It was a great club to join way back when but it's time to leave and get our own house in order. We've learnt a lot and some good ideas will remain an integral part of British society, government and the justice system ... BUT .. (to get back to the club analogy) The bouncers have taken over the dancefloor and the little twerps who got there late are right behind them .. we joined to have a trade deal, not a political union with a twat from Luxembourg taking orders from Berlin and trying to bully us .. brexit means brexit .. Jean Claude Juncker .. out out out((:>)
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Maybe not, but it is down to the UK to sort the problem out. It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Maybe not, but it is down to the UK to sort the problem out. It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
Violent deaths in the U.K. are unacceptable whatever the reason, but when it is about which church you follow, then it is especially pointless in a country that has had freedom of religion for centuries.
You and I often arrive at the same crux. The border iwill be an EU border too - do they care ? Ask the people of Greece and they will probably give the same answer.
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Maybe not, but it is down to the UK to sort the problem out. It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
Violent deaths in the U.K. are unacceptable whatever the reason, but when it is about which church you follow, then it is especially pointless in a country that has had freedom of religion for centuries.
You and I often arrive at the same crux. The border iwill be an EU border too - do they care ? Ask the people of Greece and they will probably give the same answer.
Which country do you refer to "that has had freedom of religion for centuries"?
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Maybe not, but it is down to the UK to sort the problem out. It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
Violent deaths in the U.K. are unacceptable whatever the reason, but when it is about which church you follow, then it is especially pointless in a country that has had freedom of religion for centuries.
You and I often arrive at the same crux. The border iwill be an EU border too - do they care ? Ask the people of Greece and they will probably give the same answer.
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Maybe not, but it is down to the UK to sort the problem out. It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
Violent deaths in the U.K. are unacceptable whatever the reason, but when it is about which church you follow, then it is especially pointless in a country that has had freedom of religion for centuries.
You and I often arrive at the same crux. The border iwill be an EU border too - do they care ? Ask the people of Greece and they will probably give the same answer.
The violence in Ireland has always been mainly driven by political issues, it was never a religious conflict as such, although there is a cultural religious aspect to it. I don't see the connection to Greece unless you're talking about Cyprus in some way. The EU have said they don't want a border there but the UK has voted for control of the border. As it is unique to the UK to have been so long without a land border it is down to the UK to come up with how they will manage or control the border they voted for.
Fuck apples and bananas. We could always just continue to discard hundreds of thousands of tonnes of perfectly edible fish back into the sea and be thankful to the EU for it.
Not quite sure if I'm understanding the post correctly but I'm pretty sure that is in an Eastern European grocers by the way the it says 0,90£ instead of 90p. Or is the joke that it looks like they are charging £90 for an apple?
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
Can you imagine how disappointed I am that the internet is down at home and, so, missed this until this morning?
The EU is prepared to control its borders, the default position, if the UK is outside the Customs Union/Single Market is to have stringent border controls. Neither the EU, nor the Irish Government wishes to implement such border controls, which is why you will regularly hear Simon Coveney (Minister for Foreign Affairs), etc. argue that the best possible outcome, from an Irish perspective, is for the UK to at least remain in the Customs Union.
The UK has indicated that it wants to avoid border controls, whilst also being outside of the Single Market/Customs Union, but, if this is to be achieved, the UK has to provide some kind of explanation of how this will be achieved in practice. Currently, with the exception of the suggestion regarding the CTA, nothing that the UK has suggested will prevent the imposition of controls at entry points to the EU (allowing 80% of SMEs in Northern Ireland trade cross border without any barriers is a. bonkers, because it allows for widespread illegality and b. in the absence of a wider trade agreement self-defeating, because, if trading under WTO rules, both parties would then have to allow exactly the same rights to all other WTO member states).
The difficulty that was created hundreds of years ago is simply a territorial dispute between competing nationalist identities. To one degree or another it will remain, whether the UK is in the EU or not, however, I would stress that membership of the EU, IMHO, allowed for the creation of more shared identities (where individuals could describe themselves as Northern Irish rather than Irish or British).
Membership of the EU has been key to helping build cross community relationships, because its funding and support of various initiatives could be seen to be disinterested (as in not aligned with one side or the other), and because it created a forum within which parties could meet on neutral ground.
The issue about the border is something that, in Ireland, mirrors what happened post-War of Independence - where a highly integrated economic entity is being divided for political reasons. The damage of partition in the 1920s is (like that cased by partition in India/Pakistan) still evident today.
