I was there that day......went on my own (I was 12) and sat in front on the wall at the opposite end to the one where Leary scored......happy days, we deserved a draw but lost 3-2, South African Brian Tocknell hit the post with a few minutes left......Spurs went on to do the double. I think they were the first team ever to achieve that?
How many Charlton fans went ?
I have no idea......pure guess would be around 7000?
From what you old(er) guys have said, I'd have loved to have seen Leary play. (I'm only 65)
I appreciate workman like professionals of course, but to witness the special skill of a player who can change a game with a bit of magic? ... that's why I go to football.
I was there that day......went on my own (I was 12) and sat in front on the wall at the opposite end to the one where Leary scored......happy days, we deserved a draw but lost 3-2, South African Brian Tocknell hit the post with a few minutes left......Spurs went on to do the double. I think they were the first team ever to achieve that?
How many Charlton fans went ?
I have no idea......pure guess would be around 7000?
Blimey it was 13,000 originally.
Yes I know......I said it was a guess and having thought about it and used a bit more logic I realised my original guess would have been very wide of the mark so I halved it. Thing is, 7,000 is still a complete guess as well.
Sam Lawrie was a dapper little Scottish fella with jet black hair.
He scored 24 goals in one season in the early 60’s playing at outside right......the line up included Leary and Summers.
Sam Lawrie was a dapper little Scottish fella with jet black hair.
He scored 24 goals in one season in the early 60’s playing at outside right......the line up included Leary and Summers.
And, if my memory serves me right, Sam got a second half hat-trick in a FA Cup game at Ashton Gate in the 1959 -60 season, to turn around a 2-0 half time deficit. We got knocked at Wolves, who went on to win the FA Cup that year.
Sam Lawrie was a dapper little Scottish fella with jet black hair.
He scored 24 goals in one season in the early 60’s playing at outside right......the line up included Leary and Summers.
And, if my memory serves me right, Sam got a second half hat-trick in a FA Cup game at Ashton Gate in the 1959 -60 season, to turn around a 2-0 half time deficit. We got knocked at Wolves, who went on to win the FA Cup that year.
He died at the early age of 45......like dear Johnny Summers he was taken way too early.
Yes I was there remember a chap at work said no chance of us scoring, replied if Johnny Summers hits the ball from outside the box no defence can help other than the keeper and yes took a good save to stop him . A great Spurs side though.
Stuart Leary is my all time favourite Charlton player. Mine too.
He was the original deep lying centre forward although Don Revie did it later and became more famous for it.
Before Revie, certainly, but hardly the original. Hidegkuti of the great Hungarian side had made the strategy famous a few years earlier. But he did not invent it either. There were Austrian and South American players in the 1930s who had great success playing that way. Perhaps someone with a better memory than me could supply their names.
Matthias Sindelar was one of the original deep lying cf. Greatest ever Austrian player, and the man who put wunder in the Austrian Wunderteam of the 30's. Scalone won the first WC with Uruguay, and was said to be another deep lying cf. There's a great noughties BBC documentary on Sindelar that get's repeated occasionally.
As you'd expect there's a link through the Austrian Wunderteam, Puskas and onto Cruyff and Barcelona. Jimmy Hogan an English/Irish manager coached the Austrian team, and coached in Hungary. The manager of the Mighty Magyars said they learnt how to play from Hogan. Ernst Happel played for the Wunderteam and went on to coach the '78 Netherlands WC team. There's a great documentary to be made with the emergence of European Football from the Combination Game and the Scottish System: Albeit with little footage until the 30's!
It is so nice that so many people on this thread, have lovely memories of the great Stuart, he was a truly great player, and I remember little Sam Lawrie what a good player he was.
It is so nice that so many people on this thread, have lovely memories of the great Stuart, he was a truly great player, and I remember little Sam Lawrie what a good player he was.
Sam went on strike once and worked as a barman in a local pub.
I was at that match proudly wearing the huge red and white rosette my mother made for me. I've still got it but it's very yellowed now!
Great to see that clip. What a terrible playing surface by today's standards.
At home games we used to stand at the top of the old East Terrace, way above the top of today's East Stand and from there you had a great bird's eye view of Leary spraying passes across the pitch. What a player he was.
It is so nice that so many people on this thread, have lovely memories of the great Stuart, he was a truly great player, and I remember little Sam Lawrie what a good player he was.
Sam went on strike once and worked as a barman in a local pub.
On match days he would come to The Valley on his Lambretta and if he saw someone at a bus stop going to the game he would stop and offer them a lift........much to their amazement I would think. Not 100% sure of this, but something tells me that at one point he lived in one of the two club houses in Harvey Gardens, alongside the East Stand entrance.....next door to John Hewie.
It is so nice that so many people on this thread, have lovely memories of the great Stuart, he was a truly great player, and I remember little Sam Lawrie what a good player he was.
Sam went on strike once and worked as a barman in a local pub.
On match days he would come to The Valley on his Lambretta and if he saw someone at a bus stop going to the game he would stop and offer them a lift........much to their amazement I would think. Not 100% sure of this, but something tells me that at one point he lived in one of the two club houses in Floyd Road, alongside the East Stand entrance.....next door to John Hewie.
Doesn't make sense to me. Do you mean alongside the West Stand entrance ? Perhaps, you mean Harvey Gardens, alongside the East Stand entrance ?
It is so nice that so many people on this thread, have lovely memories of the great Stuart, he was a truly great player, and I remember little Sam Lawrie what a good player he was.
