Fox will be a decent defender in a stronger, more balanced team that does not leave him exposed & has better options in midfield & in front of him. Gets a lot of stick, a lot of it over the top. Fox is a decent character & has a good attitude, handling the scapegoating he gets well.
Chicksen can step into left back, who is the back up to Chicksen if he gets injured ? Will that be addressed in this window ?
Selling Holmes Dennis & Fox in the same season is just typical Duchatelet short sighted short term myopic stupidity & idiocy that has plagued Charlton & the balance of the squad since Duchatelet has owned the club. Duchatelet & Meire have no idea or real interest in continuity, consistency or supporting a balanced team & squad.
For every problem area they address they create a different weakness & in balance in the team.
Best game I saw him play was against Wednesday away last season funny enough. Shakey 10 mins (regular occurance) but this time he put a cruncher on McGeady and was solid. If he has a defensive jack of all trades player infront of him he is ok. If you are looking for a rock to cover a right sided att mid, then you are wasting money.
He hasn't been great but has been unfairly singled out by a lot of our supporters. Don't begrudge anyone the chance to escape the sea of shit that is cafc. A chance to uncharltonise.
Those that like Fox, it seems that most are saying that he tries hard. Whilst I won't deny that is that a reason to think someone is a good player? Does it come back to the cliches we were talking about the other day about passion, hard work, blood and guts etc etc.? Because for me if that's all he has to offer then I'll take 6 figures gladly.
Those that like Fox, it seems that most are saying that he tries hard. Whilst I won't deny that is that a reason to think someone is a good player? Does it come back to the cliches we were talking about the other day about passion, hard work, blood and guts etc etc.? Because for me if that's all he has to offer then I'll take 6 figures gladly.
And replace him with someone similar to a player like Reza (only a Left-Back)... Someone who has the talent yet has no passion cant be bothered to work for the team? - I think its proven the last few years how difficult it is to get someone who has both the talent and care for Charlton and at the moment I'd definitely take someone with the latter!!
Brilliant full-back - will be England regular before end of decade.
He is Welsh.
Was born in Chelmsford so despite playing for Wales U21s he's not actually played in a competitive game for the Senior Squad so could still play for England
Those that like Fox, it seems that most are saying that he tries hard. Whilst I won't deny that is that a reason to think someone is a good player? Does it come back to the cliches we were talking about the other day about passion, hard work, blood and guts etc etc.? Because for me if that's all he has to offer then I'll take 6 figures gladly.
And replace him with someone similar to a player like Reza (only a Left-Back)... Someone who has the talent yet has no passion cant be bothered to work for the team? - I think its proven the last few years how difficult it is to get someone who has both the talent and care for Charlton and at the moment I'd definitely take someone with the latter!!
Chicksen is a better left back imo. Reza (who i hated) had a lack of passion and talent, but there must be a decent LB willing to go out on loan from the prem. Flip that, there must also be a good upcoming LB from the lower leagues. In both instances the players should be hungry to succeed.
Simon Francis the Bournemouth full back used to get loads of stick in division one with us and now is a regular premier league starter so he may go on to be ok. It would be a good move for all , you and Roland.
I think people need to look around and understand even semi decent left backs are hard to find. Do you remember how many we churned through under Parkinson and Powell before Wiggins arrived?
Wiggins was the best in League 1 at the time and it worked because he had balance around him and he worked particularly well with Jackson.
Morgan Fox is a decent hard working professional. He is 23 and has 80 Championship appearances to his name. He is first and foremost a defender. He can play at a Championship level as he proved when he kept Wiggins out of the team.
Has he performed to that level over the past season and a half? No, yet he has been consistently picked by 8 head coaches. Why has he struggled? It is not just a question of the endless variations of players he has had played in front of him, many who have long since disappeared out of a senior football but it is the endless churn of 8 coaches/ managers through the past 3yrs.
He is just one of 3 players who have had to work through the totality of this turmoil. Solly and Jackson are both are shadows of their former selves. One has carried an injury throughout and at times has been peripheral to the nonsense that has passed for a football clubhouse. The other now rarely features in anything more than a cameo. Fox has been through it all front and centre. It takes its toll.
