people with open arms, no matter what colour or where they’re from.
I think the takeover is a smokescreen and the fans are being played, whilst flogging the family silver.
Could be the dugout and floodlights next....
Maybe they should get some new goal nets. My attention to the fact that the club is a shambles is usually distracted when we announce new netting. P'raps octagonal this time.
Goebbels was also a nice guy and highly regarded in fascist PR circles.
It was just his boss who was the problem.
Really comparing Karl Robinson to Goebbels? That is well beyond ridiculous.
The truth is Karl has done surprisingly well in spite of obvious hurdles (and a very stubborn 4,2,3,1 shaped formation)
He has always tried to say what he thinks the fans and owner want to hear. This obviously alienates one or the other. Up til recently he has supported the bosses decisions based on the promise he'd be financed in January.
The removal of any funds has been the straw that broke the camels back and he has snapped. He is now trying to get fans on side so that he can continue his role under new leadership.
I don't think I can begrudge him for that.
If he is sacked under new ownership, so be it. If he is kept on, so be it.
Out of all of the Duchatelet managers/coaches he's been the best.
Jose Riga 11 Mar, 2014 27 May, 2014 (43.75% win%) Bob Peeters 27 May, 2014 12 Jan, 2015 (25%) Damian Matthew 13 Jan, 2015 22 Jan, 2015 (0% - Watford 5-0) Guy Luzon 22 Jan, 2015 24 Oct, 2015 (33.3%) Karel Fraeye 25 Oct, 2015 13 Jan, 2016 (14.2%) Jose Riga 14 Jan, 2016 06 Jun, 2016 (25%) Russell Slade 06 Jun, 2016 13 Nov, 2016 (23.8%) Kevin Nugent 13 Nov, 2016 24 Nov, 2016 (66.7%) Karl Robinson 24 Nov, 2016 Present (38.5%) Powell January 2011 - March 2014 (40.99%) Parkinson November 2008 - January 2011 (38.6%) Pardew Dec 06 - Nov 08 (31.1%) Les Reed Nov 06 - Dec 06 (12.5%) Dowie May 06 - Nov06 (26.6%) Curbs July 91 - May 06 (38.1%)
So barring Riga's first stint, KR is the best manager we've had Since RD came in based purely on win% over 5 or more games.
Astoundingly he's in the top 5 since Curbs!
1. Riga 43.75% off 16 games (Stint 1 using Powell's players plus Reza... ) 2. 1. Powell 40.99% off 161 games (Super Chrissy P!) 3. 2. Phil Parkinson 38.6% off 114 games 4. 3. Karl Robinson 38.5% off 66 games 5. 4. Curbs. 38.1% off 720 games 1. 5. Riga His average is 33.3% off 36 games moving him to 5th and everyone else up 1.
We all know that Curbs was the best, Powell was realistically 2nd best and Riga, Parky and Robinson don't come close to them, but statistically it's a comparison and well really I don't know what I am saying anymore... this post took ages...
KR been hung out to dry on this, he's having to field every question on the takeover, and the state of the club, no wonder the frustrations boil over.
I'm a fan of KR, think he's the spark the club needs, and to still be in contention for the play offs, with the limits imposed has impressed me from afar
Should the unthinkable happen and we get promoted he’ll have automatic semi-legend status at The Valley, love him or hate him. It would have been achieved against all odds.
Pretty unlikely to happen though, I suppose.
I know that every club likes to acknowledge its history, but do we really go so far as to award legendary status for individuals' semis???
Gobby's new found passion for RM is all about transfer funding. Best's recruitment was enabled by RM. It's now a matter of record that the septicgenarian liar won't be paying any fees for new arrivals. We can reasonably assume that at least one more player sale will be completed shortly and those funds will also be absorbed by the holding company. KR's blowing smoke up RM to fluff up the chances he'll have any new faces around this month, or get to keep most of the ones he recognises for that matter. If I were KR, and my options were so limited, I'd be chatting up Lee Bowyer and asking him to sign a registration, cos LB has gotta be a better bet for the last 10-15 minutes of fixtures, than norsing up the rest of Sols's and JFC's seasons by compounding their injuries. I wonder when an amateur last played in the 3rd division? Anybody?
Out of interest and I may have well missed it, but is Rubashow still with us? And if he is what the hell does he do with his time now?
Yes, still Head of Communications
Writing biogs of all the new potential owners must take him ages.
Have met a few times and he seems alright and people who've worked with him vouch for him.
He’s a very nice guy, the vitriol thrown at him on this board etc I find bizarre and quite humourous frankly. That’s all else I’ll really say on him for now.
How can you find it bizarre when he was heavily involved in some of our fans being taken to court? Or were you not aware of that?
This. And the whole role of Pitch (which he headed up) in waging a PR war against the fans. He was actively involved in coming up with ideas to make the fans appear like hooligans/unwilling to compromise.
Including things like the message from KM half heartedly offering to meet CARD but leaking it to the press immediately. Also things like KM wining and dining journalists in return for a positive story.
