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Another murder in Greenwich

18 year old stabbed to death in Armitage Road last night. It's all happening far too often.
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  • 18 year old stabbed to death in Armitage Road last night. It's all happening far too often.

    Bloody hell how many stabbings have there been in London this year?
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
  • edited October 23
    Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
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  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    Just glad we don't have guns. Pretty scary the murder rates in US cities.

    The rate in London is rising and that's the worry - nobody seems to have a handle on it.
  • Knife crime is on the rise... And it's a complicated mix of factors, not helped by reduced police and PCO numbers and youth services. Fundamentally it is down to the individuals, maybe due in part to their parenting and outside influences. Glad London is still relatively safe sompared to other cities of its size, and the country overall is even safer. Don't like the reversal of 20 years of improvement though.
  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    Just glad we don't have guns. Pretty scary the murder rates in US cities.

    The rate in London is rising and that's the worry - nobody seems to have a handle on it.
    Suspect the figures for murder rates taking out gang/turf and drug related killings are actually pretty stable in London. The gang and turf culture would account for most of the current rise, and the rest is probably drug related (usually linked to gangs as well). That's what needs to be fixed but, as we lurch further right as a society and towards the American model (away from responsible capitalism and towards rampant free market and protectionism) its inevitable that efforts to tackle the problem will falter. Suspect it'll get a whole lot worse in the next few years :cry:
  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    that's alright then as long as somewhere else is worse.
  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    that's alright then as long as somewhere else is worse.

    That's not what I said. What I said is that comparatively, London is safe - and that the reason your perception is changing is because of the frequency and medium in which information you consume is presented to you
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  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    that's alright then as long as somewhere else is worse.

    That's not what I said. What I said is that comparatively, London is safe - and that the reason your perception is changing is because of the frequency and medium in which information you consume is presented to you
    It may be comparatively safe but the figures are rising at present. If stuff happens near to where you live you it will worry you more -
    the murder today isn't too far from where I live and there was a shooting in the centre of Greenwich right near where I used to live a couple of weeks ago.

  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    that's alright then as long as somewhere else is worse.

    That's not what I said. What I said is that comparatively, London is safe - and that the reason your perception is changing is because of the frequency and medium in which information you consume is presented to you
    what constitutes safe?

    i think the reason why my perception is changing is the growing disrespect and no fear attitude of a generation.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    I think someone is confusing the actual news with social media, a dangerous mistake to make.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
    You are the one who mentioned the news first...

    You should try watching the news and reading a paper, it's very enlightening.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    I think someone is confusing the actual news with social media, a dangerous mistake to make.
    if you are referring to me why not just have the bottle to come out with it? again another poster who lives abroad yet knows more than someone that lives and works in london.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
    For once, words fail me.


  • Definitely on the increase, but too early to tell whether it's an upward trend or just a blip. Also, far, far safer than the majority of cities in the world, and far, far safer than NYC (which is the usual comparison that's trotted out). Social media and 24 hour news channels make it seem far more prevalent than it actually is.

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    Assume that's 115 that were killed?
    yes 115th murder in the capital this year, don't have the figures on actual knife crimes but expect it to be in the 1000s - life is so cheap nowadays
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
    that's alright then as long as somewhere else is worse.

    That's not what I said. What I said is that comparatively, London is safe - and that the reason your perception is changing is because of the frequency and medium in which information you consume is presented to you
    what constitutes safe?

    i think the reason why my perception is changing is the growing disrespect and no fear attitude of a generation.
    As an ordinary white bloke London is extremely safe but if I was a 16 black boy I think i'd be getting very nervous now.
    I'd like there to be less violent crime in London - rates do seem to be rising at present and I don't feel enough is being done to address the issue.

    I realise London is comparatively safe but when incidents happen in an area where you live or where you used to live it makes you feel less secure. Perception and reality are at play here.

    We need more solutions and less blame and petty point scoring from politicians. We can't afford to be complacent.
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  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    I think someone is confusing the actual news with social media, a dangerous mistake to make.
    if you are referring to me why not just have the bottle to come out with it? again another poster who lives abroad yet knows more than someone that lives and works in london.
    I think I was pretty clear about who I meant, however, at no point did I claim to know more about day to day life in London than you do. I was simply pointing out that you clearly don't have a strong grasp of what is dominating the news, as you later confirmed you don't consume much news, I'd say I was bang on the money.
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
    So, if you don't use news websites or buy papers or watch the news - how do you know it's more dangerous? Via anecdotal evidence and stuff you pick up on through the echo chamber of social media?
    the ever increasing signs by the police on appeal for witnesses, in the last month alone a person i know was quite seriosuly injured in bexleyheath on a saturday evening - lucky to still have his sight, a unprovoked attack by some twats that cannot handle there drink and dartford station appeal for a serious assault 1.53pm ffs
  • edited October 23

    expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
    So, if you don't use news websites or buy papers or watch the news - how do you know it's more dangerous? Via anecdotal evidence and stuff you pick up on through the echo chamber of social media?
    the ever increasing signs by the police on appeal for witnesses, in the last month alone a person i know was quite seriosuly injured in bexleyheath on a saturday evening - lucky to still have his sight, a unprovoked attack by some twats that cannot handle there drink and dartford station appeal for a serious assault 1.53pm ffs

    Those things have always happened. It's difficult to grasp this - but several things happen naturally as you get older - including noticing more going on around you (as opposed to just what interests you or is part of your social group) and becoming more fearful (risk of something bad happening to you seems greater when you have more to lose/are less able to 'defend' yourself). If you add this to wall to wall news coverage that needs to be filled somehow, along with the relatively new phenomenon of social media (which is only ever an echo chamber of your own social circle) its only obvious that everything seems to be 'getting worse'

    However, that's all 'anecdotal' evidence, versus the 'empirical' evidence of statistics. Put simply, London is a much safer city than most of those of comparative size, is not getting more dangerous (other cities that are often used as comparators, such as New York, are becoming safer, rather than London becoming more dangerous) and statistics prove that
  • expect this to be closed but its the schools/governments/societies faults. 100% not the parents or the individual carrying out the crime.
    18 years old and a kids life is gone before it starts.

    115 so far @Hastingsaddick

    and what dominates news some lettuce moaning about kleenex tissues, or people protesting about a vote that didn't get the result that they wanted.

    sad world we live in.

    No it doesn't. Sad that people have to make stuff up to make political capital out of someone's death though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

    https://www.itv.com/news/

    https://news.sky.com/
    why have you sent me links to live news websites?. i very rarely watch the news or buy a paper, i watched the news on Sunday evening, itv i think it was and the 2 in depth pieces were about a racist ryanair passenger and the peoples vote - i can only comment on what i see, as someone who lives abroad i don't see how you can really comment on how safe London is? surely you can only gauge how safe somewhere is by news etc.
    So, if you don't use news websites or buy papers or watch the news - how do you know it's more dangerous? Via anecdotal evidence and stuff you pick up on through the echo chamber of social media?
    the ever increasing signs by the police on appeal for witnesses, in the last month alone a person i know was quite seriosuly injured in bexleyheath on a saturday evening - lucky to still have his sight, a unprovoked attack by some twats that cannot handle there drink and dartford station appeal for a serious assault 1.53pm ffs
    If you want to determine policy etc you have to compile stats etc to prove your case - it can't simply be done by anecdotal evidence.

    I think there are a lot of issues with violence in London and the stats help to measure this. There is a significant rise in murders since last year.
  • Let’s think ourselves lucky that we aren’t as bad as other places, you could say it’s part and parcel of living in a major city.
  • “Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
  • Let’s think ourselves lucky that we aren’t as bad as other places, you could say it’s part and parcel of living in a major city.

    Definitely. There are benefits of and drawbacks to living in huge cities. I think the quote from above about it being part and parcel of living in a great city like London is probably from Ken Livingstone or Sadiq Khan after 7/7 or Westminster Bridge/Borough Market?
  • Let’s think ourselves lucky that we aren’t as bad as other places, you could say it’s part and parcel of living in a major city.

    Definitely. There are benefits of and drawbacks to living in huge cities. I think the quote from above about it being part and parcel of living in a great city like London is probably from Ken Livingstone or Sadiq Khan after 7/7 or Westminster Bridge/Borough Market?
    Yes it is Sadiq Khan in a quote that is often taken out of context and used as a criticism.
  • Let’s think ourselves lucky that we aren’t as bad as other places, you could say it’s part and parcel of living in a major city.

    Definitely. There are benefits of and drawbacks to living in huge cities. I think the quote from above about it being part and parcel of living in a great city like London is probably from Ken Livingstone or Sadiq Khan after 7/7 or Westminster Bridge/Borough Market?
    Yes it is Sadiq Khan in a quote that is often taken out of context and used as a criticism.
    I completely used it as a criticism as that’s the attitude, it could be worse and it’s a big city, it’s like saying these murders of predominantly young men cannot be prevented!.
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