I find this the strangest appointment. Prior to a few months ago I had never heard of him doing any coaching. Seems a very quick jump and I feel sorry for Euell who must wonder what he has to do
was on talksport around Jan/feb saying he was looking for a coaching position but realised he'd need to start at the bottom and work his way up.
He was in the same Charlton youth team as Jason Tindall (Eddie Howe's #2) - maybe they are still in touch with each other and we can leverage something from the relationship
I find this the strangest appointment. Prior to a few months ago I had never heard of him doing any coaching. Seems a very quick jump and I feel sorry for Euell who must wonder what he has to do
was on talksport around Jan/feb saying he was looking for a coaching position but realised he'd need to start at the bottom and work his way up.
he's got his wish then, no problem with this appointment at all, ex CAFC - hopefully he's learnt from his mistakes and can install some b*llocks into our side
if he's half as good a coach as he was a player then we'll do alright
From Karl's interviews in the last couple weeks I got the impression he would be bringing in an experienced assistant and having Bowyer and JJ both as coaches.
Perhaps he's been told there's not the budget for that either.
I believe that Bowyer was at Watford U23s with Harry Kewell for a while, I remember him saying he couldn't believe the lack of respect some of the young players have nowadays. As if they are something special and that they're doing the coaches a favour, not the other way around.
(I know he wasn't the best behaved but I am sure he still respected his coaches as a young player here at Charlton)
I think the appointment of Bowyer as assistant manager with Jackson as player/coach is good, it keeps things fresh. The players will have a closer relationship with the coaches as they won't be too far apart in age and Robinson has had a large variety of different coaches working with him in the past, and that can only be a good thing. He would have picked up a lot from a lot of people, including when he worked with Big Sam.
The best coaches are always the best thief's. You work with someone, you steal what they do and you make it your own.
I find this the strangest appointment. Prior to a few months ago I had never heard of him doing any coaching. Seems a very quick jump and I feel sorry for Euell who must wonder what he has to do
I wouldn't worry about it, they usually give somebody with little / no experience the managers job.
I heard that Lee Bowyer will be Robinsons Assistant Manager.
Another appointment lacking in the necessary experience required.
Only 10 years Prem/Champ League/International knowledge. What can he possibly bring to the table?
Yes and about 3 months part time actual coaching experience.
We are a tier 3 club, what do you expect as an assistant.
It's either a coach with loads of experience but has not achieved much, or someone looking for experience with a fantastic career as a player behind him
I heard that Lee Bowyer will be Robinsons Assistant Manager.
Another appointment lacking in the necessary experience required.
Only 10 years Prem/Champ League/International knowledge. What can he possibly bring to the table?
Yes and about 3 months part time actual coaching experience.
We are a tier 3 club, what do you expect as an assistant.
It's either a coach with loads of experience but has not achieved much, or someone looking for experience with a fantastic career as a player behind him
Look around pretty much every other tier 3 club. The combined experience of their assistant and first team coach are at a minimum double that of JJ/LB.
It's not necessarily a criticism people are simply saying that we will have 1 relatively inexperienced manager with 2 very inexperienced coaches. We would feel more comfortable with someone with a little more experience alongside ala Barker/Nugent/any number of others.
There are things that are clearly very wrong and broken but not everything. It may be a bit of a punt but KR wants players to know what "being a Charlton player" is all about.
I heard from a couple of players that the atmosphere has led to players in the dressing room questioning "why do we bother when they are going to behave like that". I don't know names but the player who said it said it DOES play a part for some people.
A younger or lower league player looking at us is still going to see the appeal of a club of our size - and having a player with Champions League and Premiership experience can only be a good thing.
Until it's announced we can't be sure but I know for a fact KR stated recently he would be leaning heavily on both Jacko and Bowyer in the run-in so figured this was the plan for next season.
Whether this could be seen as "getting our Charlton back" remains to be seen but it's an improvement on some no-mark Belgian coach that's for sure.
Don't seem to remember Curbs and Gritt having too much coaching experience!They didn't do too bad.Everyone has start at some point
As I remember it both had been coaching the reserves and first team under Lawrence for a while but you are right they had relatively little experience.
