25 over match for my son in the U-13 Brian Taylor trophy for South Loughton against Saffron Walden and I was scoring .
Controversy at the end as we chased their total ,136 , needing 11 off the last over . (It’s a league format and whoever lost would prolly struggle to get through to the 1/4 final knockout stage )
The last over went : wide , single , 3 , 4 , single , (scores level) wicket at which point the oppo kids were all celebrating crazily
With the scores level and one ball left the umpires began to leave the field having both miscounted and not included the extra ball for the wide .
Myself and their scorer had counted it down and all their parents and ours and team all knew there was one ball left .
Their umpire was adamant he was right , our umpire talked us through the over and realised he miscalculated .
No one wanted to give in but eventually after about ten mins the oppo agreed and reluctantly the last ball was bowled which we hit for 4 and no one was really happy (well our kids were)
I can see both points of view but if it was the other way round I’d have insisted the last ball be bowled because a 5 ball last over isn’t right .
Having looked further in to it umpires call for miscounting an over stands and maybe we shouldn’t have had the last ball .
Still the rules also state any deliver down leg side should be a wide providing batsmen hasn’t backed way down leg and their umpire failed to do this on a number of occasions so ner ner ner ner ner
They both had counted the 6 and made the same mistake and the oppo didn’t really wanna play the last ball out ! The umpires thought it was a legit 6 ball over
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
In other news, Chris "TFC" Lewis did not bowl and got a first-baller on Saturday for the Roebucks! Hah.
Littlebourne didn't actually have Byron Gould causing the most damage - his 56 off 33 eclipsed by their number 9's 80 off 32!!!
And our 1C Met/West Division looks to have turned into a right old contest - just nine points separating the top four. If Bexley beat Cyphers, CUACO beat Natwest, and Orpington beat Wilsonians, there will be a lot of teams in and around 90 points just before the halfway stage.
Of course, I've not taken into account the final game from this Saturday not on the website, but that just makes things even squeakier.
Our opposition conceded on Saturday, so me and my mate offered to guest for another local side yesterday in a bottom of the table league clash.
Surprisingly the skipper opted to field first with virtually no bowling options (I bowled 6 overs and I normally keep!) We somehow restricted the opposition to 157. They were about 80/1 after 7 overs.
I went out to bat at about 100/5, and helped guide us to 148/5, before my partner chipped a ball up to mid-off.
They had a weaker bowler at the other end, so I decided to target him and try and get the game finished in the next over.
2nd ball pulled for four, and 4th ball I cut a 2 to take us to within 4 of winning. Eyed up a lovely space over the top of mid-off and thought I'd try and win the game in style.
Advanced down the wicket and missed it! Was comfortably stumped and saw my mate on the boundary laughing as I walked off.
What I didn't expect was for the next 3 batsmen to all be bowled for 0! We lost by 3 runs.
The skipper didn't speak to me after the game. Don't think they'll ask me again
Am I right in thinking that you can't have a boundary six in extras and that it's always four?
One cannot score a boundary six in byes – nor in leg byes, wides or no-balls; a boundary six can only be scored if the ball has made contact with the bat or the hands or gloves holding it.
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
Correct.
although i think you can still appeal for anything that happened off the last ball of that over until the bowler starts his run up for the next over @Pedro45 will confirm but no looking it up Pedro
Am I right in thinking that you can't have a boundary six in extras and that it's always four?
One cannot score a boundary six in byes – nor in leg byes, wides or no-balls; a boundary six can only be scored if the ball has made contact with the bat or the hands or gloves holding it.
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
Correct.
although i think you can still appeal for anything that happened off the last ball of that over until the bowler starts his run up for the next over @Pedro45 will confirm but no looking it up Pedro
Am I right in thinking that you can't have a boundary six in extras and that it's always four?
One cannot score a boundary six in byes – nor in leg byes, wides or no-balls; a boundary six can only be scored if the ball has made contact with the bat or the hands or gloves holding it.
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
Correct.
although i think you can still appeal for anything that happened off the last ball of that over until the bowler starts his run up for the next over @Pedro45 will confirm but no looking it up Pedro
Not once "over" has been called.
Yes, that's right. It is so rare these days that an appeal comes late; it's normal that everyone (or at least someone) will appeal for everything that has even the vaguest chance of being out. At least the Laws have changed now to prevent excessive appealing, but it still grates when the ball hits the pad and the only appeal comes from square leg or cover point...
Am I right in thinking that you can't have a boundary six in extras and that it's always four?