We have churned 120 professional players in 3yrs? Who out of those have regularly performed to their best? Young talent goes before they play a full season. Of the remainder none has consistently shone through the maelstrom of coach after coach after manager.
Fox badly needs a change of scenery and maybe we do as well. If he goes I wish him well. Will he succeed at Wednesday? Who knows, but I think we can be sure there will not be a harder working professional at the club trying to make it happen.
I think people need to look around and understand even semi decent left backs are hard to find. Do you remember how many we churned through under Parkinson and Powell before Wiggins arrived?
Even prior to Parkinson... You've got to go back to Hermann as our last settled Left-Back prior to Rhoys Wiggins.
Thatcher | Powell | Youga | McEverly | Borrowdale | Jackson all tried to make the position theirs
Those that like Fox, it seems that most are saying that he tries hard. Whilst I won't deny that is that a reason to think someone is a good player? Does it come back to the cliches we were talking about the other day about passion, hard work, blood and guts etc etc.? Because for me if that's all he has to offer then I'll take 6 figures gladly.
Completely agree that, unto itself, it is nowhere near enough, and I'm very much in the camp of "I prefer technical ability to 'passion'.:" The hard work bits are not something I had in my comments, but I do think it's a good trait in an individual in that he has been dealt a lot of stick, and had some very poor games, and has constantly bounced back from it. Whatever you think of him as a player, surely you can't deny him that.
As the mark of a young professional, it shows that he is able to deal with failure and criticism, and a good work ethic hopefully means he will improve through that hard work. I do think Fox has improved, and it particularly showed in the second half of last season. Against Boro, he had Adomah (I think it was) in his back pocket, closed down every cross and gave him no joy. Sometimes improvement in young players is lopsided, and you take two steps forward and one step backward, but I think with the right coaching and better players around him than we currently have he will continue to improve.
As far as I am aware only Tutt Tutt on this thread has worked as a scout in football and he rates him which says something @owlsonlineadmin .
My understanding is that we almost released him as a lad but he worked like mad to get his contract. You would be getting a very hard working, dedicated young pro with a decent level of experience. He has height on his side for a FB but lacks pace and gets caught out. He has always worked far better with someone to provide protection in front of him, often in our set ups he has been isolated.
Personally, I see him as League One and certainly not promotion chasing Championship but then I thought Simon Francis was just about the worst player to pull on a shirt for us and was nicking a living. He is now Biurnemouth skipper and a mainstay in a successful PL team which shows what I (and most others on here who had /have a similar opinion) know.
Hope this is true. For us and for Foxy. My own view is that despite being a good lad and an honest trier, he's just not good enough. Too many aspects of his game just not up to scratch. He looks like a converted centre half as he's always too far infield for me. Oh wait! I'd wish him well but snap off the hand that offers more than about £100k. Actually, it's Dooshit's money so call it ten bob.
If it's true that Morgan is off to Wednesday for the speculated fee then I say we've done some good business. I wish Morgan well and because he's had such a rough time with us recently I think it's a good opportunity for him to start afresh. He's certainly got the bollocks to dig in and make it work and I hope he does. Wednesday are a proper football club and if he makes it there he will have done very well.
I'm in the pro Fox camp. He gives everything, and has had dogs abuse at times from our fans. He is hardly surrounded by the cream of league 1, and the players in front of him have left him exposed over and over again. That said, he has made his fair share of mistakes. Certainly better for him to try his luck elsewhere, and probably for us too.
This.
However as he has suffered dogs abuse, if the club decide to sell him I expect to hear no complaints about it - even if he isn't replaced as many would rather have my Nan playing than Morgan.
For all the solidarity and 'Support the team not the Regime' declarations, I have to say that I am ashamed of the way many of the Charlton fans have treated this young player. Maybe he'll make it and maybe he won't but it is outrageously unrealistic to expect all our youth players to burst onto the scene and be one the best players in the the division (a la Lookman). I am reading comments at the moment about how disgusted people are that we would sell Lookman, even though he is, clearly, far too good for our side. If we don't show the patience to allow our youth players to develop then we need to stop complaining about selling out best youth players as it is only those too good for us that (many of) the fans will allow to play in out first team without booing them and destroying their confidence.
