I've just sent this to the wife - she came home yesterday and announced that her backside had set off the alarm in the lift at work. On that basis alone she has absolutely no chance of getting into one of their seats even if she is only 10st 10lb!
I've just sent this to the wife - she came home yesterday and announced that her backside had set off the alarm in the lift at work. On that basis alone she has absolutely no chance of getting into one of their seats even if she is only 10st 10lb!
You've sent your wife a link to an item about waist size limit of 52 inches? Brave. Very brave.
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Airplane crashes and car crashes aren't really comparable though. The only time they might be is during taxi, loading/unloading and towing but according to the stats that I found, 0% of plane crashes occur in those circumstances. For a crash whilst in flight, do you really think an airbag will make a difference?
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Airplane crashes and car crashes aren't really comparable though. The only time they might be is during taxi, loading/unloading and towing but according to the stats that I found, 0% of plane crashes occur in those circumstances. For a crash whilst in flight, do you really think an airbag will make a difference?
Would several airlines invest in them if they weren't of use?
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Airplane crashes and car crashes aren't really comparable though. The only time they might be is during taxi, loading/unloading and towing but according to the stats that I found, 0% of plane crashes occur in those circumstances. For a crash whilst in flight, do you really think an airbag will make a difference?
Just sit in the back of the plane, a plane never backs into a mountain.
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Airplane crashes and car crashes aren't really comparable though. The only time they might be is during taxi, loading/unloading and towing but according to the stats that I found, 0% of plane crashes occur in those circumstances. For a crash whilst in flight, do you really think an airbag will make a difference?
Would several airlines invest in them if they weren't of use?
Maybe perception is more important than effectiveness?
I've just sent this to the wife - she came home yesterday and announced that her backside had set off the alarm in the lift at work. On that basis alone she has absolutely no chance of getting into one of their seats even if she is only 10st 10lb!
You've sent tour wife a link to an item about waist size limit of 52 inches? Brave. Very brave.
Indeed - especially as I'm the one with the 52 inch waist.
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Airplane crashes and car crashes aren't really comparable though. The only time they might be is during taxi, loading/unloading and towing but according to the stats that I found, 0% of plane crashes occur in those circumstances. For a crash whilst in flight, do you really think an airbag will make a difference?
Would several airlines invest in them if they weren't of use?
Maybe perception is more important than effectiveness?
90% of plane crashes are survivable. So, if seatbelt airbags increase your chances of surviving one of those accidents, it's probably a good thing.
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Pretty much sums it up. I don't imagine any of the hijacked passengers on 9/11 would still be alive today if they'd had airbags!
But that's like saying we shouldn't have seat belts in cars, because some people wearing seat belts have been killed in car crashes.
Have to agree, there's only a 1 in 8 chance of being killed in a plane crash (the majority of "crashes" aren't 9/11 or into a mountain), so there is potential here to save a lot of injuries, presuming of course they don't go off in the cases listed above which could cause more injuries than they prevent.
Presumably Thai airlines have done some valid research, if for no other reason than to avoid getting sued by passengers injured by incorrectly triggered airbags.
21 airlines fit them (some only to first or business, obviously coz its sooo much more important to save the rich), but no data an how many/if any injuries or deaths they have prevented.
21 airlines fit them (some only to first or business, obviously coz its sooo much more important to save the rich), but no data an how many/if any injuries or deaths they have prevented.
The reasons they're used more often in business and first class cabins is due to their specific use. They are used when the seat does not have a seat immediately in front of it. So, if you're sitting behind a bulkhead, you might have one; or if you're sitting in a stacked seat, ie those business and first class seats that are angled, so that you are not facing the direction of travel, but at an angle to it.
In normal economy seats there usually isn't the space in front of you to deploy the bag.
21 airlines fit them (some only to first or business, obviously coz its sooo much more important to save the rich), but no data an how many/if any injuries or deaths they have prevented.
The reasons they're used more often in business and first class cabins is due to their specific use. They are used when the seat does not have a seat immediately in front of it. So, if you're sitting behind a bulkhead, you might have one; or if you're sitting in a stacked seat, ie those business and first class seats that are angled, so that you are not facing the direction of travel, but at an angle to it.
In normal economy seats there usually isn't the space in front of you to deploy the bag.
I really doubt this No bulkheads in economy? Zodiac make a bulkhead airbag - why not deploy this in economy? If there is a seat in front of you there is just as much need for an airbag. How would the airbag work on an angle? - if you look at the testing that's been done it is all front facing.
No this is about $$, winning customers and losing the fatties.
21 airlines fit them (some only to first or business, obviously coz its sooo much more important to save the rich), but no data an how many/if any injuries or deaths they have prevented.
