And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
Ah man, the meritocracy; box-ticking; "do it if they're good enough" arguments coming back out again. I've tried to articulate time and again as to why sometimes diversity needs to be artificially encouraged. I'll list a few thoughts below:
- Various BAME footballing figures have said they've experienced a form of discrimination in football when it comes to coaching roles. It's imperative that we listen to their experiences, otherwise it's eminently possible that their voices are marginalised even further than we've seen historically.
- As has been mentioned, why are there so few black coaches relative to black footballers? We're now I'd say at least 15-20 years on from when a lot of coaches/managers would have been playing, and yet it's still overwhelmingly white former players who are now in coaching roles. We have to examine the reasons for this (one of which is potentially discrimination as various BAME figures have alluded to).
- I don't think there's intentional racism on an institutional level. I do think, however, that structures in football are still predominantly "white". (Even if you think about, say, the community courses that Charlton run, there certainly weren't many black kids on those courses when I was young [early 2000s] and I don't know how much that's changed now.)
- The above point, of course, can also be linked into more sociological reasons and how in particular the black British community (along with British Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) is still far more likely to suffer from poverty/child poverty; unemployment; and similar. Again, there's a wide range of social issues to consider here and I appreciate this is starting to widen the scope of the discussion of positive discrimination a bit too broadly.
In summary, I think positive discrimination and actively attempting to recruit BAME coaches/staff can only be a good thing until such time as social problems facing the BAME community can be rectified from the ground up, rather than sort of artificially ensuring their presence at the top end of society. Hope that makes sense.
BAME? Never use an acronym without using the full name of the organisation etc first. For example if you were talking about motor car breakdown services you would say the Automobile Association (AA) and then you could continue to use AA in the rest of your piece. What does BAME stand for please?
Sorry. Didn't realise my writing on an Internet forum had to confirm to the BBC Style Guide.
Let me quickly Google that for you.
*googles, which takes all of 1 second*
Black, Asian, and minority ethnic.
BBC style guide? No it’s a basic rule of English language. See, you’ve learnt something new today. You had to google it to find what it stood for? You shouldn’t use acronyms that you don’t know the meaning of either.
And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
New phone, who dis?
This is like a snapshot of my life. KA's passive aggression reminds me so much of my kids (little fuckers god love em) and Greenie's posts are usually how I end up reacting. 😀
And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
New phone, who dis?
This is like a snapshot of my life. KA's passive aggression reminds me so much of my kids (little fuckers god love em) and Greenie's posts are usually how I end up reacting. 😀
We have that father son relationship, don’t we @Greenie ?
And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
New phone, who dis?
This is like a snapshot of my life. KA's passive aggression reminds me so much of my kids (little fuckers god love em) and Greenie's posts are usually how I end up reacting. 😀
We have that father son relationship, don’t we @Greenie ?
And I only made a jokey comment about Greenie's hatred of My Bad (sorry Greenie) to lighten the bloody mood.
That went tits up.
Hey no worries @Curb_It , you knew the joke, I'm just getting a bit fed up with the other bloke digging me out time after time. Hopefully he's back under his stone.
Yeah who was that guy? Jeez.
@kentaddick I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it. What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever. Have a little think about it will you.
New phone, who dis?
This is like a snapshot of my life. KA's passive aggression reminds me so much of my kids (little fuckers god love em) and Greenie's posts are usually how I end up reacting. 😀
We have that father son relationship, don’t we @Greenie ?
I see Greenie dished out a flag above... and i doubt it has anything to do the with topic and the subsequent argument.
CL resident troll, best to ignore.
So still following me around on here with your little digs. I guess you are going to be a cunt all your sad life.
i love you.
Ahh the online melt. Metaphorically puts his hands up for a row, the other person stands up for themselves, melt shits himself and tries to respond with humour. Tell you what Kuntaddick, lets make a deal, you ignore me and Ill ignore you to get along with your sad internet life which no doubt fluctuates between visits to pornhub and CL. I think thats best. I have no doubt that the decent CL posters are as bored with it as I am.
I dunno mate, both cracking sites I'll probably never get bored of :-)
Yeah, but what makes you so sure you're a "decent CL poster"?
Great idea. Having more black coaches/managers at every level of the game has to be a good thing.
Why does it make any difference these days? People are over the top, the colour of your skin is irrelevant, same goes for gender/ what sexuality you are.
laughable people are even thinking of Sol Campbell when he hasn't done anything, needs to find a non league side and work up the leagues imo.
It SHOULDN'T make any difference, @johnnybev1987 , but if you ask anyone who is not a white heterosexual male for their life experience I bet a very large percentage will be able to give you chapter and verse of discrimination they have personally experienced.
While discrimination and bias still exist, there will remain an argument for all black / all female / etc. shortlists, especially in high profile jobs where the successful candidate will also act as a role model for their group of people. Of course this aim will fall at the first hurdle if they are not competent (KM for example), but surely we are not suggesting that all possible black candidates for an England coaching job would be in that category?