But then I also remember we didn't have a pot to piss in rather than a multi-millionaire owner.
I don't know if Bowyer is any good or will become good but he is a strange choice when supposedly we have such a generous owner.
Don't seem to remember Curbs and Gritt having too much coaching experience!They didn't do too bad.Everyone has start at some point
As I remember it both had been coaching the reserves and first team under Lawrence for a while but you are right they had relatively little experience.
But then I also remember we didn't have a pot to piss in rather than a multi-millionaire owner.
I don't know if Bowyer is any good or will become good but he is a strange choice when supposedly we have such a generous owner.
Just trying to forget for one moment the wealth of RD.We are in Lg 1 and many on here say they want there Charlton back.Well JJ and Bowyer are pretty much Charlton - so I would have thought they tick that Box!
There are things that are clearly very wrong and broken but not everything. It may be a bit of a punt but KR wants players to know what "being a Charlton player" is all about.
I heard from a couple of players that the atmosphere has led to players in the dressing room questioning "why do we bother when they are going to behave like that". I don't know names but the player who said it said it DOES play a part for some people.
A younger or lower league player looking at us is still going to see the appeal of a club of our size - and having a player with Champions League and Premiership experience can only be a good thing.
Until it's announced we can't be sure but I know for a fact KR stated recently he would be leaning heavily on both Jacko and Bowyer in the run-in so figured this was the plan for next season.
Whether this could be seen as "getting our Charlton back" remains to be seen but it's an improvement on some no-mark Belgian coach that's for sure.
If the players are annoyed about the atmosphere, do you think they have tried taking it up with Katrien Meire? The reason why the players (are supposed to) bother is because they are paid. However it is a trait in football people to look for excuses when their own failings have let them down. I don't (for example) remember the players being dissed when they threw it away at home to Wimbledon, or failed to show up at home to Peterborough. Poor lickle lambs, they need to seek advice from Roger Johnson, or as I said at the beginning they ought to ask what Katrien Meire is going to do about it.
Don't seem to remember Curbs and Gritt having too much coaching experience!They didn't do too bad.Everyone has start at some point
Don't seem to remember Alan Curbishley being dropped from the England U-18 squad and suspended for failing a drugs test; leaving Charlton after fewer than sixty games, whilst still a teenager, the first time another club waved a fat signing fee in his face; being convicted of affray and fined £4,500 for smashing up a McDonald's and racially abusing staff; being charged with affray for an incident for which he had to pay £170,000 in an out-of-court settlement; being fined four weeks' wages by his club; being turned down for a £9m transfer to Liverpool because he didn't have the hunger for it; being fined £30,000 for fighting a team mate and being red carded during a game, being charged by the police and admitting using threatening behaviour costing another £1,600; verbally abusing a West Brom supporter and being forced to apologise; getting a three match ban for stamping, off the ball; or holding the record for the most yellow cards in the Premier League.
Curbishley and Gritt had been player-coaches for Charlton. So they had current experience of playing in the division in which they were coaching. Has Lee Bowyer got experience playing for Charlton in tier three? Or for anyone else?
Curbishley played 91 games for Charlton over a nine-year period and transitioned from being a Charlton player to player-coach to joint manager to manager.
Bowyer played just over half that number, more than twenty years ago.
You want to compare Bowyer with Curbishley? Do me a favour.
Lee Bowyer was a very good prospect for Charlton a couple of decades ago. He became a horrible, nasty, spiteful, violent, thug, convicted of violent crimes and guilty of some of the most abhorrent acts wherever he played across England. Is he the right person to be "coaching" young Charlton players about how to develop their careers? He's not fit to tie Alan Curbishley's bootlaces, let alone be compared to him.
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if he's half as good a coach as he was a player then we'll do alright
Perhaps he's been told there's not the budget for that either.
(I know he wasn't the best behaved but I am sure he still respected his coaches as a young player here at Charlton)
I think the appointment of Bowyer as assistant manager with Jackson as player/coach is good, it keeps things fresh. The players will have a closer relationship with the coaches as they won't be too far apart in age and Robinson has had a large variety of different coaches working with him in the past, and that can only be a good thing. He would have picked up a lot from a lot of people, including when he worked with Big Sam.