The reasons they're used more often in business and first class cabins is due to their specific use. They are used when the seat does not have a seat immediately in front of it. So, if you're sitting behind a bulkhead, you might have one; or if you're sitting in a stacked seat, ie those business and first class seats that are angled, so that you are not facing the direction of travel, but at an angle to it.
In normal economy seats there usually isn't the space in front of you to deploy the bag.
I really doubt this No bulkheads in economy? Zodiac make a bulkhead airbag - why not deploy this in economy? If there is a seat in front of you there is just as much need for an airbag. How would the airbag work on an angle? - if you look at the testing that's been done it is all front facing.
No this is about $$, winning customers and losing the fatties.
He mentioned bulk heads in economy.
You can be too close to an airbag, ever seen one go off? Can do more harm than good.
21 airlines fit them (some only to first or business, obviously coz its sooo much more important to save the rich), but no data an how many/if any injuries or deaths they have prevented.
The reasons they're used more often in business and first class cabins is due to their specific use. They are used when the seat does not have a seat immediately in front of it. So, if you're sitting behind a bulkhead, you might have one; or if you're sitting in a stacked seat, ie those business and first class seats that are angled, so that you are not facing the direction of travel, but at an angle to it.
In normal economy seats there usually isn't the space in front of you to deploy the bag.
I really doubt this No bulkheads in economy? Zodiac make a bulkhead airbag - why not deploy this in economy? If there is a seat in front of you there is just as much need for an airbag. How would the airbag work on an angle? - if you look at the testing that's been done it is all front facing.
No this is about $$, winning customers and losing the fatties.
He mentioned bulk heads in economy.
You can be too close to an airbag, ever seen one go off? Can do more harm than good.
Yes, good points - although they don't seem as big as a car one. The zodiac one looks good - deploys in same width as head to steering wheel in a car.
Say you weigh 80 kilos, your case is one kilo over the limit so you get charged £50 excess.
Fat boy next in the queue weighs 120 kilos but his luggage is within the limit so pays no more.
Load factors, cargo weight limits, etc, etc...
I often see this argument. "Why do I have to pay extra for my luggage, when that huge bloke pays nothing?"
Seat assignment on aircraft is determined in part on the basis of load factor. That's why you are often asked not to change seats on a flight, even if it's nearly empty. The passengers' weight is distributed across the cabins in order to ensure the aircraft is "balanced" and therefore uses fuel more economically.
Airlines know the average weight of passengers and therefore a few fatties aren't going to tip the balance, even if there aren't many skinnies.
But they also know cargo limits and set the lowest-possible tariff on additional weight that ensures close adherence to the policy. And passengers know they have a set limit on the amount of cargo they can load. So they shouldn't really complain if they exceed the limit.
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Airbags. On an aeroplane seat belt.
Imagine them going off with a bit of turbulence. Chaos. A heavy landing. Chaos.
Imagine them going off as the plane crashes into the deck. Pointless.
Economy Class will be provided with a bit of rope and Thai-ed in.
Presumably Thai airlines have done some valid research, if for no other reason than to avoid getting sued by passengers injured by incorrectly triggered airbags.
If my imperfect memory does not deceive me, the only example of their successful use was the crash-landing on the Hudson River a few years back.
Much of the "safety measures" provided to passengers flying at the heights occupied by commercial jets are cosmetic.
In normal economy seats there usually isn't the space in front of you to deploy the bag.
No bulkheads in economy?
Zodiac make a bulkhead airbag - why not deploy this in economy?
If there is a seat in front of you there is just as much need for an airbag.
How would the airbag work on an angle? - if you look at the testing that's been done it is all front facing.
No this is about $$, winning customers and losing the fatties.
You can be too close to an airbag, ever seen one go off? Can do more harm than good.
Say you weigh 80 kilos, your case is one kilo over the limit so you get charged £50 excess.
Fat boy next in the queue weighs 120 kilos but his luggage is within the limit so pays no more.
The zodiac one looks good - deploys in same width as head to steering wheel in a car.
I often see this argument. "Why do I have to pay extra for my luggage, when that huge bloke pays nothing?"
Seat assignment on aircraft is determined in part on the basis of load factor. That's why you are often asked not to change seats on a flight, even if it's nearly empty. The passengers' weight is distributed across the cabins in order to ensure the aircraft is "balanced" and therefore uses fuel more economically.
Airlines know the average weight of passengers and therefore a few fatties aren't going to tip the balance, even if there aren't many skinnies.
But they also know cargo limits and set the lowest-possible tariff on additional weight that ensures close adherence to the policy. And passengers know they have a set limit on the amount of cargo they can load. So they shouldn't really complain if they exceed the limit.