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    The letter seems to indicate that it is those who "share" material, as opposed to access material, that are the offenders.
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    not illegal to view pirated streams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming#European_Union

    ... at least for as long as we're part of the EU...
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    I don't know how an ISP would know whether someone had "shared" (by which I assume they mean either streamed or downloaded) content "without proper subscriptions".

    For example, how would Virgin Media know whether someone has a "proper subscription" to Sky Go? Surely Sky won't share details of who has - and hasn't - got a subscription.

    And, if someone uses an iPad to download a legitmate movie from a source to which they have a subscription, but while using someone else's broadband connection (with permission), with that broadband subscriber get this threatening letter?
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    Presumably the ISPs will have a record of the data uploads per customer. In that case, I've uploaded plenty of huge files to the net as part of my photography business for cloud backups, so would presumably get a letter on that basis.
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    They mean downloaded through torrents or newsgroups... so either use a VPN or stream through Kodi and you'll be safe.
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    JohnBoyUK said:

    Presumably the ISPs will have a record of the data uploads per customer. In that case, I've uploaded plenty of huge files to the net as part of my photography business for cloud backups, so would presumably get a letter on that basis.

    At first glance I read that as "as part of my pornography business" !
    The two are not mutually exclusive Clem...
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    They mean downloaded through torrents or newsgroups... so either use a VPN or stream through Kodi and you'll be safe.

    After the snoopers charter, everyone should be using a VPN
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    not illegal to view pirated streams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_downloading_and_streaming#European_Union

    ... at least for as long as we're part of the EU...

    Agree with this; as long as material is not downloaded and is merely streamed their is no breach of COpy Right law. The sharing of material is where the offence is
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    Does anyone have any experience with a decent VPN? I tried IPVanish but it slowed the internet down to nothing.
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    Does anyone have any experience with a decent VPN? I tried IPVanish but it slowed the internet down to nothing.

    I've used VyprVPN for years - it's great.

    https://www.goldenfrog.com/UK/vyprvpn
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    I've seen Captain Pugwash. Does that count?
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    What is a VPN and why should I get one ?
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    Does anyone have any experience with a decent VPN? I tried IPVanish but it slowed the internet down to nothing.


    I use ZenMate. Very happy with it too.

    @ShootersHillGuru

    Virtual Private Network. Others can explain better how it works, but it basically disguises your real IP address. Zenmate claim it encrypts all your date when on the web too. But most people use them because:
    "Some websites such as streaming videos, news publications, or social media are denied to you if you're in a specific country or region. ZenMate allows you to choose your public location, and access otherwise restricted content."

    So in my case I use it to watch BBC iPlayer in Prague, as well as accessing other sites in a way which makes them think I am in the UK. Others do something similar to access US based content.
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    Does anyone have any experience with a decent VPN? I tried IPVanish but it slowed the internet down to nothing.


    I use ZenMate. Very happy with it too.

    @ShootersHillGuru

    Virtual Private Network. Others can explain better how it works, but it basically disguises your real IP address. Zenmate claim it encrypts all your date when on the web too. But most people use them because:
    "Some websites such as streaming videos, news publications, or social media are denied to you if you're in a specific country or region. ZenMate allows you to choose your public location, and access otherwise restricted content."

    So in my case I use it to watch BBC iPlayer in Prague, as well as accessing other sites in a way which makes them think I am in the UK. Others do something similar to access US based content.
    Adding to this.

    It's normally a way a remote worker can connect to their network at work, so it's as if you're in the office. These kind of VPN's achieve the same thing, but instead of connecting to an office environment you connect to their network to pretend to be in another country removing restrictions.
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    edited January 2017
    Glovepup said:

    Does anyone have any experience with a decent VPN? I tried IPVanish but it slowed the internet down to nothing.


    I use ZenMate. Very happy with it too.

    @ShootersHillGuru

    Virtual Private Network. Others can explain better how it works, but it basically disguises your real IP address. Zenmate claim it encrypts all your date when on the web too. But most people use them because:
    "Some websites such as streaming videos, news publications, or social media are denied to you if you're in a specific country or region. ZenMate allows you to choose your public location, and access otherwise restricted content."

    So in my case I use it to watch BBC iPlayer in Prague, as well as accessing other sites in a way which makes them think I am in the UK. Others do something similar to access US based content.
    Adding to this.