As far as I am aware only Tutt Tutt on this thread has worked as a scout in football and he rates him which says something @owlsonlineadmin .
My understanding is that we almost released him as a lad but he worked like mad to get his contract. You would be getting a very hard working, dedicated young pro with a decent level of experience. He has height on his side for a FB but lacks pace and gets caught out. He has always worked far better with someone to provide protection in front of him, often in our set ups he has been isolated.
Personally, I see him as League One and certainly not promotion chasing Championship but then I thought Simon Francis was just about the worst player to pull on a shirt for us and was nicking a living. He is now Biurnemouth skipper and a mainstay in a successful PL team which shows what I (and most others on here who had /have a similar opinion) know.
If I recall correctly, Tutt-tutt pointed out some significant deficiencies in his game on the other Morgan Fox thread. He didn't question his attitude but did say we should have sold him when we had the chance.
I think it might be best for Fox that he moves on and makes a new start. If (and its a BIG 'if') the money is spent on a replacement that improves the team at that position, its good business.
Yeah that's what's so frustrating. We had offers for Fox in the summer as well, decided to keep him and let THD go. To be fair THD forced a move, but I suspect he might have felt differently if he'd been first choice or seemingly in Slade's plans at all. Now that Slade's gone, KR might have fancied him, and we're now looking to sell Fox.
There's no medium to longer term thinking or continuity (not even by six months!). Slade and KR have very different styles, and we have no Director of Football looking not only at individual players, but how they fit into a larger system, to provide exactly that joined up thinking. We can blame Meire for not having that, but I'd argue that's not the job of the CEO at a football club. She is to blame for not hiring some to do that job.
wholehearted but limited .. I'll be sorry to see him go .. BUT .. it seems that Robinson needs or wants to sign 4 or 5, to do that he need some funds coming in .. so if Fox goes, so be it .. and let's face it the Owls are in with a chance of promotion, Fox could well jump at the chance of a move
As far as I am aware only Tutt Tutt on this thread has worked as a scout in football and he rates him which says something @owlsonlineadmin .
My understanding is that we almost released him as a lad but he worked like mad to get his contract. You would be getting a very hard working, dedicated young pro with a decent level of experience. He has height on his side for a FB but lacks pace and gets caught out. He has always worked far better with someone to provide protection in front of him, often in our set ups he has been isolated.
Personally, I see him as League One and certainly not promotion chasing Championship but then I thought Simon Francis was just about the worst player to pull on a shirt for us and was nicking a living. He is now Biurnemouth skipper and a mainstay in a successful PL team which shows what I (and most others on here who had /have a similar opinion) know.
I don't need a food critic to tell me when I'm eating a good steak
He has a good engine and a sweet left foot and has assisted a few goals this year. He is brave and blocks well. Not bad in the air. He is a decent defender but room to improve. Our problem is that we have had a succession of excellent left backs over the last decade or two, so Morgan does not compare well with the likes of Wiggins. He is more a dour defender than an attacker. Every game he plays he does both good and bad, so he is a mixed bag. I quite like him because you know what you are going to get. Wears his heart on is sleeve. Bless.
I'm not exactly sure what his best position is supposed to be, but Chicksen is definitely not the answer at left back. I don't rate him at all and TBH I can see him quickly becoming even more of a scapegoat than fox.
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Chicksen can step into left back, who is the back up to Chicksen if he gets injured ? Will that be addressed in this window ?
Selling Holmes Dennis & Fox in the same season is just typical Duchatelet short sighted short term myopic stupidity & idiocy that has plagued Charlton & the balance of the squad since Duchatelet has owned the club. Duchatelet & Meire have no idea or real interest in continuity, consistency or supporting a balanced team & squad.
For every problem area they address they create a different weakness & in balance in the team.
However, he has never hid and will put a shift in.
I have a funny feeling that in a few years time he may well have developed into a very good full back.