One cannot score a boundary six in byes – nor in leg byes, wides or no-balls; a boundary six can only be scored if the ball has made contact with the bat or the hands or gloves holding it.
If the umpires miscount and call over or time then you cannot bowl another ball even if they have miscounted within the laws. However sometimes common sense has to prevail.
Correct.
although i think you can still appeal for anything that happened off the last ball of that over until the bowler starts his run up for the next over @Pedro45 will confirm but no looking it up Pedro
Not once "over" has been called.
Yes, that's right. It is so rare these days that an appeal comes late; it's normal that everyone (or at least someone) will appeal for everything that has even the vaguest chance of being out. At least the Laws have changed now to prevent excessive appealing, but it still grates when the ball hits the pad and the only appeal comes from square leg or cover point...
hang your head in shame @Pedro see Law 31.3 ..expected it from @Riviera
Sorry, yes, was considering it with respect the end of the game (where Time is called rather than Over, or both). My bad.
Nobody cares what umpires do these days anyway - my colleague on Saturday was obviously not in as good place to call a no ball (rear foot touching return crease) as the fielding team skipper at mid-off. Not his fault that the batter (the overseas, who eventually got 90) chipped it to the mid-wicket fielder so it wasn't out... Not my fault for calling a no ball either when too many fielders were outside the fielding circle, resulting in another free hit, but we still get somehow blamed for it! We gave three run outs on Saturday between us - all caused by either lazy batting (by the skipper too!) or suicidal running, yet each one looked at us as if we were the problem, not their calling!
My final gripe - After a wicket fell I ushered one celebrating player to run to the other side of the wicket by the stumps and not across the protected area. He said "I've only got trainers on" and I replied "I don't care". He then replies "Don't talk to me like that!" So I didn't. I told the captain that if any other player stepped on the protected area I would award 5 penalty runs against them. That stopped it!
Found out Saffron Walden appealed the Result and it got over turned and a tie was declared !!
Pretty gutting for our kids and the oppo know that it was a 5 ball over but we all have different moral compasses and I know I would not have wanted us to tie off a 5 ball over us each to their own .
Our management aren’t going to appeal it and will reluctantly accept the decision.
Looking forward to my failed attempts not to make sarcastic comments in the next fixture against them , come on be the better person aaaaaah !!
I've been at home all day, cleaning the kitchen, watching football and arguing about politics. No 4s game and not picked for the 3s. My talents, gone to waste
Our 1s got rolled for 97 and Tonbridge did it 1 down.
Our 2s were all out for 170ish and their opportunity (forget who) did it 4 down - one bloke tanned up.
Our 3s got Sidcup 3s all out for 82 or something, and won by eight wickets!
Our 4s were undefeated this week
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Might be a struggle to get a side out for the 4th team this week, though - such is our place at the bottom of the club. Here's hoping I don't have to concede.
Played as a ringer in a dads v teachers match at Forest school , they (the teachers) had some decent players and we got 178 in our 25 overs and I retired hurt (hamstring) on 37 not out after hitting 3 consecutive fours as I pushed off something went and being an old git I couldn’t continue so give someone else a go. School teachers had a former Devon player who was tastey and he got a quick 50 and retired and they got to our score comfortably with 2 overs and 5 wickets in hand . I couldn’t bowl Cos of injury
Having spent two days solid watching the boy play I am somewhat "over cooked" today.
On Saturday, the 2s won by 25 runs. We scored 272-5 and Holmesdale were in with a real shout up until the last half a dozen overs or so. The usual "DNB" for Seb. Still in 2nd place.
On Sunday morning, the U15s remained undefeated and set 200 against Hayes with Seb retiring on getting his 50. We won by 126 runs and as he wasn't keeping Seb elected to bring himself on to "buy" the final wicket with his somewhat "filthy" leggies.
In the afternoon we had a Development game against OD CUADO. Opposition set 223 and we fell 40 short - Seb "smoking" a wide full toss straight to backward point for 3 really didn't help the cause.
The real highlight of the weekend, however, came in the Hayes game and that was seeing how emotional one Seb's friends was when reaching his 50. He had never achieved that milestone in school or club cricket and it was absolutely fantastic to see him do so. May he go on to scoring many more.
52 from 31 balls is very good going from Seb, well done to him. Nice story about his friend too.
Also a couple of familiar names from the 5th XI match a few weeks ago. I was impressed with Max’s off spin when I umpired at his end - gives the ball a real rip. If anything, the ball was always doing too much to hit the stumps. Batted nicely too.
