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VAR

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  • Nope... Goal Line Tech is being used though
  • Nope wasn't used in the League 2 Playoff Final yesterday, not even sure if we get goal line technology! 
  • Heard someone saying that the cameras used for Goal Line Tech were briefly installed at the Valley for Friday night

    Of course that wouldnt need to happen at Wembley as everything will surely be in place still from the FA Cup Final
  • Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
  • Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
  • Roland does now need to cough up £250,000 for the full install of Goal Line Technology at the Valley, plus the floodlights will need a big upgrade to meet the lighting requirements in the Championship for the use of GLT. 
  • Rothko said:
    Roland does now need to cough up £250,000 for the full install of Goal Line Technology at the Valley, plus the floodlights will need a big upgrade to meet the lighting requirements in the Championship for the use of GLT. 
    We’ll blatantly be demoted back to L1 in a couple of weeks for our ground not meeting the necessary standards! 
  • Talal said:

    Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
    No, if six seconds are left when you score, there is six seconds left at the restart 
  • edited May 2019
    Talal said:

    Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
    No, if six seconds are left when you score, there is six seconds left at the restart 
    Has the rule changed then? Definitely used to be 30 seconds added on for celebrations as the clock isn't/wasn't stopped. 
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  • Just watched the highlights, there was 6 seconds between Sunderland kicking off, and Jason Pearce header away and the whistle being blown. 
  • Rothko said:
    Just watched the highlights, there was 6 seconds between Sunderland kicking off, and Jason Pearce header away and the whistle being blown. 
    Really? Fair enough then. Seemed like an age to me!
  • Rothko said:
    Just watched the highlights, there was 6 seconds between Sunderland kicking off, and Jason Pearce header away and the whistle being blown. 
    Really? Fair enough then. Seemed like an age to me!
    It just took ages to restart the game, that's what felt so long
  • I know VAR is being used in The premier League next season but is their any plans for it in The Championship?
  • I know VAR is being used in The premier League next season but is their any plans for it in The Championship?
    No, too expensive, plus also not enough refs 
  • var may have ruled pearces challenge was a foul!
  • timken said:
    var may have ruled pearces challenge was a foul!
    It may have done and it may not. It wasn't totally conclusive as we know Ozturk is a wrestler and some other angles may have shown six of one and half a dozen of the other!
  • Talal said:
    Talal said:

    Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
    No, if six seconds are left when you score, there is six seconds left at the restart 
    Has the rule changed then? Definitely used to be 30 seconds added on for celebrations as the clock isn't/wasn't stopped. 
    That’s if there is thirty seconds or more left, you don’t create more time 
  • Talal said:
    Talal said:

    Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
    No, if six seconds are left when you score, there is six seconds left at the restart 
    Has the rule changed then? Definitely used to be 30 seconds added on for celebrations as the clock isn't/wasn't stopped. 
    That’s if there is thirty seconds or more left, you don’t create more time 
    Got this from a bbc sport page. It is from 2012 which is why I wondered if the rule has changed...

    So what are the rules about stoppage time?

    The Professional Game Match Officials - the board responsible for providing the Premier League with officials and developing refereeing - provided BBC Sport with some answers.

    Is the clock stopped for goals?

    No, it's not. But they do add time (to cover celebrations). It's around 30 seconds as a rule of thumb, unless they spend five minutes celebrating. Every situation is different, they'll take each one on its merit.

  • Talal said:
    Talal said:
    Talal said:

    Thank goodness it wasn't - the unbridled joy at the end would have been tempered knowing VaR would almost certainly have been used to check there was no foul in the area. 

    Danny Baker mentioned that fans of teams using VaR will never be able to celebrate a goal the same way again - I think he has a point.

    It does not have to work that way. In CZ it is used to alert the ref to what looks like a major oversight, which he can check. 

    What is needed though is something to help a referee who has lost all sense of time. After the goal Bow is said to have asked the 4th official how long was left and had been told "6 seconds". Somehow the ref turned that into 90 seconds. Not that it matters now, but what possible grounds did he have to do that? It happens so often, and is so easy to fix.
    He has grounds to add on a bit more for the celebration doesn't he? Maybe not 84 seconds though. 
    No, if six seconds are left when you score, there is six seconds left at the restart 
    Has the rule changed then? Definitely used to be 30 seconds added on for celebrations as the clock isn't/wasn't stopped. 
    That’s if there is thirty seconds or more left, you don’t create more time 
    Got this from a bbc sport page. It is from 2012 which is why I wondered if the rule has changed...

    So what are the rules about stoppage time?

    The Professional Game Match Officials - the board responsible for providing the Premier League with officials and developing refereeing - provided BBC Sport with some answers.

    Is the clock stopped for goals?

    No, it's not. But they do add time (to cover celebrations). It's around 30 seconds as a rule of thumb, unless they spend five minutes celebrating. Every situation is different, they'll take each one on its merit.

    Exactly, or to put it less kindly, each ref makes it up as he goes along. 

    Here's how to fix it:

    Give time-keeping decision to the 4th official.

    Have him operate a clock that is wired to the stadium clock so everyone can see how much time he added on (stopped), as it happens. Players and coaches know exactly the situation, Bow would not have had to ask the 4th official. When it gets to exactly 90.00, after all the stoppages, an automatic whistle sounds, like the siren in ice hockey.

    Just what is wrong with that, other than it takes away (a little of) the "authority" of referees which some referees regard as sacrosanct? 
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