Don't begrudge anyone the chance to escape the sea of shit that is cafc. A chance to uncharltonise.
Wiggins was the best in League 1 at the time and it worked because he had balance around him and he worked particularly well with Jackson.
Morgan Fox is a decent hard working professional. He is 23 and has 80 Championship appearances to his name. He is first and foremost a defender. He can play at a Championship level as he proved when he kept Wiggins out of the team.
Has he performed to that level over the past season and a half? No, yet he has been consistently picked by 8 head coaches. Why has he struggled? It is not just a question of the endless variations of players he has had played in front of him, many who have long since disappeared out of a senior football but it is the endless churn of 8 coaches/ managers through the past 3yrs.
He is just one of 3 players who have had to work through the totality of this turmoil. Solly and Jackson are both are shadows of their former selves. One has carried an injury throughout and at times has been peripheral to the nonsense that has passed for a football clubhouse. The other now rarely features in anything more than a cameo. Fox has been through it all front and centre. It takes its toll.
We have churned 120 professional players in 3yrs? Who out of those have regularly performed to their best? Young talent goes before they play a full season. Of the remainder none has consistently shone through the maelstrom of coach after coach after manager.
Fox badly needs a change of scenery and maybe we do as well. If he goes I wish him well. Will he succeed at Wednesday? Who knows, but I think we can be sure there will not be a harder working professional at the club trying to make it happen.
I have seen a lot worse investments.
Thatcher | Powell | Youga | McEverly | Borrowdale | Jackson all tried to make the position theirs
As the mark of a young professional, it shows that he is able to deal with failure and criticism, and a good work ethic hopefully means he will improve through that hard work. I do think Fox has improved, and it particularly showed in the second half of last season. Against Boro, he had Adomah (I think it was) in his back pocket, closed down every cross and gave him no joy. Sometimes improvement in young players is lopsided, and you take two steps forward and one step backward, but I think with the right coaching and better players around him than we currently have he will continue to improve.
My understanding is that we almost released him as a lad but he worked like mad to get his contract. You would be getting a very hard working, dedicated young pro with a decent level of experience. He has height on his side for a FB but lacks pace and gets caught out. He has always worked far better with someone to provide protection in front of him, often in our set ups he has been isolated.
Personally, I see him as League One and certainly not promotion chasing Championship but then I thought Simon Francis was just about the worst player to pull on a shirt for us and was nicking a living. He is now Biurnemouth skipper and a mainstay in a successful PL team which shows what I (and most others on here who had /have a similar opinion) know.
However as he has suffered dogs abuse, if the club decide to sell him I expect to hear no complaints about it - even if he isn't replaced as many would rather have my Nan playing than Morgan.
For all the solidarity and 'Support the team not the Regime' declarations, I have to say that I am ashamed of the way many of the Charlton fans have treated this young player. Maybe he'll make it and maybe he won't but it is outrageously unrealistic to expect all our youth players to burst onto the scene and be one the best players in the the division (a la Lookman). I am reading comments at the moment about how disgusted people are that we would sell Lookman, even though he is, clearly, far too good for our side. If we don't show the patience to allow our youth players to develop then we need to stop complaining about selling out best youth players as it is only those too good for us that (many of) the fans will allow to play in out first team without booing them and destroying their confidence.
Rant over.
I think it might be best for Fox that he moves on and makes a new start. If (and its a BIG 'if') the money is spent on a replacement that improves the team at that position, its good business.
I do think people tend to overlook the effect complete turmoil can have on one's character.
There's no medium to longer term thinking or continuity (not even by six months!). Slade and KR have very different styles, and we have no Director of Football looking not only at individual players, but how they fit into a larger system, to provide exactly that joined up thinking. We can blame Meire for not having that, but I'd argue that's not the job of the CEO at a football club. She is to blame for not hiring some to do that job.
and let's face it the Owls are in with a chance of promotion, Fox could well jump at the chance of a move
I'm not exactly sure what his best position is supposed to be, but Chicksen is definitely not the answer at left back. I don't rate him at all and TBH I can see him quickly becoming even more of a scapegoat than fox.