Making the jump from consultant to employee for me means he gets no allowances. He knew what the situation was like and what the job involved. He chose to come on board knowing that he was fighting a 'war' against the fans. His role would have alao seen him agreeing to various statements from KM calling the fans racist/sexist or other such bullshit or her declaring war.
The man gets nothing from me. I'm sure he's a nice person but just doing his job doesn't cut it this time. Should go as part of the clearout along with the tea boy.
Unless you're living under a repressive régime that will punish you for dissent, 'just doing his job' should never be an excuse.
Gobby's new found passion for RM is all about transfer funding. Best's recruitment was enabled by RM. It's now a matter of record that the septicgenarian liar won't be paying any fees for new arrivals. We can reasonably assume that at least one more player sale will be completed shortly and those funds will also be absorbed by the holding company. KR's blowing smoke up RM to fluff up the chances he'll have any new faces around this month, or get to keep most of the ones he recognises for that matter. If I were KR, and my options were so limited, I'd be chatting up Lee Bowyer and asking him to sign a registration, cos LB has gotta be a better bet for the last 10-15 minutes of fixtures, than norsing up the rest of Sols's and JFC's seasons by compounding their injuries. I wonder when an amateur last played in the 3rd division? Anybody?
I’m pretty confused. We are still hearing from trusted sources that there remain several parties interested in buying the club.
Rumour that it could go through as early as this coming weekend and some sort of announcement by the club midweek.
I can’t help thinking that we are still some way off any conclusion. Surely if one party were that close the others would have dropped out.
My guess is that if the club announce anything it’s just going to be that talks are ongoing and that’s it. It’s either done or it isn’t.
Again a guess but I think we are still weeks away.
I don't believe we have ever been close and I certainly don't think we are anywhere near. Those who think a takeover is imminent are way off the mark in my opinion. I will be as happy as the next man to be proved wrong though.
And that is the answer that sums up the current situation at present. Murray won't say anymore than he already as of yesterday, whilst the owner will continue to take any offers for any of the first team.
Goebbels was also a nice guy and highly regarded in fascist PR circles.
It was just his boss who was the problem.
Really comparing Karl Robinson to Goebbels? That is well beyond ridiculous.
The truth is Karl has done surprisingly well in spite of obvious hurdles (and a very stubborn 4,2,3,1 shaped formation)
He has always tried to say what he thinks the fans and owner want to hear. This obviously alienates one or the other. Up til recently he has supported the bosses decisions based on the promise he'd be financed in January.
The removal of any funds has been the straw that broke the camels back and he has snapped. He is now trying to get fans on side so that he can continue his role under new leadership.
I don't think I can begrudge him for that.
If he is sacked under new ownership, so be it. If he is kept on, so be it.
Out of all of the Duchatelet managers/coaches he's been the best.
Jose Riga 11 Mar, 2014 27 May, 2014 (43.75% win%) Bob Peeters 27 May, 2014 12 Jan, 2015 (25%) Damian Matthew 13 Jan, 2015 22 Jan, 2015 (0% - Watford 5-0) Guy Luzon 22 Jan, 2015 24 Oct, 2015 (33.3%) Karel Fraeye 25 Oct, 2015 13 Jan, 2016 (14.2%) Jose Riga 14 Jan, 2016 06 Jun, 2016 (25%) Russell Slade 06 Jun, 2016 13 Nov, 2016 (23.8%) Kevin Nugent 13 Nov, 2016 24 Nov, 2016 (66.7%) Karl Robinson 24 Nov, 2016 Present (38.5%) Powell January 2011 - March 2014 (40.99%) Parkinson November 2008 - January 2011 (38.6%) Pardew Dec 06 - Nov 08 (31.1%) Les Reed Nov 06 - Dec 06 (12.5%) Dowie May 06 - Nov06 (26.6%) Curbs July 91 - May 06 (38.1%)
So barring Riga's first stint, KR is the best manager we've had Since RD came in based purely on win% over 5 or more games.
Astoundingly he's in the top 5 since Curbs!
1. Riga 43.75% off 16 games (Stint 1 using Powell's players plus Reza... ) 2. 1. Powell 40.99% off 161 games (Super Chrissy P!) 3. 2. Phil Parkinson 38.6% off 114 games 4. 3. Karl Robinson 38.5% off 66 games 5. 4. Curbs. 38.1% off 720 games 1. 5. Riga His average is 33.3% off 36 games moving him to 5th and everyone else up 1.
We all know that Curbs was the best, Powell was realistically 2nd best and Riga, Parky and Robinson don't come close to them, but statistically it's a comparison and well really I don't know what I am saying anymore... this post took ages...
Cheers
A lot depends on which league you're in at the time.
A lot depends on which league you're in at the time.
As well as the quality of squad you inherit, and the backing by the owner to improve it. On that basis you could argue KR has the best record. The only managers on that list above him inherited or were backed to build better squads. Curbs over a long period, Powell with the Jenkinson money and Riga inherited Powell's squad.
KR inherited a poor and small squad and has been given barely enough to stand still by RD, so has to be commended for keeping us competitive. You have to wonder what he could achieve if given proper backing and the chance to build a squad that isn't stretched to breaking point before we even put the Christmas decorations up.