    It's normally a way a remote worker can connect to their network at work, so it's as if you're in the office. These kind of VPN's achieve the same thing, but instead of connecting to an office environment you connect to their network to pretend to be in another country removing restrictions.


    Also the traffic is private, meaning. They cant see what you are recieving or transmitting.
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    What sort of prices are you guys paying for your VPN's I assume you shopped around?
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    Anyone had one of these emails or letters?
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    All seems a bit dodgy to me hiding who you are and what you're searching on the Web.
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    What sort of prices are you guys paying for your VPN's I assume you shopped around?

    I had Zenmate free for the first year (not sure they are still offering that, as they were a start up then) and now pay around €40 per year. Very responsive if you ever have tech problems. Berlin based.

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    What sort of prices are you guys paying for your VPN's I assume you shopped around?

    I had Zenmate free for the first year (not sure they are still offering that, as they were a start up then) and now pay around €40 per year. Very responsive if you ever have tech problems. Berlin based.

    That seems very reasonable Prague, thank you.
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    Dazzler21 said:

    All seems a bit dodgy to me hiding who you are and what you're searching on the Web.

    Common sense to do it. If I go to a library and read a book, the government can't see what I'm reading, so why should they know what I've looked at on the web? Please don't come out with that 'If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide' bollox. I don't trust the government, I don't trust the police, I certainly don't trust the security services, so I'll happily hide by viewing of Charlton Life from the lot of them.
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    I have limited knowledge of it but surely there must be some sort of breaking of the data protection act if companies that supply broadband or TV were to supply customer's details without their permission?
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    In reality, no one cares if you are streaming or downloading copyright material aside from the companies making it or have a financial interest in it. ISPs make a minimal effort to stop it as they don't want to lose customers. If it needed to stop they could stop 25% or more of it tomorrow. At this stage there is no reason for ISPs to do this as it isn't illegal. VPNs can aid privacy but you are not anonymous. If you want your activity to be anonymous, don't do it on an internet connected device.
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    Below, more of the Zenmate pitch. Note that they remind us it is not just "the authorities" who are currently tracking us

    "Website trackers from banner ads, website analytics, and social media are like eyes following you around the Internet, reporting your movements back to HQ. ZenMate is like wearing a cloak of invisibility - you can go anywhere undetected."

    "When you connect to the Internet using unsecured or public wifi, anyone on the same network can sneak in and steal your information. ZenMate is your suit of armor which protects you while traveling through unfamiliar Internet."
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    That's very informative. Thanks.
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    Some of you seem to have a good knowledge of VPN's, but some questions are bugging me:

    1) Someone sets up a company, uses some software to create a VPN and charges you to use their software... wouldn't the owner of said company now have a history of your Internet usage, rather than your ISP? Wouldn't I be better off with Virgin having a record of my search history rather than some random guy in Ohio/Taiwan/Moscow?

    2) Once you've paid your subscription fee, how do you know that the thing is even working? I'm not very well going to call Virgin and ask them: "do you have a record of my search history?"
    Is there any way of getting confirmation that the VPN is actually doing what it's supposed to do?

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    Some of you seem to have a good knowledge of VPN's, but some questions are bugging me:

    1) Someone sets up a company, uses some software to create a VPN and charges you to use their software... wouldn't the owner of said company now have a history of your Internet usage, rather than your ISP? Wouldn't I be better off with Virgin having a record of my search history rather than some random guy in Ohio/Taiwan/Moscow?

    2) Once you've paid your subscription fee, how do you know that the thing is even working? I'm not very well going to call Virgin and ask them: "do you have a record of my search history?"
    Is there any way of getting confirmation that the VPN is actually doing what it's supposed to do?


    No 1 is a good question. In the case of Zenmate, they have a pretty clear privacy policy, so it becomes your call whether you decide to trust them.

    2 is more straightforward. Zenmate has a badge in the toolbar, and also sends messages (on the Mac anyway) as to whether it is connected or has dropped for whatever reason. However another way would simply be to try and log on to a web facility in another country that only allows you their stuff if you are in that country. So in my case, can I watch iPlayer or Sky footie clips? In your case if you are in the UK, set your VPN to USA and see if you can log on to content that is restricted to USA residents.
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