I thought we'd have enough to stay up even as late as February, so would never dig someone out for misjudging events on the pitch.
But the stubbornness of the Roland apologists, the time it took for them to wake up, and the attacks made against the people who could see the problems from day one will always rile me.
From the first post: "Banging on about failed experiments and something rotten at the heart of Charlton is myopic in the extreme."
So much condescension in an assessment so emphatically wrong. Dear, dear me.
I'm mostly resigned, a little bewildered. I really don't think we can go down - like, even bearing last season in mind - and I think the Belgians have made a genuine (if still inept, slightly untruthful and above all dispassionate) attempt to turn things around on the field, but the speed at which things have gone wrong is depressingly familiar. Much like the Rotherham/Huddersfield double-whammy to really send things south last season, our last two home league games have felt like the confirmation of a shitness that given the available personnel simply shouldn't be. It points to problems deeper than recruitment (while our recruitment hasn't been ideal, I do think we're only one player short, and that player might at a push be Dijksteel or RCC). A change of manager is now essential for ANY promotion challenge to materialise - and such is the broken confidence of the players I'd say it's essential even if our ambitions have altered. I do think that we need to shake up the team and deploy a formation that caters to our available players. I'd seriously think about giving Euell a crack at it - the crowd has turned, and much as we ought to get behind them no matter what, we're not being given much cause for enthusiasm at present.
Of course, all of this is up to Roland and Katrien, and for all the talk of what I'd do, they've shown themselves perfectly capable of doing the wrong thing. My fear is that Slade will stay too long, surviving on the ineptitude of our opposition, and the chance to give us a bit of pep and spirit will pass by. The crowd will become more disenchanted and any attempts to enjoy watching Charlton will seem increasingly fruitless.
Of course, if we go down this time, even considering the difficult reality of modern football, then I might concede that CARD were right about everything
Interesting points, Leuth. I'm struggling to work out the regime picked an English manager because they genuinely wanted to turn stuff around or if they did it so that they could say they'd done what we had been asking for and then claim that it hasn't worked and "I told you so"? I find it hard to understand what their motivation or purpose is. Yes they are utterly inept, but are they, underneath it all, genuinely trying (and spectacularly failing) to get a sustainable club or are they being stubbornly horrible and are looking to bleed the club dry and liquidate the assets? