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Realistic possibilities for next season and getting back to the Prem

What sort of realistic timescale are we talking? Charlton WILL get back to the Prem - the question is when. A couple of years before the Berlin Wall fell that event looked a hundred years away, as I say it will happen but when.
First, we clearly have to get rid of the present owners. So - the question is: What will that take? Answer: We must aim to get down to League 2 - and maybe even non-league - as quickly as possible. That has to be our target - and let's face it, if we're making it our deliberate target, it'll feel like we've achieved something when we get there - which we WILL.
This will be the point - or a year later in the non-league? - when we finally get rid, and can then start the recovery.
The recovery - a REAL recovery - isn't going to involve us finishing 14th in League One and aiming for a 'good' season to finish 11th a year later. Let's do it the only realistic way - knock the rotten building down and start afresh.
ATB Dave

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  • 2020 with a crowd of 20k and the owner is David Beckham, with a CEO of merit.
  • Welcome to Charlton Life Dave.
  • Remember Man City went down to League 2 a few years ago. IMO they wouldn't have recovered back to the Prem had they only gone down to League One - they needed to get as low as they could before starting afresh. It's realistic. Nobody likes the thought of another relegation, but why does it have to be permanent? Charlton is a great club and will remain a great club, and we need to be thinking realistically of getting back to the Prem.
    Remember a few years ago - it wasn't that long! - when we WERE in the Prem......a lot of people were pathetically saying "Oh well, relegation won't be that bad, if we go down we'll see us winning more and see more exciting football, and the seats'll be cheaper too." A LOT of CAFC fans were saying stooped things like that. They were getting bored in the Prem. They said that the Championship was Charlton's 'natural level' and undermined the club as it fought against the drop. Wrong. The Prem at the time we were in the Prem - and doing well in the Prem - was CAFC's natural level IMO and that's the level we should be aspiring to now. Personally I don't mind taking a short term relegation or two in order to make a return to the Prem achievable. You can only do that with a well-run club, which we're at present not.
  • Remember Man City went down to League 2 a few years ago. IMO they wouldn't have recovered back to the Prem had they only gone down to League One - they needed to get as low as they could before starting afresh. It's realistic. Nobody likes the thought of another relegation, but why does it have to be permanent? Charlton is a great club and will remain a great club, and we need to be thinking realistically of getting back to the Prem.
    Remember a few years ago - it wasn't that long! - when we WERE in the Prem......a lot of people were pathetically saying "Oh well, relegation won't be that bad, if we go down we'll see us winning more and see more exciting football, and the seats'll be cheaper too." A LOT of CAFC fans were saying stooped things like that. They were getting bored in the Prem. They said that the Championship was Charlton's 'natural level' and undermined the club as it fought against the drop. Wrong. The Prem at the time we were in the Prem - and doing well in the Prem - was CAFC's natural level IMO and that's the level we should be aspiring to now. Personally I don't mind taking a short term relegation or two in order to make a return to the Prem achievable. You can only do that with a well-run club, which we're at present not.

    No they didn't, they never went below League One.
  • What sort of realistic timescale are we talking? Charlton WILL get back to the Prem - the question is when. A couple of years before the Berlin Wall fell that event looked a hundred years away, as I say it will happen but when.
    First, we clearly have to get rid of the present owners. So - the question is: What will that take? Answer: We must aim to get down to League 2 - and maybe even non-league - as quickly as possible. That has to be our target - and let's face it, if we're making it our deliberate target, it'll feel like we've achieved something when we get there - which we WILL.
    This will be the point - or a year later in the non-league? - when we finally get rid, and can then start the recovery.
    The recovery - a REAL recovery - isn't going to involve us finishing 14th in League One and aiming for a 'good' season to finish 11th a year later. Let's do it the only realistic way - knock the rotten building down and start afresh.
    ATB Dave

    X+(y*2) = PL

    Where X is how many years until Uncle Roland pops his clogs and y is the number of divisions below the Premier League we are.
  • Realistically. The Premiership you can forget forever unless there is a takeover by someone who is prepared to spend and money to build the required infrastructure. All non Prem teams are going to struggle to compete with it seems the never ending supply of money to the elite. More concerning is in the short term the next managerial selection is probably the most vital in the modern day history of the club. More blunders will ultimately put this club in league two. If RD is to stay he needs to have a complete change of direction and start running this club like a business. It's not fair to the fans
  • Thanks for the correction Rob62. League 2 was back then the name of what's now League One - I've learnt something.
    Nevertheless, the point I was trying to make is a valid one. Put in a nutshell - IMO it doesn't matter if we go down to League Two or even non-league, as this in the overall scheme of things for a great club like Charlton will feel the same as being in poxy League One. CAFC, whilst not being 'massive' like Man City, still belongs in the Premiership/Championship, and where we are outside those two divisions won't matter until we sort ourselves out.
  • Infrastructure? Well, we already have a Premiership ground. Compare us in that respect to e.g. Bournemouth - there's no comparison. Watford had a good Prem season too, not a great capacity there either.
    I agree with you - it's about changing the ownership. The question, as already said, is how to get rid of them......sometimes you have to get to your lowest point possible before you can rise. We shouldn't be frittering away energy as fans worrying about whether we'll finish 11th or 9th in League One - that's irrelevant now. We KNOW that the owners are damaging us. That and only that should be the focus of the fans.
    Personally - and this is just me, others have different ideas about the nature of support I know - I'd boycott all of next season or at least until the owners are forced out.
    [And that comes from someone who used to be a regular in the dark days of Selhurst. If you want success for the club you have to be prepared to focus on the one thing now, get rid of the owners. The problem with calling for a boycott is that there'll always be a core number of people who will break the boycott for the obvious reasons, mostly because they're addicted [no pun intended] to their weekly football, and these guys are often the young ones who live season by season and can't see things over a larger timespan, which is what we probably need now. Interesting debate though, fans have to do what they think is best for the club. Dave
  • Very difficult decision to know whether to go on strike or not. Not sure that not going to hone games is the best way to put the message across.
  • Rob62 said:

