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    KP and Strauss kiss and make up, he returns to right previous wrongs, make up for his terrible captaincy record, guide England to world dominance for 18 months and then hand the baton to a fully matured Joe Root.

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    Again please God no! KP has barely played any cricket in the last few years and his T20 record of late has been pretty poor. He only gets picked for these competitions because he is a big name and draws and crowd. He's not good enough anymore. Ignoring all the shite that went on before.
    Wooosh :smile:
    This was a wooosh moment. But I have seen people seriously suggesting this...
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    KP and Strauss kiss and make up, he returns to right previous wrongs, make up for his terrible captaincy record, guide England to world dominance for 18 months and then hand the baton to a fully matured Joe Root.

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    Again please God no! KP has barely played any cricket in the last few years and his T20 record of late has been pretty poor. He only gets picked for these competitions because he is a big name and draws and crowd. He's not good enough anymore. Ignoring all the shite that went on before.
    Wooosh :smile:
    This was a wooosh moment. But I have seen people seriously suggesting this...
    Are they 6' 5" with a silly little beard, an England tattoo, and a South African accent?
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    Joe Root is 26. Cook, Atherton, Williamson, Kohli and Smith were all the same age, if not younger, when they became captain. He's been playing Test cricket for over four years.

    If we're not going to give him the job now, when will we?
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    Joe Root confirmed as new Test captain

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38954275
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    Stokes as VC
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    Had to be Joe really.
    Hope it doesnt affect his batting.
    As he will be a shoe-in for all formats, i'm still assuming Morgan will continue in the one-day formats- probably start seeing a bit of 'rotation' there.
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    Personally, I feel they chose the wrong Joe R but I, begrudgingly, wish him the best of luck.

    :-)
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    edited February 2017
    Hey Canters, i convinced @Addickted2TheReds on the boat to Wimbledon on Saturday that my vision for domestic T20 is the correct one and yours is rubbish :)
    But happy to discuss further in Belgium. !
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    Hey Canters, i convinced @Addickted2TheReds on the boat to Wimbledon on Saturday that my vision for domestic T20 is the correct one and yours is rubbish :)
    But happy to discuss further in Belgium. !

    Not having that.

    I agreed that there should be more, and of a higher quality, overseas players allowed.

    I agreed that it should happen in a 6 week window, preferably the school holidays.

    But as for franchises, no chance!

    You can stick South London Lions playing at The Oval up your arse. I still want to see Darren Stevens trundling up at Beckenham! :-)
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    Hey Canters, i convinced @Addickted2TheReds on the boat to Wimbledon on Saturday that my vision for domestic T20 is the correct one and yours is rubbish :)
    But happy to discuss further in Belgium. !

    Not having that.

    I agreed that there should be more, and of a higher quality, overseas players allowed.

    I agreed that it should happen in a 6 week window, preferably the school holidays.

    But as for franchises, no chance!

    You can stick South London Lions playing at The Oval up your arse. I still want to see Darren Stevens trundling up at Beckenham! :-)
    I feel like those on the coach to Belgium are gonna get very annoyed with us...
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    I think it's the perfect timing for him. A series which he won't be expected to win (v S Africa), followed by a warm-up prior to the Ashes (West Indies). If he gets anything against the Saffers, he's a hero. And everyone will be busting a gut against the Windies.

    I think he's also got some mental strength that will help him hugely. He's clearly massively talented. But he also doesn't stop pushing himself. So, I think he'll go to Australia not with a plan just to win the Ashes, but with the firm intention to boss the series, stamp his authority as the best batsman in the series (or in the world?) and put down a marker to the rest of the world to say "I'm here now, I'm the best batsman in the world in every format... now come and have a go at me if you can".

    The cherubic, angelic, smiling schoolboy figure we see gently carressing fours is a mirage. There's proper Sheffield steel inside there, hidden, but on-hand when ready. We're used to the happy-go-lucky, "nice", young man - within the next year, we're going to see a battle-hardened, strong-willed, supremely confident champion.

    Don't be surprised if he's in the running for SPOTY in 2018.
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    Radio 4 news .. just signed off with a tribute to the new skipper .. The Sheffield Ukulele Band (with a bit of paper and comb in there somewhere) .. 'Message to You Rootie' (reggae fans will know all about this tune) ((:>)
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    Radio 4 news .. just signed off with a tribute to the new skipper .. The Sheffield Ukulele Band (with a bit of paper and comb in there somewhere) .. 'Message to You Rootie' (reggae fans will know all about this tune) ((:>)

    A classic song, but I hope the message to "Rootie" was to stop playing beautifully to make 70 odd, then get out to a silly shot!
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    Interesting article on BBC website which shows "Of the seven men to have led England in most Tests, only Michael Vaughan has a significantly worse batting average as captain than when not skipper", perhaps destroying a myth.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38960067

    think we could be in for an interesting year of test cricket.
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    Fancy nicking that classic by the 2percent 'A message to you RD'.....
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    Oh no !!! - that - along with the 'Be careful out there guys' thread , its a bad day for mens genitalia.
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    redman said:

    Interesting article on BBC website which shows "Of the seven men to have led England in most Tests, only Michael Vaughan has a significantly worse batting average as captain than when not skipper", perhaps destroying a myth.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38960067

    think we could be in for an interesting year of test cricket.

