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Large number of arrests and police raids in top flight Belgian football

https://www.hln.be/sport/voetbal/belgisch-voetbal/jupiler-pro-league/live-bayat-opgepakt-in-fraudezaak-huiszoekingen-bij-nagenoeg-alle-clubs-uit-jupiler-pro-league-volg-hier-de-recentste-ontwikkelingen~a5983d74/?referer=https://t.co/XGLJuswYb3

"The federal prosecutor has picked up football broker Mogi Bayat this morning. According to various sources, it would be an investigation into money laundering and match fixing in the Jupiler Pro League. Currently, house searches are going on at ten clubs. You can follow all developments on this page."

No mention of Duchatelet or St Truiden as far as I can see.
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  • Also mentions Standard
    When was this alleged to have happened? Possibly Roland connected that way too
    Would possibly give another reason why he wants to get out of football
  • edited October 10

    bobmunro said:

    A friendly word of advice - be careful what you say here in relation to the story and any speculation of a link with RD.

    Why?

    It's not as if the club read this site or would ever vindictively try to prosecute members on trumped up evidence that was laughed out of court.

    Oh, hang on a minute.....
    Wait what? Did @3blokes get investigated for is oddly accurate reports on what Katrien and Roland were up to at weekends?
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  • From the Belgian news article:

    Press release Standard: "Helping justice in research"
    Standard also received a visit. "This morning Standard was the subject of a search on the orders of the federal police," said the club in a press release. "After two hours we have provided all the documents that were specifically asked for. Because of its close cooperation with the federal police, Standard Liège wants to assist justice in the best possible way with the progress of the investigation and we hope that the case will be cleared up quickly. "

    Re the match fixing, any involvement of Standard would come after he sold

    It was during the investigation, the prosecutor’s office said, that indications appeared that there may have been match-fixing during the 2017-18 season.

    But it seems like they were investigating the other stuff, and came across the match fixing as a result. So the other stuff would go back further. That could be especially interesting at Standard...
  • Would love the BelgIUM authorities to seize all RD's assets and sell the club for a nicker
  • And then give the £1 to the protest fund.
    Just out of interest are the Belgium ob CARD members?
  • Some of them follow CARD and ROT on Twitter I’ve heard. Not sure they’ve paid their subs though.
  • edited October 10
    I wonder if if any of it links back to RD's ownership and would thave any implications on our football club.. That said Charlton wern't raided so maybe not.
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  • edited October 11
    First, I'm not a fan of RD . Also, I'm convinced an enormous amount of people, both in the North and in the South of Belgium, don't like the guy . (With good reason) But … are you aware he got in your lives, because he dislikes the phenomenon what is now in the Belgian media ? He tried to get rid of brokers like Bayat, because he thought they had too much influence and were corrupting the game . These brokers also were/are getting rich on the backs of the players and the football clubs . To counter this, he bought Ujpest, Alcorcon, St-Truiden and Charlton . What I'm saying was also confirmed yesterday by specialists, yesterday on our national television .
  • edited October 11
    skywalker said:

    First, I'm not a fan of RD . Also, I'm convinced an enormous amount of people, both in the North and in the South of Belgium, don't like the guy . (With good reason) But … are you aware he got in your lives, because he dislikes the phenomenon what is now in the Belgian media ? He tried to get rid of brokers like Bayat, because he thought they had too much influence and were corrupting the game . These brokers also were/are getting rich on the backs of the players and the football clubs . To counter this, he bought Ujpest, Alcorcon, St-Truiden and Charlton . What I'm saying was also confirmed yesterday by specialists, yesterday on our national television .

    Hi @Skywalker. Yes, a lot of us agreed with him on the principle he was talking about. It was one the reasons why a lot of us were cautiously positive about him at first.

    One of the main personal problems about him though is that what he says and what he does, appear to be two quite different things. So I have forgotten the exact name but we all need to remember the Israeli agent that became his go-to guy. Dudu Duhan, something like that? So basically "agents are bad for the game, unless of course it's an agent I have selected, in which case he can be trusted to bring the best players for six different clubs". Yeah, right.

