If you're a member of some cycling organisations you get it as part of the membership. Most cycling specific insurance gives it. Not sure about household insurance.
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
What exactly did he do wrong?!
And she conveniently doesn't remember anything about the incident. Read in the Mail today that the cyclist - who apparently lives if France - could be made bankrupt due to legal fees? Disgusting. Actions have consequences and her actions caused the accident, not the cyclist. I'm not a cyclist - and some of them to be fair can be a pain in the backside - but in this instance the law has proven, once again, what an ass it can be.
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
What exactly did he do wrong?!
She was looking down at her phone while crossing the road where the traffic lights were green, she deserves everything she suffered on the day, poor bloke should not have to pay a penny.
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
What exactly did he do wrong?!
She was looking down at her phone while crossing the road where the traffic lights were green, she deserves everything she suffered on the day, poor bloke should not have to pay a penny.
She should be bloody relieved it was a Cyclist and not a car or lorry - She'd have been lucky to have walked away with her life had that been the case
As is the way in London though, most people cant spend five mins walking down the road without looking at their damned phones!!
Justice not being done here. Poor guy has had 4 years of angst, and has only had damages of that scale awarded against him because he was good enough to not make a mirror claim against her. Likely to bankrupt him, apparently.
I don't see how the judgement can stand, really. It just doesn't make sense.
Sitting having a coffee under the O2 cable car in the midst of a 10 mile cycle ride up to the Thames barrier and back. Most of this is a cycle route but shared with pedestrians. When I read about this case this morning I felt very uneasy about embarking on this ride even though I have done it many many times without incident. Relieved I was able to get cover quickly and so easily simply by joining British Cycling.
I will certainly donate to his crowd fund page when I get home.
Sitting having a coffee under the O2 cable car in the midst of a 10 mile cycle ride up to the Thames barrier and back. Most of this is a cycle route but shared with pedestrians. When I read about this case this morning I felt very uneasy about embarking on this ride even though I have done it many many times without incident. Relieved I was able to get cover quickly and so easily simply by joining British Cycling.
I will certainly donate to his crowd fund page when I get home.
There are loads of negligent cyclists and pedestrians - insurance at least covers you.
Driving or cycling now so many pedestrians pay no attention.
Sitting having a coffee under the O2 cable car in the midst of a 10 mile cycle ride up to the Thames barrier and back. Most of this is a cycle route but shared with pedestrians. When I read about this case this morning I felt very uneasy about embarking on this ride even though I have done it many many times without incident. Relieved I was able to get cover quickly and so easily simply by joining British Cycling.
I will certainly donate to his crowd fund page when I get home.
There are loads of negligent cyclists and pedestrians - insurance at least covers you.
Driving or cycling now so many pedestrians pay no attention.
This case makes no sense.
Not only pedestrians not paying attention, but also so much blatant jaywalking. Really pisses me off.
If a car had hit a pedestrian like this almost certainly insurers would be paying something out, not a full on claim due to contributory negligence, but they'd be paying.
It seems unfair, but I think all road users, cyclist or otherwise should have compulsory liability insurance, not just motor propelled vehicles.
There was some cycling body spokesman on LBC yesterday morning saying they insure. On the show callers were pointing out that if 50% of the blame is allocated to the cyclist who himself was knocked out and injured because the person walked out in front of him....then surely that means he is due compensation...i.e. the payment should net off
A joke of of legal ineptitude. A road is a thoroughfare for vehicles. A pavement is a thoroughfare for pedestrians. If a vehicle strays onto a pavement it is justifiably liable. If a pedestrian walks in to the path of a cyclist on a road, it is down to them. Were braking distances even discussed?
"Mr Hazeldean fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear. Cyclists must be prepared at all times for people to behave in unexpected ways". That's what the judge said, having heard all the evidence.
I am surprised that there seems to be a number of people on this thread that are better informed about exactly what happened than the judge, who decided that blame would be shared equally.
The judge also indicated the likely costs are going to be in the region of £21,000. So far, his GoFundMe donations page has reached just over £31,000.
She got hit, knocked out and injured by a cyclist. What should she be facing in terms of punishment?
"Mr Hazeldean fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear. Cyclists must be prepared at all times for people to behave in unexpected ways". That's what the judge said, having heard all the evidence.
I am surprised that there seems to be a number of people on this thread that are better informed about exactly what happened than the judge, who decided that blame would be shared equally.
The judge also indicated the likely costs are going to be in the region of £21,000. So far, his GoFundMe donations page has reached just over £31,000.
She got hit, knocked out and injured by a cyclist. What should she be facing in terms of punishment?
No punishment but she should be prepared to take responsibility for her actions and at least pay half the costs.
The usual contrarian's idiotic comments aside it's good to see everyone is in full agreement. I cycle to and from work everyday and see pedestrians walk out into the road all the time (not to say there aren't idiots on all sides), but people walk out into the road like zombies.
I've had people walk out right in front of me without looking, probably 2 or 3 times a week, not even at lights a lot of the time, just on the cycle superhighway because they only look the way from which traffic comes and not both ways (cycle superhighways allow bikes to go both ways). My number one fear was that I would end up getting seriously hurt because of absolutely zero fault of my own, now it looks like I have to worry that through zero fault of my own I could also get sued. It really made me worry on my ride into work, I already have a camera on my bike in case someone does walk out, but this ruling would suggest that doesn't matter.