The best coaches are always the best thief's. You work with someone, you steal what they do and you make it your own.
What can he possibly bring to the table?
It's either a coach with loads of experience but has not achieved much, or someone looking for experience with a fantastic career as a player behind him
It's not necessarily a criticism people are simply saying that we will have 1 relatively inexperienced manager with 2 very inexperienced coaches. We would feel more comfortable with someone with a little more experience alongside ala Barker/Nugent/any number of others.
"Tell them you know what is needed. I dare you. I double dare you, motherfucker."
F*** Charlton bringing you up eh Lee?!
He was a great player for us and his career left us trailing in his wake.
He's not exactly eloquent, but then he doesn't have to be.
We'll have to wait and see, but I can see no objective reason to criticise the appointment.
I'd rather Bowyer than a little known Belgian.
Let's not moan for the sake of moaning.
Let's not moan for the sake of moaning.
This 100%
There are things that are clearly very wrong and broken but not everything. It may be a bit of a punt but KR wants players to know what "being a Charlton player" is all about.
I heard from a couple of players that the atmosphere has led to players in the dressing room questioning "why do we bother when they are going to behave like that". I don't know names but the player who said it said it DOES play a part for some people.
A younger or lower league player looking at us is still going to see the appeal of a club of our size - and having a player with Champions League and Premiership experience can only be a good thing.
Until it's announced we can't be sure but I know for a fact KR stated recently he would be leaning heavily on both Jacko and Bowyer in the run-in so figured this was the plan for next season.
Whether this could be seen as "getting our Charlton back" remains to be seen but it's an improvement on some no-mark Belgian coach that's for sure.
But then I also remember we didn't have a pot to piss in rather than a multi-millionaire owner.
I don't know if Bowyer is any good or will become good but he is a strange choice when supposedly we have such a generous owner.
Let's not moan for the sake of moaning.
This 100%
There are things that are clearly very wrong and broken but not everything. It may be a bit of a punt but KR wants players to know what "being a Charlton player" is all about.
I heard from a couple of players that the atmosphere has led to players in the dressing room questioning "why do we bother when they are going to behave like that". I don't know names but the player who said it said it DOES play a part for some people.
A younger or lower league player looking at us is still going to see the appeal of a club of our size - and having a player with Champions League and Premiership experience can only be a good thing.
Until it's announced we can't be sure but I know for a fact KR stated recently he would be leaning heavily on both Jacko and Bowyer in the run-in so figured this was the plan for next season.
Whether this could be seen as "getting our Charlton back" remains to be seen but it's an improvement on some no-mark Belgian coach that's for sure.
If the players are annoyed about the atmosphere, do you think they have tried taking it up with Katrien Meire?
The reason why the players (are supposed to) bother is because they are paid. However it is a trait in football people to look for excuses when their own failings have let them down.
I don't (for example) remember the players being dissed when they threw it away at home to Wimbledon, or failed to show up at home to Peterborough.
Poor lickle lambs, they need to seek advice from Roger Johnson, or as I said at the beginning they ought to ask what Katrien Meire is going to do about it.
Curbishley and Gritt had been player-coaches for Charlton. So they had current experience of playing in the division in which they were coaching. Has Lee Bowyer got experience playing for Charlton in tier three? Or for anyone else?
Curbishley played 91 games for Charlton over a nine-year period and transitioned from being a Charlton player to player-coach to joint manager to manager.
Bowyer played just over half that number, more than twenty years ago.
You want to compare Bowyer with Curbishley? Do me a favour.
Lee Bowyer was a very good prospect for Charlton a couple of decades ago. He became a horrible, nasty, spiteful, violent, thug, convicted of violent crimes and guilty of some of the most abhorrent acts wherever he played across England. Is he the right person to be "coaching" young Charlton players about how to develop their careers? He's not fit to tie Alan Curbishley's bootlaces, let alone be compared to him.