    Of course also, any owner who wanted to perhaps get round certain rules regarding third party ownership, would certainly need one agent whom he would trust to partner with him in such a scheme. Of course I am not claiming any such thing happened, just referring to the darker beliefs shared by the Standard Socios...

    Of course too, he had other brilliant schemes to make Belgian football better didn't he? Like merging the Belgian league with the Dutch one....

    A greedy bastard who desperately craves the love of ordinary people, and thus seeks to pretend his greedy self-serving plans are for the 'greater good'. Plenty of them around the world, not least in the UK...

  • RD is indeed a greedy bastard . However, I happen to be also in favour of a BeNeLeague .( Belgium-The Netherlands) We now have a provincial town (Eupen) in the Jupiler League, with about 1000 fans showing up , every home game . How can they pay wages, infrastructure, etc … ?
  • skywalker said:

    First, I'm not a fan of RD . Also, I'm convinced an enormous amount of people, both in the North and in the South of Belgium, don't like the guy . (With good reason) But … are you aware he got in your lives, because he dislikes the phenomenon what is now in the Belgian media ? He tried to get rid of brokers like Bayat, because he thought they had too much influence and were corrupting the game . These brokers also were/are getting rich on the backs of the players and the football clubs . To counter this, he bought Ujpest, Alcorcon, St-Truiden and Charlton . What I'm saying was also confirmed yesterday by specialists, yesterday on our national television .

    Hi @Skywalker. Yes, a lot of us agreed with him on the principle he was talking about. It was one the reasons why a lot of us were cautiously positive about him at first.

    One of the main personal problems about him though is that what he says and what he does, appear to be two quite different things. So I have forgotten the exact name but we all need to remember the Israeli agent that became his go-to guy. Dudu Duhan, something like that? So basically "agents are bad for the game, unless of course it's an agent I have selected, in which case he can be trusted to bring the best players for six different clubs". Yeah, right.

    Of course also, any owner who wanted to perhaps get round certain rules regarding third party ownership, would certainly need one agent whom he would trust to partner with him in such a scheme. Of course I am not claiming any such thing happened, just referring to the darker beliefs shared by the Standard Socios...

    Of course too, he had other brilliant schemes to make Belgian football better didn't he? Like merging the Belgian league with the Dutch one....

    A greedy bastard who desperately craves the love of ordinary people, and thus seeks to pretend his greedy self-serving plans are for the 'greater good'. Plenty of them around the world, not least in the UK...

    I wouldn't say RD is against third-party ownership, just against third-party ownership if he's not the third party. See Michy Batshuayi
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  • skywalker said:

    RD is indeed a greedy bastard . However, I happen to be also in favour of a BeNeLeague .( Belgium-The Netherlands) We now have a provincial town (Eupen) in the Jupiler League, with about 1000 fans showing up , every home game . How can they pay wages, infrastructure, etc … ?

    That's interesting. Do you think a good number of fans in both countries were in favour?

    One of the barriers might be that if you have one league, FIFA might say you have to have one national team from it. And of course Euro qualification, if anything a bigger barrier. That has certainly been one of the (several ) barriers to a British league...
  • skywalker said:

    First, I'm not a fan of RD . Also, I'm convinced an enormous amount of people, both in the North and in the South of Belgium, don't like the guy . (With good reason) But … are you aware he got in your lives, because he dislikes the phenomenon what is now in the Belgian media ? He tried to get rid of brokers like Bayat, because he thought they had too much influence and were corrupting the game . These brokers also were/are getting rich on the backs of the players and the football clubs . To counter this, he bought Ujpest, Alcorcon, St-Truiden and Charlton . What I'm saying was also confirmed yesterday by specialists, yesterday on our national television .

    So Duchatelet told me and a few others in May of this year that, when he owned Standard, Anderlecht bought two games to cost them the title. Is there any record that he reported this? If not, why not? Maybe he also had something to hide?
  • skywalker said:

    RD is indeed a greedy bastard . However, I happen to be also in favour of a BeNeLeague .( Belgium-The Netherlands) We now have a provincial town (Eupen) in the Jupiler League, with about 1000 fans showing up , every home game . How can they pay wages, infrastructure, etc … ?