Did anyone see this result on Saturday Staplehurst CC - 1st XI 435 for 1 (50 overs) 'b' 't' Dartfordians CC - 1st XI 84 for 10 (24.1 overs)
That looks painful
Bloody hell. I think I recognise a few of those names from the ill-fated 3rd XI that was withdrawn from my 4th XI's division - looks like a huge period of turmoil at Dartfordians.
A shame that Staplehurst didn't appear to recognise what was going on (as I am sure most relatively decent cricketers/those with common sense would have gathered), but oh well. Not quite as punishing as Littlebourne...
Did anyone see this result on Saturday Staplehurst CC - 1st XI 435 for 1 (50 overs) 'b' 't' Dartfordians CC - 1st XI 84 for 10 (24.1 overs)
That looks painful
Bloody hell. I think I recognise a few of those names from the ill-fated 3rd XI that was withdrawn from my 4th XI's division - looks like a huge period of turmoil at Dartfordians.
A shame that Staplehurst didn't appear to recognise what was going on (as I am sure most relatively decent cricketers/those with common sense would have gathered), but oh well. Not quite as punishing as Littlebourne...
Looks like they have lost a hell of lot of players.
Did anyone see this result on Saturday Staplehurst CC - 1st XI 435 for 1 (50 overs) 'b' 't' Dartfordians CC - 1st XI 84 for 10 (24.1 overs)
That looks painful
Bloody hell. I think I recognise a few of those names from the ill-fated 3rd XI that was withdrawn from my 4th XI's division - looks like a huge period of turmoil at Dartfordians.
A shame that Staplehurst didn't appear to recognise what was going on (as I am sure most relatively decent cricketers/those with common sense would have gathered), but oh well. Not quite as punishing as Littlebourne...
That's in my club's division. Bear in mind dartfordians beat Chisles by over 200 runs in the 1st game of the season!
2nd to 8th - that is, a promotion and a relegation spot! - are separated by a point per position, from 95 for Holmesdale in 2nd to 89 for OD CUACO in 8th!
Slightly miffed quite how Colfeians, having won four, are a point behind Cyphers, who have won two (albeit with a game in hand), but such are the vagaries of the KRCL points system.
Our league this year is played over 2 different formats, first 4 games of the season were 40/40 win/lose cricket, then the next 9 are 47/43 win/lose/draw cricket. We then finish the season with 5 more 40/40 win/lose games.... Ruddy bizarre!
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Controversy at the end as we chased their total ,136 , needing 11 off the last over .
(It’s a league format and whoever lost would prolly struggle to get through to the 1/4 final knockout stage )
The last over went : wide , single , 3 , 4 , single , (scores level) wicket at which point the oppo kids were all celebrating crazily
With the scores level and one ball left the umpires began to leave the field having both miscounted and not included the extra ball for the wide .
Myself and their scorer had counted it down and all their parents and ours and team all knew there was one ball left .
Their umpire was adamant he was right , our umpire talked us through the over and realised he miscalculated .
No one wanted to give in but eventually after about ten mins the oppo agreed and reluctantly the last ball was bowled which we hit for 4 and no one was really happy (well our kids were)
I can see both points of view but if it was the other way round I’d have insisted the last ball be bowled because a 5 ball last over isn’t right .
Having looked further in to it umpires call for miscounting an over stands and maybe we shouldn’t have had the last ball .
Still the rules also state any deliver down leg side should be a wide providing batsmen hasn’t backed way down leg and their umpire failed to do this on a number of occasions so ner ner ner ner ner
You won!
The umpires thought it was a legit 6 ball over
Won the toss and batted getting
318-6 off 50 and declaring
4 batsmen reached 50
Easy Grinstead said they were going to give it a go and duly did but fell short reaching 283-8 blocking the last 2 overs for the draw
Got 10 before colliding with our other batsmen and being run out chasing a 3 and took 4-46 off 11 more my best figures in the league
Littlebourne didn't actually have Byron Gould causing the most damage - his 56 off 33 eclipsed by their number 9's 80 off 32!!!
And our 1C Met/West Division looks to have turned into a right old contest - just nine points separating the top four. If Bexley beat Cyphers, CUACO beat Natwest, and Orpington beat Wilsonians, there will be a lot of teams in and around 90 points just before the halfway stage.
Of course, I've not taken into account the final game from this Saturday not on the website, but that just makes things even squeakier.