Sam went on strike once and worked as a barman in a local pub.
On match days he would come to The Valley on his Lambretta and if he saw someone at a bus stop going to the game he would stop and offer them a lift........much to their amazement I would think. Not 100% sure of this, but something tells me that at one point he lived in one of the two club houses in Floyd Road, alongside the East Stand entrance.....next door to John Hewie.
Doesn't make sense to me. Do you mean alongside the West Stand entrance ?
Stuart Leary is my all time favourite Charlton player. Mine too.
He was the original deep lying centre forward although Don Revie did it later and became more famous for it.
Before Revie, certainly, but hardly the original. Hidegkuti of the great Hungarian side had made the strategy famous a few years earlier. But he did not invent it either. There were Austrian and South American players in the 1930s who had great success playing that way. Perhaps someone with a better memory than me could supply their names.
Matthias Sindelar was one of the original deep lying cf. Greatest ever Austrian player, and the man who put wunder in the Austrian Wunderteam of the 30's. Scalone won the first WC with Uruguay, and was said to be another deep lying cf. There's a great noughties BBC documentary on Sindelar that get's repeated occasionally.
As you'd expect there's a link through the Austrian Wunderteam, Puskas and onto Cruyff and Barcelona. Jimmy Hogan an English/Irish manager coached the Austrian team, and coached in Hungary. The manager of the Mighty Magyars said they learnt how to play from Hogan. Ernst Happel played for the Wunderteam and went on to coach the '78 Netherlands WC team. There's a great documentary to be made with the emergence of European Football from the Combination Game and the Scottish System: Albeit with little footage until the 30's!
Thanks Colin. You answered my question, and with knobs on.
Tottenham: Bill Brown, Maurice Norman, Dave Mackay, Peter Baker, Ron Henry, Danny Blanchflower, Terry Dyson(1), Les Allen (2), Terry Medwin, Bobby Smith, John White.
Charlton: Bill Duff, John Sewell, Don Townsend, John Hewie, Jago, Brian Tocknell, Sam Lawrie, Dennis Edwards, Stuart Leary (c), White, John Summers
Be interested to know from those of you posting on this thread who were at these games and saw Stuart Leary etc play, what you thought of Ronnie White ?
He was my late Father's ('Waldo' on Charlton Life) favourite all time player
Dad started going late 1940's to the Valley and I think Ronnie was with the club for almost all the 1950's
Yes, a good stylish little player but he wasn’t a winger Js5......he usually wore the 8 or 10 shirt as I remember. He wasn’t a nailed on selection.....and I wouldn’t put him anywhere in the same class as most of the forwards we had at the time. He was never a certainty to be on the team sheet. Those ahead of him in the pecking order were of course Leary and Firmani as well as Edwards, Lawrie, Lucas and Mathews. I am surprised he was someone’s favourite player when you consider some of the forwards we had to choose from during that era. The competition was very strong and when picked never disgraced himself.
yes I was there aged 15 standing behind the goal and saw Tocknell's thunderbolt just grazed the post, what an attack Lawrie, Summers and the great Leary
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I appreciate workman like professionals of course, but to witness the special skill of a player who can change a game with a bit of magic? ... that's why I go to football.
Good to hear the commentator glory boy our fans off
Sadly never played together, Johnny came after Eddie was sold.
Thing is, 7,000 is still a complete guess as well.
A great Spurs side though.
As you'd expect there's a link through the Austrian Wunderteam, Puskas and onto Cruyff and Barcelona. Jimmy Hogan an English/Irish manager coached the Austrian team, and coached in Hungary. The manager of the Mighty Magyars said they learnt how to play from Hogan. Ernst Happel played for the Wunderteam and went on to coach the '78 Netherlands WC team. There's a great documentary to be made with the emergence of European Football from the Combination Game and the Scottish System: Albeit with little footage until the 30's!
Great thread. Sure my grandfather could have commented on this, regret not asking more. Thanks.
Great to see that clip. What a terrible playing surface by today's standards.
At home games we used to stand at the top of the old East Terrace, way above the top of today's East Stand and from there you had a great bird's eye view of Leary spraying passes across the pitch. What a player he was.
Not 100% sure of this, but something tells me that at one point he lived in one of the two club houses in Harvey Gardens, alongside the East Stand entrance.....next door to John Hewie.
Perhaps, you mean Harvey Gardens, alongside the East Stand entrance ?
Tottenham: Bill Brown, Maurice Norman, Dave Mackay, Peter Baker, Ron Henry, Danny Blanchflower, Terry Dyson(1), Les Allen (2), Terry Medwin, Bobby Smith, John White.
Charlton: Bill Duff, John Sewell, Don Townsend, John Hewie, Jago, Brian Tocknell, Sam Lawrie, Dennis Edwards, Stuart Leary (c), White, John Summers
Attendance 54,969. 7th Jan 1961.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvrx2avZNf0
He was my late Father's ('Waldo' on Charlton Life) favourite all time player
Dad started going late 1940's to the Valley and I think Ronnie was with the club for almost all the 1950's
He wasn’t a nailed on selection.....and I wouldn’t put him anywhere in the same class as most of the forwards we had at the time. He was never a certainty to be on the team sheet. Those ahead of him in the pecking order were of course Leary and Firmani as well as Edwards, Lawrie, Lucas and Mathews.
I am surprised he was someone’s favourite player when you consider some of the forwards we had to choose from during that era.
The competition was very strong and when picked never disgraced himself.