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  • charltonJ said:

    A brilliant opportunity for far right wankers to feel oppressed. Fuck them and everything they stand for. I don't for a moment believe that this dickhead cares about child abuse, he cares about race.

    What race?
    Race as an issue.
  • edited May 2018
    DRAddick said:

    We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    I highly doubt that. Can you link to any reliable sources with facts that show this? More likely to be 85% of current suspects in the public eye are Asian males.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html


    And that’s from the independent, as opposed to the sun, daily mail ( right wing newspapers LOL )

    These type of paedophilic rings tend to be Asian, what I am not saying is 85% of all peaophiles in the U.K. are Asian.
  • DRAddick said:

    We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    I highly doubt that. Can you link to any reliable sources with facts that show this? More likely to be 85% of current suspects in the public eye are Asian males.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html


    And that’s from the independent, as opposed to the sun, daily mail ( right wing newspapers LOL )

    These type of paedophilic rings tend to be Asian, what I am not saying is 85% of all peaophiles in the U.K. are Asian.
    Glad you edited that... It does seem to be a very particular issue it seems to Pakistani men. There was another case recently involving a mother being imprisoned for sending her daughter to Pakistan to marry a much older relative. This is a cultural thing that is utter anathema to most in this country, and has to be be dealt with - unlike it was by the police in Rochdale. Bit please, don't let that bellend "Tommy Robinson" be the voice against it.
  • I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.
  • edited May 2018
    aliwibble said:
    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
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  • cafcfan said:

    McBobbin said:

    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.

    Yes, indeed. Many would be shocked to know that 200,000 children, some as young as ten, were married in one particular country in the last 15 years. Step forward the US of A and take a bow. https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html
    Bad, but not quite as bad as the headline would have you believe.

    Eight-seven per cent of the minors who married across the country between 2000 and 2015 were girls, with the majority either 16 or 17.
  • cafcfan said:

    McBobbin said:

    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.

    Yes, indeed. Many would be shocked to know that 200,000 children, some as young as ten, were married in one particular country in the last 15 years. Step forward the US of A and take a bow. https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html
    This is worth reading as well: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41727495/why-does-the-us-have-so-many-child-brides
  • Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Superb post.
  • aliwibble said:
    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
    Maybe if we protected the kids in the 1st place.
  • Ezra Levant seems nice.

    Unfortunately he's from my neck of the woods here in Alberta - he is absolutely hated out here, a really nasty piece of work.
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  • edited May 2018
    Leaving TR aside, why are most of these trials kept quiet and why could they be jeopardised by reporters outside the courts? I thought that usually the police want as much publicity as possible, just in case there are more victims. You only have to look at other high profile cases like Rolph Harris, Max Clifford and even Cliff Richard, where the BBC went out their way and broke the rules to cover and publicise the investigation (helicopter filming the police going in and reporters, reporting "live" from his doorstep), even though there was no case brought in the end.
  • edited May 2018
    Wrong thread, post removed
  • aliwibble said:
    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
    Maybe if we protected the kids in the 1st place.
    The kids might end up in more danger now - if his actions do lead to a mistrial then the people involved could end up walking free.
  • Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Looking at the comments of the judge that just convicted him, he wasn't actually "attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events" he was videoing himself screaming "Muslim rapists" etc at the accused (before they've been convicted), presumably to the delight of the morons that look up to him.

    I genuinely don't see why you wouldn't vilify a man repeatedly doing this.
  • What carter said with bells on
  • We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    You did not mention this specific trial though. You wrote: " We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact".

    I proved your "fact" was, in fact, wrong, by showing you that it does get coverage.

    The problem is that like many people on other social media platforms, too many people get their "facts" from right wing websites and facebook pages. The OP's link being a prime example, where the right winger spouting off "forgot" to mention the suspended sentence. As with certain other threads, people change tack suddenly after being proved wrong. Your credibility is improved by recognising when you have been given wrong information, not diminished.

    Others have explained why the current trial has restrictions placed on it. I have had my opinion changed after reading what has been written. I was wrong because I had not looked at the information properly.

    You are correct that there is undoubtedly a serious problem, and the large majority of groups attacking vulnerable youngsters are of Asian (mainly Pakistani, in fact) origin. This link makes interesting reading, and if Yaxley-Lennon had been outside one of the trials of Type 2 abusers, I might believe that he could have a motivation beyond hatred of Islam and Asians.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs
  • Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because he IS being racist. As others have said he's only turned up at non-White trials and he has done no ''reporting" just hung around like a bad smell shouting racial insults.

    Maybe more should be done to raise awareness but not like that and not by him.
  • thenewbie said:

    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because he IS being racist. As others have said he's only turned up at non-White trials and he has done no ''reporting" just hung around like a bad smell shouting racial insults.

    Maybe more should be done to raise awareness but not like that and not by him.

    Can you please provide some links to this?
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