Surprisingly the skipper opted to field first with virtually no bowling options (I bowled 6 overs and I normally keep!) We somehow restricted the opposition to 157. They were about 80/1 after 7 overs.
I went out to bat at about 100/5, and helped guide us to 148/5, before my partner chipped a ball up to mid-off.
They had a weaker bowler at the other end, so I decided to target him and try and get the game finished in the next over.
2nd ball pulled for four, and 4th ball I cut a 2 to take us to within 4 of winning. Eyed up a lovely space over the top of mid-off and thought I'd try and win the game in style.
Advanced down the wicket and missed it! Was comfortably stumped and saw my mate on the boundary laughing as I walked off.
What I didn't expect was for the next 3 batsmen to all be bowled for 0! We lost by 3 runs.
The skipper didn't speak to me after the game. Don't think they'll ask me again
Nobody cares what umpires do these days anyway - my colleague on Saturday was obviously not in as good place to call a no ball (rear foot touching return crease) as the fielding team skipper at mid-off. Not his fault that the batter (the overseas, who eventually got 90) chipped it to the mid-wicket fielder so it wasn't out... Not my fault for calling a no ball either when too many fielders were outside the fielding circle, resulting in another free hit, but we still get somehow blamed for it! We gave three run outs on Saturday between us - all caused by either lazy batting (by the skipper too!) or suicidal running, yet each one looked at us as if we were the problem, not their calling!
My final gripe - After a wicket fell I ushered one celebrating player to run to the other side of the wicket by the stumps and not across the protected area. He said "I've only got trainers on" and I replied "I don't care". He then replies "Don't talk to me like that!" So I didn't. I told the captain that if any other player stepped on the protected area I would award 5 penalty runs against them. That stopped it!
Pretty gutting for our kids and the oppo know that it was a 5 ball over but we all have different moral compasses and I know I would not have wanted us to tie off a 5 ball over us each to their own .
Our management aren’t going to appeal it and will reluctantly accept the decision.
Looking forward to my failed attempts not to make sarcastic comments in the next fixture against them , come on be the better person aaaaaah !!
Our 2s were all out for 170ish and their opportunity (forget who) did it 4 down - one bloke tanned up.
Our 3s got Sidcup 3s all out for 82 or something, and won by eight wickets!
Our 4s were undefeated this week
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Might be a struggle to get a side out for the 4th team this week, though - such is our place at the bottom of the club. Here's hoping I don't have to concede.
School teachers had a former Devon player who was tastey and he got a quick 50 and retired and they got to our score comfortably with 2 overs and 5 wickets in hand .
I couldn’t bowl Cos of injury
Staplehurst CC - 1st XI
435 for 1 (50 overs) 'b' 't'
Dartfordians CC - 1st XI
84 for 10 (24.1 overs)
That looks painful
On Saturday, the 2s won by 25 runs. We scored 272-5 and Holmesdale were in with a real shout up until the last half a dozen overs or so. The usual "DNB" for Seb. Still in 2nd place.
On Sunday morning, the U15s remained undefeated and set 200 against Hayes with Seb retiring on getting his 50. We won by 126 runs and as he wasn't keeping Seb elected to bring himself on to "buy" the final wicket with his somewhat "filthy" leggies.
In the afternoon we had a Development game against OD CUADO. Opposition set 223 and we fell 40 short - Seb "smoking" a wide full toss straight to backward point for 3 really didn't help the cause.
The real highlight of the weekend, however, came in the Hayes game and that was seeing how emotional one Seb's friends was when reaching his 50. He had never achieved that milestone in school or club cricket and it was absolutely fantastic to see him do so. May he go on to scoring many more.
Also a couple of familiar names from the 5th XI match a few weeks ago. I was impressed with Max’s off spin when I umpired at his end - gives the ball a real rip. If anything, the ball was always doing too much to hit the stumps. Batted nicely too.
A shame that Staplehurst didn't appear to recognise what was going on (as I am sure most relatively decent cricketers/those with common sense would have gathered), but oh well. Not quite as punishing as Littlebourne...
Looks like they have lost a hell of lot of players.
http://krcl.play-cricket.com/website/websites/view_division?id=77286
2nd to 8th - that is, a promotion and a relegation spot! - are separated by a point per position, from 95 for Holmesdale in 2nd to 89 for OD CUACO in 8th!
Slightly miffed quite how Colfeians, having won four, are a point behind Cyphers, who have won two (albeit with a game in hand), but such are the vagaries of the KRCL points system.
Corking season so far though!