I hope I am putting the pieces together incorrectly, but I suspect that possibly Roland told Meire that as he has decided to sell the club, he is not willing to put any more money into it. Given that she has given assurances to various people and the realisation that this would damage her reputation and make her look even more of an idiot, she jumped ship. Unfortunately us as fans cannot jump ship and support another team! Anyway, Duchatelet is not going to spend any money on a new CEO and still wants more money than any of the interested parties are willing to pay.
I hope I am wrong, but I have been protesting because I am convinc
A lot depends on which league you're in at the time.
As well as the quality of squad you inherit, and the backing by the owner to improve it. On that basis you could argue KR has the best record. The only managers on that list above him inherited or were backed to build better squads. Curbs or a long period, Powell with the Jenkinson money and Riga inherited Powell's squad.
KR inherited a poor and small squad and has been given barely enough to stand still by RD, so has to be commended for keeping us competitive. You have to wonder what he could achieve if given proper backing and the chance to build a squad that isn't stretched to breaking part before we even put the Christmas decorations up.
I agree -there are no guarantees, but I'd like to see what he can do with a bit of backing.
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Including things like the message from KM half heartedly offering to meet CARD but leaking it to the press immediately. Also things like KM wining and dining journalists in return for a positive story.
Making the jump from consultant to employee for me means he gets no allowances. He knew what the situation was like and what the job involved. He chose to come on board knowing that he was fighting a 'war' against the fans. His role would have alao seen him agreeing to various statements from KM calling the fans racist/sexist or other such bullshit or her declaring war.
The man gets nothing from me. I'm sure he's a nice person but just doing his job doesn't cut it this time. Should go as part of the clearout along with the tea boy.
It is "tea person".
Not much but more than Meire said for a year.
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It was just his boss who was the problem.
Could be the dugout and floodlights next....
The truth is Karl has done surprisingly well in spite of obvious hurdles (and a very stubborn 4,2,3,1 shaped formation)
He has always tried to say what he thinks the fans and owner want to hear. This obviously alienates one or the other. Up til recently he has supported the bosses decisions based on the promise he'd be financed in January.
The removal of any funds has been the straw that broke the camels back and he has snapped. He is now trying to get fans on side so that he can continue his role under new leadership.
I don't think I can begrudge him for that.
If he is sacked under new ownership, so be it. If he is kept on, so be it.
Out of all of the Duchatelet managers/coaches he's been the best.
Jose Riga 11 Mar, 2014 27 May, 2014 (43.75% win%)
Bob Peeters 27 May, 2014 12 Jan, 2015 (25%)
Damian Matthew 13 Jan, 2015 22 Jan, 2015 (0% - Watford 5-0)Guy Luzon 22 Jan, 2015 24 Oct, 2015 (33.3%)
Karel Fraeye 25 Oct, 2015 13 Jan, 2016 (14.2%)
Jose Riga 14 Jan, 2016 06 Jun, 2016 (25%)
Russell Slade 06 Jun, 2016 13 Nov, 2016 (23.8%)
Kevin Nugent 13 Nov, 2016 24 Nov, 2016 (66.7%)Karl Robinson 24 Nov, 2016 Present (38.5%)
Powell January 2011 - March 2014 (40.99%)
Parkinson November 2008 - January 2011 (38.6%)
Pardew Dec 06 - Nov 08 (31.1%)
Les Reed Nov 06 - Dec 06 (12.5%)
Dowie May 06 - Nov06 (26.6%)
Curbs July 91 - May 06 (38.1%)
So barring Riga's first stint, KR is the best manager we've had Since RD came in based purely on win% over 5 or more games.
Astoundingly he's in the top 5 since Curbs!
1. Riga 43.75% off 16 games (Stint 1 using Powell's players plus Reza...
) 2.1. Powell 40.99% off 161 games (Super Chrissy P!)3.2. Phil Parkinson 38.6% off 114 games4.3. Karl Robinson 38.5% off 66 games5.4. Curbs. 38.1% off 720 games1.5. Riga His average is 33.3% off 36 games moving him to 5th and everyone else up 1.We all know that Curbs was the best, Powell was realistically 2nd best and Riga, Parky and Robinson don't come close to them, but statistically it's a comparison and well really I don't know what I am saying anymore... this post took ages...
Cheers
If I were KR, and my options were so limited, I'd be chatting up Lee Bowyer and asking him to sign a registration, cos LB has gotta be a better bet for the last 10-15 minutes of fixtures, than norsing up the rest of Sols's and JFC's seasons by compounding their injuries. I wonder when an amateur last played in the 3rd division? Anybody?
KR inherited a poor and small squad and has been given barely enough to stand still by RD, so has to be commended for keeping us competitive. You have to wonder what he could achieve if given proper backing and the chance to build a squad that isn't stretched to breaking point before we even put the Christmas decorations up.
I hope I am wrong, but I have been protesting because I am convinc I agree -there are no guarantees, but I'd like to see what he can do with a bit of backing.
I have to say Powell did a really good job, but built an entire team. Even he failed to continue to build the club up without funds.