Did she understand what the mural was depicting? Of course those people died to give others the right to speak such disgusting drivel. Doesn't mean they should though. I don't think it is fair to label all students in the same way however. The student Union should sack her on the spot.
Of course she didn't that's why the rest of SUSU are distancing themselves from her. Her best bet would be to resign her position and get on with her 3rd year.
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
Did she understand what the mural was depicting? Of course those people died to give others the right to speak such disgusting drivel. Doesn't mean they should though. I don't think it is fair to label all students in the same way however. The student Union should sack her on the spot.
Of course she didn't that's why the rest of SUSU are distancing themselves from her. Her best bet would be to resign her position and get on with her 3rd year.
Well, I would say if she didn't, it would be her best form of apology to admit it. Saying that in her ignorance it was just a group of white men collecting degrees! Then as you say - resign and focus on her studies.
Bloody twitter. I long for the good old days when you could talk as much bollocks as you liked with your mates and they'd just call you a twat and make you get the next round in. Now anybody's malformed halfwit opinion is there to be splattered all over the internet for the entire planet to marvel at.
Modern life is rubbish. (That's my idiot opinion for you all to enjoy anyway!)
Bloody twitter. I long for the good old days when you could talk as much bollocks as you liked with your mates and they'd just call you a twat and make you get the next round in. Now anybody's malformed halfwit opinion is there to be splattered all over the internet for the entire planet to marvel at.
Modern life is rubbish. (That's my idiot opinion for you all to enjoy anyway!)
Bloody twitter. I long for the good old days when you could talk as much bollocks as you liked with your mates and they'd just call you a twat and make you get the next round in. Now anybody's malformed halfwit opinion is there to be splattered all over the internet for the entire planet to marvel at.
Modern life is rubbish. (That's my idiot opinion for you all to enjoy anyway!)
Blur thought this in 1993...
They were right then, and they're still right now!
Bit harsh again. None of us know her. She cant take back what has been done, so all she can do is apologise and as civilised people I think we should except it at face value, unless we have good evidence to the contrary?
My view is she is an educated individual, knew what the mural depicted and still said it anyway. The response to what she wrote forced an apology
Bit harsh again. None of us know her. She cant take back what has been done, so all she can do is apologise and as civilised people I think we should except it at face value, unless we have good evidence to the contrary?
My view is she is an educated individual, knew what the mural depicted and still said it anyway. The response to what she wrote forced an apology
Find it hard to believe she wouldn't know what it depicted and the apology sounds a little forced.
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools todaythen this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
@ValleyGary soon to be seen aboard the arcitc sunrise
Would ya.
I would. It's a double bonus for her. Whilst she's entertaining Percy she can't make a fool of herself on twitter.
It's a maybe. I'd make sure it was over quickly and she wasn't satisfied afterwards. Should be no problem for me and it would give her another reason to hate white men
Bit harsh again. None of us know her. She cant take back what has been done, so all she can do is apologise and as civilised people I think we should except it at face value, unless we have good evidence to the contrary?
My view is she is an educated individual, knew what the mural depicted and still said it anyway. The response to what she wrote forced an apology
Find it hard to believe she wouldn't know what it depicted and the apology sounds a little forced.
Indeed. You don't announce anything prefaced with "Mark my words" and then not mean to be taken literally. She's been slapped down and now she's rowing back as fast as she can.
Hopefully, this is one life lesson she's learned that £1,000s in tuition fees can't buy.
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
History is taught in schools FFS
The big argument is over what the school curriculum should cover but it surely has to cover WW1 and WW2 in some depth.
Any history teachers or parents on here who know what the secondary syllabus is likely to cover at present?
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
History is taught in schools FFS
The big argument is over what the school curriculum should cover but it surely has to cover WW1 and WW2 in some depth.
Any history teachers or parents on here who know what the secondary syllabus is likely to cover at present?
Yes, and it covers WW1 and WW2.
As I said above my son, 19, is at Uni reading history. He and everyone else in his state, non-selective schools studied history in primary and secondary school.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2
I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors
Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts
Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!
History is taught in schools FFS
The big argument is over what the school curriculum should cover but it surely has to cover WW1 and WW2 in some depth.
Any history teachers or parents on here who know what the secondary syllabus is likely to cover at present?
Just asked my mate. His missus is head of department at a secondary school in South London. She's a history teacher. First and second world war are taught as basic history for all first year students (or second year, depending on the particular curriculum being followed) ie before history is chosen as an option.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
That trip must really bring it home to the kids.