    Remember Man City went down to League 2 a few years ago. IMO they wouldn't have recovered back to the Prem had they only gone down to League One - they needed to get as low as they could before starting afresh. It's realistic. Nobody likes the thought of another relegation, but why does it have to be permanent? Charlton is a great club and will remain a great club, and we need to be thinking realistically of getting back to the Prem.
    Remember a few years ago - it wasn't that long! - when we WERE in the Prem......a lot of people were pathetically saying "Oh well, relegation won't be that bad, if we go down we'll see us winning more and see more exciting football, and the seats'll be cheaper too." A LOT of CAFC fans were saying stooped things like that. They were getting bored in the Prem. They said that the Championship was Charlton's 'natural level' and undermined the club as it fought against the drop. Wrong. The Prem at the time we were in the Prem - and doing well in the Prem - was CAFC's natural level IMO and that's the level we should be aspiring to now. Personally I don't mind taking a short term relegation or two in order to make a return to the Prem achievable. You can only do that with a well-run club, which we're at present not.

    No they didn't, they never went below League One.
    Posted this on another thread re Man City

    When Man City went down to this league every game was a cup final for the opposition playing in front of a capacity crowd. City had an experienced ex top flight manager in Joe Royle once shortlisted as a replacement for Bobby Robson as England manager; more or less an unlimited player budget; got the best players who were prepared to play at that level; a Board of directors chaired by David Bernstein and including ex players like Dennis Tueart BUT lost to the likes of Lincoln City and Mansfield and struggled from mid table to make the play offs and only got promotion by the skin of their teeth on penalties.

    You don't get out of this league on reputation.

    Compare that with what we will be facing under this regime.
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  • Ithsmian League Prem has never looked such a possibility!
  • What sort of realistic timescale are we talking? Charlton WILL get back to the Prem - the question is when. A couple of years before the Berlin Wall fell that event looked a hundred years away, as I say it will happen but when.
    First, we clearly have to get rid of the present owners. So - the question is: What will that take? Answer: We must aim to get down to League 2 - and maybe even non-league - as quickly as possible. That has to be our target - and let's face it, if we're making it our deliberate target, it'll feel like we've achieved something when we get there - which we WILL.
    This will be the point - or a year later in the non-league? - when we finally get rid, and can then start the recovery.
    The recovery - a REAL recovery - isn't going to involve us finishing 14th in League One and aiming for a 'good' season to finish 11th a year later. Let's do it the only realistic way - knock the rotten building down and start afresh.
    ATB Dave

    We were in the top flight when the Berlin wall came down, & a couple of years before it did too! ;-)
  • Rob62 said:

    Remember Man City went down to League 2 a few years ago. IMO they wouldn't have recovered back to the Prem had they only gone down to League One - they needed to get as low as they could before starting afresh. It's realistic. Nobody likes the thought of another relegation, but why does it have to be permanent? Charlton is a great club and will remain a great club, and we need to be thinking realistically of getting back to the Prem.
    Remember a few years ago - it wasn't that long! - when we WERE in the Prem......a lot of people were pathetically saying "Oh well, relegation won't be that bad, if we go down we'll see us winning more and see more exciting football, and the seats'll be cheaper too." A LOT of CAFC fans were saying stooped things like that. They were getting bored in the Prem. They said that the Championship was Charlton's 'natural level' and undermined the club as it fought against the drop. Wrong. The Prem at the time we were in the Prem - and doing well in the Prem - was CAFC's natural level IMO and that's the level we should be aspiring to now. Personally I don't mind taking a short term relegation or two in order to make a return to the Prem achievable. You can only do that with a well-run club, which we're at present not.

    No they didn't, they never went below League One.
    Posted this on another thread re Man City

    When Man City went down to this league every game was a cup final for the opposition playing in front of a capacity crowd. City had an experienced ex top flight manager in Joe Royle once shortlisted as a replacement for Bobby Robson as England manager; more or less an unlimited player budget; got the best players who were prepared to play at that level; a Board of directors chaired by David Bernstein and including ex players like Dennis Tueart BUT lost to the likes of Lincoln City and Mansfield and struggled from mid table to make the play offs and only got promotion by the skin of their teeth on penalties.

    You don't get out of this league on reputation.

    Compare that with what we will be facing under this regime.
    Just looked up what players Man City had that season a few stick out - Shaun Wright-Phillips, Paul Dickov Ian Bishop, Eddie McGoldrick, Michael Brown, Shaun Goater, Nicky Weaver. Most of the rest were lesser known international players like Kevin Horlock Gerard Wiekens and Richard Edgehill.
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