To reintroduce a visible border, via Brexit, at the same time as it appears that the political process established by the Good Friday Agreement is breaking down (whether coincidental or not) is deeply unfortunate. There are those, limited in number (as was the Provisional IRA some 50 years ago), willing to engage in violence for their "cause". They welcome Brexit (there is anecdotal evidence that they encouraged a pro-Leave vote amongst their supporters) because it will create greater opportunity for them and will allow more targets to be identified (given the historic smuggling activities in border areas, attacks on Customs posts were often quite popular). As the PSNI have made clear, the creation of border controls in Northern Ireland will also be likely to have security implications.
Not quite sure if I'm understanding the post correctly but I'm pretty sure that is in an Eastern European grocers by the way the it says 0,90£ instead of 90p. Or is the joke that it looks like they are charging £90 for an apple?
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This is the news today, which is about those who voted for brexit to solve a problem they created.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41320740
I give it until 9.34pm tonight or 3 pages in
We've learnt a lot and some good ideas will remain an integral part of British society, government and the justice system ...
BUT .. (to get back to the club analogy) The bouncers have taken over the dancefloor and the little twerps who got there late are right behind them .. we joined to have a trade deal, not a political union with a twat from Luxembourg taking orders from Berlin and trying to bully us .. brexit means brexit .. Jean Claude Juncker .. out out out((:>)
Some people have a bit of a hair trigger, methinks;)
The problem was created hundreds of years ago and people have been rucking ever since.
Neither is new news.
It was the UK who created the problem however many years ago, and personally I don't consider 3,600 deaths in the troubles of the late Twentieth Century as a bit of rucking.
Hang on a mo, if she continues eating like this, she'll probably come through my ceiling.
Better get some accident insurance.
You and I often arrive at the same crux.
The border iwill be an EU border too - do they care ?
Ask the people of Greece and they will probably give the same answer.
The EU have said they don't want a border there but the UK has voted for control of the border. As it is unique to the UK to have been so long without a land border it is down to the UK to come up with how they will manage or control the border they voted for.
:-)
The EU is prepared to control its borders, the default position, if the UK is outside the Customs Union/Single Market is to have stringent border controls. Neither the EU, nor the Irish Government wishes to implement such border controls, which is why you will regularly hear Simon Coveney (Minister for Foreign Affairs), etc. argue that the best possible outcome, from an Irish perspective, is for the UK to at least remain in the Customs Union.
The UK has indicated that it wants to avoid border controls, whilst also being outside of the Single Market/Customs Union, but, if this is to be achieved, the UK has to provide some kind of explanation of how this will be achieved in practice. Currently, with the exception of the suggestion regarding the CTA, nothing that the UK has suggested will prevent the imposition of controls at entry points to the EU (allowing 80% of SMEs in Northern Ireland trade cross border without any barriers is a. bonkers, because it allows for widespread illegality and b. in the absence of a wider trade agreement self-defeating, because, if trading under WTO rules, both parties would then have to allow exactly the same rights to all other WTO member states).
The difficulty that was created hundreds of years ago is simply a territorial dispute between competing nationalist identities. To one degree or another it will remain, whether the UK is in the EU or not, however, I would stress that membership of the EU, IMHO, allowed for the creation of more shared identities (where individuals could describe themselves as Northern Irish rather than Irish or British).
Membership of the EU has been key to helping build cross community relationships, because its funding and support of various initiatives could be seen to be disinterested (as in not aligned with one side or the other), and because it created a forum within which parties could meet on neutral ground.
The issue about the border is something that, in Ireland, mirrors what happened post-War of Independence - where a highly integrated economic entity is being divided for political reasons. The damage of partition in the 1920s is (like that cased by partition in India/Pakistan) still evident today.
To reintroduce a visible border, via Brexit, at the same time as it appears that the political process established by the Good Friday Agreement is breaking down (whether coincidental or not) is deeply unfortunate. There are those, limited in number (as was the Provisional IRA some 50 years ago), willing to engage in violence for their "cause". They welcome Brexit (there is anecdotal evidence that they encouraged a pro-Leave vote amongst their supporters) because it will create greater opportunity for them and will allow more targets to be identified (given the historic smuggling activities in border areas, attacks on Customs posts were often quite popular). As the PSNI have made clear, the creation of border controls in Northern Ireland will also be likely to have security implications.
It's funny how things escalate, this post wasn't meant to be a debate about the EU or Brexit, it was just a joke.
I guess some people don't need an excuse, eh?