    That's interesting. Do you think a good number of fans in both countries were in favour?

    One of the barriers might be that if you have one league, FIFA might say you have to have one national team from it. And of course Euro qualification, if anything a bigger barrier. That has certainly been one of the (several ) barriers to a British league...
    The reason Fifa, are so insistent on not having a British league, using the national teams reason, isn't they anything to do with national teams. It's the home countries "unique" position in governing the rules of the game.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board

    1 board would remove that problem, which I am sure would quite please Fifa.

    I seem to remember UEFA being quite support of the proposed Atlantic league (the top teams from Scotland, Belgium, Holland and Portugal). It was the, surprisingly, the premier league and bundersliga that made sure it didn't happen. Wonder what would make them do that ;-)

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/14/atlantic-league-football-europe-scotland-scandinavia-belgium

    The general consensus in that artical seems to be, great idea but we still want to qualify for Europe every year and it might screw the rest of the domestic leagues.

    A British league isn't a great comparison, there are already Welsh teams in the English leagues, at least 5?, an English team in the Scottish league and Gretna moved from one to the other.

    Also if you put the top, say 8 teams from each of Holland and Belgium together you are comparing apples with apples. If you did the same with England and Scotland you are comparing St mirran and Everton!
  • Oh and there is, at the moment, a country called Great Britain, there isn't one called beneland :tongue:
  • skywalker said:

    First, I'm not a fan of RD . Also, I'm convinced an enormous amount of people, both in the North and in the South of Belgium, don't like the guy . (With good reason) But … are you aware he got in your lives, because he dislikes the phenomenon what is now in the Belgian media ? He tried to get rid of brokers like Bayat, because he thought they had too much influence and were corrupting the game . These brokers also were/are getting rich on the backs of the players and the football clubs . To counter this, he bought Ujpest, Alcorcon, St-Truiden and Charlton . What I'm saying was also confirmed yesterday by specialists, yesterday on our national television .

    So Duchatelet told me and a few others in May of this year that, when he owned Standard, Anderlecht bought two games to cost them the title. Is there any record that he reported this? If not, why not? Maybe he also had something to hide?
    You would think Anderlecht would know better, not like they have previous!

  • What RD said yesterday to website HLN :

    08:16 Duchâtelet: "In 2014 also cheating when matching Anderlecht" Roland Duchâtelet is convinced that match fixing by brokers has been going on for some time. The former chairman of Standard points to the playoffs in the 2013-2014 season. "Weird things happened then." Anderlecht started from a lost position at the playoffs, but in the end they still became champions, at the expense of Standard. "We had a generous lead, but it narrowed considerably," says Duchâtelet. "I already said that something was wrong, but it has never been properly researched, but there are two matches from Anderlecht in those playoffs that are suspicious, but I can not say which ones. well behind, hopefully there will be clarity. " (JBG / NVK)


  • What RD said yesterday to website HLN :

    08:16 Duchâtelet: "In 2014 also cheating when matching Anderlecht" Roland Duchâtelet is convinced that match fixing by brokers has been going on for some time. The former chairman of Standard points to the playoffs in the 2013-2014 season. "Weird things happened then." Anderlecht started from a lost position at the playoffs, but in the end they still became champions, at the expense of Standard. "We had a generous lead, but it narrowed considerably," says Duchâtelet. "I already said that something was wrong, but it has never been properly researched, but there are two matches from Anderlecht in those playoffs that are suspicious, but I can not say which ones. well behind, hopefully there will be clarity. " (JBG / NVK)

    So is he accusing his club of complicity?

  • Not at all. RD's club Standard Liege had a comfortable lead in the play-offs but nonetheless Anderlecht ended up champions at Standard's expense. It seems there are two matches in particular which are dubious, and Roland hopes they will be investigated and the issues clarified.
  • What RD fails to mention was that if Standard had beaten Club Brugge on the play offs, then they would have been champions.

    He's suggesting that Club Brugge threw the play off game against Anderlecht as they won when down to ten men. Pretty sure that result cost Brugge a Champions League spot which does seem an unlikely game to throw.
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