I have a hornit which I recommend everyone who commutes gets, it's basically much louder than a bell and wakes up the zombies. After that I just shout at them to stay still as I brake and take evasive action which avoids the confusion of them going back and forth.
Definitely the push I've needed to get third party cycling insurance, which to be fair I probably should have had already.
As for "road tax" it is actually "Vehicle Excise Duty" based on emissions. Bikes don't emit pollution.
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
What exactly did he do wrong?!
Didn’t stop? Most people in/on a motorised vehicle would have slammed on the anchors. Yes, you shout at her and tell her what a stupid cunt she is but you don’t run the risk of hitting her.
There was some cycling body spokesman on LBC yesterday morning saying they insure. On the show callers were pointing out that if 50% of the blame is allocated to the cyclist who himself was knocked out and injured because the person walked out in front of him....then surely that means he is due compensation...i.e. the payment should net off
Poor bloke
Yeah, that's the trouble. He didn't counterclaim (decided not to hire a lawyer). If he had there would have been a net off
"Mr Hazeldean fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear. Cyclists must be prepared at all times for people to behave in unexpected ways". That's what the judge said, having heard all the evidence.
I am surprised that there seems to be a number of people on this thread that are better informed about exactly what happened than the judge, who decided that blame would be shared equally.
The judge also indicated the likely costs are going to be in the region of £21,000. So far, his GoFundMe donations page has reached just over £31,000.
She got hit, knocked out and injured by a cyclist. What should she be facing in terms of punishment?
No punishment but she should be prepared to take responsibility for her actions and at least pay half the costs.
Just to be clear, you're saying she shouldn't go to court in case she has costs awarded against her?
"Mr Hazeldean fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear. Cyclists must be prepared at all times for people to behave in unexpected ways". That's what the judge said, having heard all the evidence.
I am surprised that there seems to be a number of people on this thread that are better informed about exactly what happened than the judge, who decided that blame would be shared equally.
The judge also indicated the likely costs are going to be in the region of £21,000. So far, his GoFundMe donations page has reached just over £31,000.
She got hit, knocked out and injured by a cyclist. What should she be facing in terms of punishment?
No punishment but she should be prepared to take responsibility for her actions and at least pay half the costs.
Just to be clear, you're saying she shouldn't go to court in case she has costs awarded against her?
No, i'm saying she should do the decent thing and pay at least half the costs.
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Most cycling specific insurance gives it. Not sure about household insurance.
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/membership?&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgLLoBRDyARIsACRAZe72Y-f6ghk_NfscV9SqSc6nXZA5yKP251IO2VeJJ1Jj_3Lc_C01IsoaAvX-EALw_wcB
He went correctly through a green light, saw her wander out without looking, hooted his horn, shouted, and swerved to avoid her (unfortunately the same way she stepped back).
What exactly did he do wrong?!
And she conveniently doesn't remember anything about the incident. Read in the Mail today that the cyclist - who apparently lives if France - could be made bankrupt due to legal fees? Disgusting. Actions have consequences and her actions caused the accident, not the cyclist. I'm not a cyclist - and some of them to be fair can be a pain in the backside - but in this instance the law has proven, once again, what an ass it can be.
Seems like a shocking miscarriage of justice.
And victimised by the judge because he didn't make a claim.
No way should he have to pay all the court expenses.
As is the way in London though, most people cant spend five mins walking down the road without looking at their damned phones!!
I don't see how the judgement can stand, really. It just doesn't make sense.
All details here, worth some support I think.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-cover-rob-hazeldean039s-legal-fees
I will certainly donate to his crowd fund page when I get home.
Driving or cycling now so many pedestrians pay no attention.
This case makes no sense.
It seems unfair, but I think all road users, cyclist or otherwise should have compulsory liability insurance, not just motor propelled vehicles.
Poor bloke
I am surprised that there seems to be a number of people on this thread that are better informed about exactly what happened than the judge, who decided that blame would be shared equally.
The judge also indicated the likely costs are going to be in the region of £21,000. So far, his GoFundMe donations page has reached just over £31,000.
She got hit, knocked out and injured by a cyclist. What should she be facing in terms of punishment?
I've had people walk out right in front of me without looking, probably 2 or 3 times a week, not even at lights a lot of the time, just on the cycle superhighway because they only look the way from which traffic comes and not both ways (cycle superhighways allow bikes to go both ways). My number one fear was that I would end up getting seriously hurt because of absolutely zero fault of my own, now it looks like I have to worry that through zero fault of my own I could also get sued. It really made me worry on my ride into work, I already have a camera on my bike in case someone does walk out, but this ruling would suggest that doesn't matter.
I have a hornit which I recommend everyone who commutes gets, it's basically much louder than a bell and wakes up the zombies. After that I just shout at them to stay still as I brake and take evasive action which avoids the confusion of them going back and forth.
Definitely the push I've needed to get third party cycling insurance, which to be fair I probably should have had already.
As for "road tax" it is actually "Vehicle Excise Duty" based on emissions. Bikes don't emit pollution.