    If Root bats like Gooch did on becoming captain, we're in for a treat!
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    Food for thought regarding the changing face of County Cricket:

    The ECB is considering a report that calls for the number of county academies to be cut. The report, titled "County Talent Pathway", recommends the creation of "regional training hubs as opposed to county programmes" as part of a plan to "define a new cricket pathway for English cricket".

    It also suggests that the creation of eight new teams for the relaunched domestic T20 competition, planned for 2020, "may impact on the future structure" of the game in England and Wales and calls upon the ECB to "reorganise the geographical structure of county cricket to ensure open and fair access to the cricket pathway".

    The suggestions are part of a document (obtained by ESPNcricinfo) compiled by independent consultants at the request of the ECB after dialogue with all 18 academy directors, coaches from the Emerging Players Pathway and ECB personnel. It will shortly be sent to all the first-class counties for feedback.

    The report states that such a rearrangement would provide greater consistency of talent development and improve the access to "high quality coaching and world class facilities" for players who may live "at a distance from a first-class county." Such a system would end the "postcode lottery" that current exists in the talent pathway, according to the report.

    The report also suggests some centralisation of services, such as strength and conditioning, physio and psychological support, while it calls for greater emphasis on white-ball cricket - "predominantly T20" - for younger players. If implemented, the report would almost certainly result in job losses.

    The move comes as the ECB has proposed a change to the salary cap in domestic cricket. In the past, the cap has been based on a level that allows each county to spend 2% of the ECB's income on player salaries. If the new arrangements are agreed - and there appears every chance they will be - the new cap will be based upon the consumer price index rate of inflation.

    While that might, at first glance, appear a minor difference, it comes as the value of broadcast deals is rising significantly. As a result, the Professional Cricketers' Association is known to have concerns over the move, fearing it will prevent the richest clubs (the cap is relevant to few of the first-class counties) from attracting the world's best players or rewarding those they have as they see fit. The players' union is also concerned that some players at smaller clubs are not paid sufficiently.
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    The Indians "murdered" by their own wicket in the first Test and incompetent batting:

    Australia 260 all out
    India 105 all out

    Kohli out second ball and India lost 7 wickets for 8 runs - that's a collapse of English proportions.

    Warner will tee off and hope to get them a lead of 300 plus - although they might already have enough!



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    Warner out the last ball of the first over for 10!

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    23-2

    Perhaps this is a ploy to make Test matches more entertaining - by making them two day events.
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    140-4
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    Australia 260
    India 105
    Australia 285
    India 107

    Australia win by 333 runs - an absolute thrashing! India batted for just 74 overs in the match.

    Serves them right for preparing an unrealistic Test wicket to suit their bowlers - Australia's two spinners - Lyon (5-75) & O'Keefe (12-70) - took 17-145 in the game!
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    Watching matches like this just seems to highlight how bad our spin bowling is.
    On this wicket England would lose to both India and Australia
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    Thing is, in the whole scheme of things, Rashid and ALi are no worse than Lyon and O'Keefe - and Jadeja and Ashwin are on a different level spin-wise. Just a temporary blip - India will win the series.
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    Rashid and ALi are no worse than Lyon and O'Keefe

    Not sure about this at all
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    Ali is a great cricketer but Lyon is a much better bowler. Rashid bowls far more loosely than O'Keefe
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    Leuth said:

    Ali is a great cricketer but Lyon is a much better bowler. Rashid bowls far more loosely than O'Keefe

    Yes Rashid does ball too many loose balls but O'Keefe is left arm orthodox and by definition will have more control.

    How many specialist leg breaks bowlers have we had bowl for us in the 50 years prior to Rashid? The answer is that, between all of them they played in just 24 Tests - that's less than one every two years.

    People think Rashid is bad. Bryce McGain's one and only Test for Australia in 2009 resulted in figured against South Africa of 18-0-149-0. That's no wickets and an "economy" rate of 8.27 - in a Test!
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    This should please Canters, El Presidente et al - Tom Curran has been added to the ODI in the Windies as cover for the injured Jake Ball.
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