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Penalty shoot out question...

What is to stop a player deliberately "doing" the opposition goalkeeper towards the end of extra time so he can't take part in a penalty shoot out?

Picture the scene - world cup final, couple of minutes to go and its England vs Brazil. All square and heading for penalties. Neither team has any subs left.

What is stopping someone "sacrificial" like Gary Cahill taking one for the team and going and injuring the opposition goalie so they have to play an outfield player to go in goal for the penalty shoot out.

Cahill would get a ban but would probably take international retirement and be a hero to his nation.

I wonder why it hasn't ever happened before

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  • Schumacher did it the other way to Battiston.
  • Pride.
  • What happened to the ABBA system?

    No Swedish band jokes
  • What happened to the ABBA system?

    No Swedish band jokes

    Good luck with that.
  • That's taking cheating to another level. How badly do you have to go in to deliberately injure a keeper anyway? Break a leg? Would possibly ending another players career really earn a player a heroes reception in England? Doubt it.

    That might wash in South America but he wouldn't get another job in football if he did that whether we won or not - the press would pulverise him and rightly so. No TV pundit work, no coaching or managerial work, nobody would touch him with a barge pole after that.

    And the whole world would know England cheated to win the world cup we would get zero kudos or respect for that.
  • That's taking cheating to another level. How badly do you have to go in to deliberately injure a keeper anyway? Break a leg? Would possibly ending another players career really earn a player a heroes reception in England? Doubt it.

    That might wash in South America but he wouldn't get another job in football if he did that whether we won or not - the press would pulverise him and rightly so. No TV pundit work, no coaching or managerial work, nobody would touch him with a barge pole after that.

    And the whole world would know England cheated to win the world cup we would get zero kudos or respect for that.

    But apart from that you'd go with it - right?

    I'm really surprised it's never happened going by some of the shithouse behaviour at this World Cup
  • What happened to the ABBA system?

    No Swedish band jokes

    It met its Waterloo
  • Swisdom said:

    What is to stop a player deliberately "doing" the opposition goalkeeper towards the end of extra time so he can't take part in a penalty shoot out?

    Picture the scene - world cup final, couple of minutes to go and its England vs Brazil. All square and heading for penalties. Neither team has any subs left.

    What is stopping someone "sacrificial" like Gary Cahill taking one for the team and going and injuring the opposition goalie so they have to play an outfield player to go in goal for the penalty shoot out.

    Cahill would get a ban but would probably take international retirement and be a hero to his nation.

    I wonder why it hasn't ever happened before

    Are you Dave Brailsford?
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  • i'm sure players have probably been targeted in a more subtle way towards the end of extra time to nobble penalty takers, but I think the main reason it doesn't happen is in the mindset of the players it only takes one moment to score and not need to go to penalties in the first place and players will do everything they can to avoid them (unless they are Russia against Spain I suppose but even they would have broken up field if they could have in the last minute)
  • One thing I have wondered is what happens if penalties need to be taken by the whole team to get a result when one team has less than 11 players. Let’s say Team A has two players sent off who are bad penalty takers and it’s level after 9 kicks each. Surely, Team A has an advantage as its best penalty takers can take a second penalty while Team B would be using their 10th and 11th choices. Or, does something else happen?
  • edited July 6

    One thing I have wondered is what happens if penalties need to be taken by the whole team to get a result when one team has less than 11 players. Let’s say Team A has two players sent off who are bad penalty takers and it’s level after 9 kicks each. Surely, Team A has an advantage as its best penalty takers can take a second penalty while Team B would be using their 10th and 11th choices. Or, does something else happen?

    This was mentioned the other day.

    If team A has 2 players sent off
    Team B nominate 2 players not to take a penalty

    http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/82458/penalty-shoot-outs#latest
  • One thing I have wondered is what happens if penalties need to be taken by the whole team to get a result when one team has less than 11 players. Let’s say Team A has two players sent off who are bad penalty takers and it’s level after 9 kicks each. Surely, Team A has an advantage as its best penalty takers can take a second penalty while Team B would be using their 10th and 11th choices. Or, does something else happen?

    This was mentioned the other day.

    If team A has 2 players sent off
    Team B nominate 2 players not to take a penalty
    If I was the manager of team B, the two players I would choose to nominate would both be team A players.
  • I reckon if it was seen to be deliberate (ie, the player was shown a straight red) the ref would allow a sub keeper.
  • edited July 7

    That's taking cheating to another level. How badly do you have to go in to deliberately injure a keeper anyway? Break a leg? Would possibly ending another players career really earn a player a heroes reception in England? Doubt it.

    That might wash in South America but he wouldn't get another job in football if he did that whether we won or not - the press would pulverise him and rightly so. No TV pundit work, no coaching or managerial work, nobody would touch him with a barge pole after that.

    And the whole world would know England cheated to win the world cup we would get zero kudos or respect for that.

    But in the end the winner takes it all.

    I don't want to talk
    About the things we've gone through
    Though it's hurting me
    Now it's history
    I've played all my cards
    And that's what you've done too
    Nothing more to say
    No more ace to play
    Except to break the goalies leg.
  • edited July 7
    Do penalty shoot out goals go towards your personal goal tally or are on,y goals scored in 90 + 30 min extra time included?
  • Solidgone said:

    Do penalty shoot out goals go towards your personal goal tally or are on,y goals scored in 90 + 30 min extra time included?

    No, they don't
  • Solidgone said:

    Do penalty shoot out goals go towards your personal goal tally or are on,y goals scored in 90 + 30 min extra time included?

    Only those in real game time.
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