The 2nd was a chinesse restaurant and I was rejected because I was English and not Chinesse.
Why can't we just select the best available coaches? It really shouldnt matter where their families are from.
Absolutely, we just need a panel of black people to make the appointment and ensure that it is all fair and above board. After all, we have been doing it the other way round since the beginning of time so good to ring a few changes.
Would be an enormous loss to us should Jason head to pastures knew. However, he is exceptionally good at what he does, good source told me St. George's Park was an ambition and didn't want to get involved with the first team, enjoys his role and seems his niche. So a coach that has developed Gomez, Konsa, Djiksteel, Lookman, Lapslie, Morgan for starters doesn't have a bad CV. Irrespective of race, colour or creed, Jason Euell is exceptionally good at his job and if he is tapped up by the FA it will be based on talent alone. Wholly sensible man and a role model. Won me a few quid during his playing career, holds a record that won't be bettered for while either. Just a shame that a lot of his hard work has found itself in the wrong pocket.
1. Sol Campbell 3/1 2. Diane Abbott 4/1 3. A black actor on Pornhub 6/1 4. A black Jew living in Tunbridge Wells 8/1 5. Trevor McDonald 10/1 6. Jason Euell 12/1 7. Alan Curbishley 14/1 8. Greenie 20/1 9. Michael Appleton 33/1 10. Denzel Washington 100/1
Ah man, the meritocracy; box-ticking; "do it if they're good enough" arguments coming back out again. I've tried to articulate time and again as to why sometimes diversity needs to be artificially encouraged. I'll list a few thoughts below:
- Various BAME footballing figures have said they've experienced a form of discrimination in football when it comes to coaching roles. It's imperative that we listen to their experiences, otherwise it's eminently possible that their voices are marginalised even further than we've seen historically.
- As has been mentioned, why are there so few black coaches relative to black footballers? We're now I'd say at least 15-20 years on from when a lot of coaches/managers would have been playing, and yet it's still overwhelmingly white former players who are now in coaching roles. We have to examine the reasons for this (one of which is potentially discrimination as various BAME figures have alluded to).
- I don't think there's intentional racism on an institutional level. I do think, however, that structures in football are still predominantly "white". (Even if you think about, say, the community courses that Charlton run, there certainly weren't many black kids on those courses when I was young [early 2000s] and I don't know how much that's changed now.)
- The above point, of course, can also be linked into more sociological reasons and how in particular the black British community (along with British Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) is still far more likely to suffer from poverty/child poverty; unemployment; and similar. Again, there's a wide range of social issues to consider here and I appreciate this is starting to widen the scope of the discussion of positive discrimination a bit too broadly.
In summary, I think positive discrimination and actively attempting to recruit BAME coaches/staff can only be a good thing until such time as social problems facing the BAME community can be rectified from the ground up, rather than sort of artificially ensuring their presence at the top end of society. Hope that makes sense.
This is so well articulated and such a great representation of the problems in football with the ideas that we somehow have a "meritocracy."
Let me add one more: Sam Allardcye, Mark Hughes, and Alan Pardew keep getting work.
Why would Sam Allardyce continually getting work be counter to meritocracy. I hate his style of football and his insessant moaning about refs but fairly certain I am right in saying he has never had a team relegated despite picking up desperate situations at Palace and Sunderland to name two. Plus he took Bolton to Europe and both West Ham and Blackburn were relegated after he left and their new managers tried total football which failed.
If I was an owner of a club interested in securing the finance of the PL season after season I would quite possibly employ him.
Good luck Jase, hope he gets the gig and is a huge success and inspiration for others to follow. He has certainly earned his stripes with us. It is a shame it is under a positive discrimination recruitment drive but for the many reasons given above that is the situation football is currently in and hopefully once the likes of Jase have shown what an asset and wonderful job they can do this will not be required in future as diversification in football management and coaching becomes the norm.
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I have asked you to not converse with me on here, for some reason you just cant do it.
What the fuck is so wrong with your social skills that you cant grasp that someone is bored with you, and does not want any interaction with you whatsoever.
Have a little think about it will you.
little fuckersgod love em) and Greenie's posts are usually how I end up reacting. 😀1. Sol Campbell 3/1
2. Diane Abbott 4/1
3. A black actor on Pornhub 6/1
4. A black Jew living in Tunbridge Wells 8/1
5. Trevor McDonald 10/1
6. Jason Euell 12/1
7. Alan Curbishley 14/1
8. Greenie 20/1
9. Michael Appleton 33/1
10. Denzel Washington 100/1
If I was an owner of a club interested in securing the finance of the PL season after season I would quite possibly employ him.
Good luck Jase, hope he gets the gig and is a huge success and inspiration for others to follow. He has certainly earned his stripes with us. It is a shame it is under a positive discrimination recruitment drive but for the many reasons given above that is the situation football is currently in and hopefully once the likes of Jase have shown what an asset and wonderful job they can do this will not be required in future as diversification in football management and coaching becomes the norm.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sol-campbell-accepts-offer-assist-13344472