I went on the trip with my eldest a few years back, it shook the all up, one lad in particular was in absolute bits when he saw someone with his surname on the wall, they could have only been a couple of years older than him.
The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
Both my sons studied history at selective secondary school to 'A' level and then at University. School included a trip to Ypres (in year 10 or 11 I believe) and they both consider the ceremony at the Menin Gate to be one of the most moving experiences of their lives.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
That trip must really bring it home to the kids.
I went on the trip with my eldest a few years back, it shook the all up, one lad in particular was in absolute bits when he saw someone with his surname on the wall, they could have only been a couple of years older than him.
The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.
It always upsets me when you hear how young the lads were who went to fight in WW1. So many died and those who survived were haunted by what they saw - my grandfather could never really discuss it.
For kids to go there and see the scale of the slaughter brings it home in a way reading about it never could.
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
Both my sons studied history at selective secondary school to 'A' level and then at University. School included a trip to Ypres (in year 10 or 11 I believe) and they both consider the ceremony at the Menin Gate to be one of the most moving experiences of their lives.
Did this myself back in the 90s. It was GCSE history (we had covered both wars prior to GCSE, but the great war was covered in depth at GCSE). I can vouch for what your son said. I'd been before, but most students hadn't. You could have cut the atmosphere in the coach on the way back with a knife. I'm sure the student knew all this, but burst out of her echo chamber backwards it seems. And rightly so...
Maybe not now, but hopefully 20/30 years from now she will look back on this and cringe at what she has said. We all do things we regret but this one is pretty horrendous!
My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
Both my sons studied history at selective secondary school to 'A' level and then at University. School included a trip to Ypres (in year 10 or 11 I believe) and they both consider the ceremony at the Menin Gate to be one of the most moving experiences of their lives.
I am so glad I can now agree with this , the menin gate last post ceremony is a truly remarkable and I challenge anyone to not feel totally humble and in huge dept of gratitude to all those it Honours
Having just got to this thread and just seen what she'd said, I have a sneaking suspicion that she didn't know it was a WWI mural.
This is the sort of slightly faux feminism I dislike - rushed and clamouring to be intersectional as much as possible, with little to no research. It seems a little disingenuous to tweet that into what would usually be an echo chamber.
Feminism is absolutely necessary and I'm definitely proud to be feminist, but bloody hell, it would be nice if people thought before they spoke and tweeted. It's like when people use false statistics to back up a point we know is true. To paraphrase a friend who put it far better than I could:
"{We need to] publish proper research and factually accurate reports of those studies [ed: in this case, into under-reporting of sexual assault]. Not doing so seriously undermines feminism as an academic enterprise, and as a movement which relies on these studies to justify its cause.
It essentially gives the world good reason to discredit what feminists say."
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And what we have after this tweet is somewhat justified outrage and oh it's all a mess and I hate it
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Her best bet would be to resign her position and get on with her 3rd year.
Modern life is rubbish. (That's my idiot opinion for you all to enjoy anyway!)
Wow.
Hopefully, this is one life lesson she's learned that £1,000s in tuition fees can't buy.
Any history teachers or parents on here who know what the secondary syllabus is likely to cover at present?
She’s a stupid cow who got on her high horse and posted something without knowing the facts.
As I said above my son, 19, is at Uni reading history. He and everyone else in his state, non-selective schools studied history in primary and secondary school.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/310549/history_GCSE_formatted.pdf
My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.
The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.
For kids to go there and see the scale of the slaughter brings it home in a way reading about it never could.
This is the sort of slightly faux feminism I dislike - rushed and clamouring to be intersectional as much as possible, with little to no research. It seems a little disingenuous to tweet that into what would usually be an echo chamber.
Feminism is absolutely necessary and I'm definitely proud to be feminist, but bloody hell, it would be nice if people thought before they spoke and tweeted. It's like when people use false statistics to back up a point we know is true. To paraphrase a friend who put it far better than I could:
"{We need to] publish proper research and factually accurate reports of those studies [ed: in this case, into under-reporting of sexual assault]. Not doing so seriously undermines feminism as an academic enterprise, and as a movement which relies on these studies to justify its cause.
It essentially gives the world good reason to discredit what feminists say."
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And what we have after this tweet is somewhat justified outrage and oh it's all a mess and I hate it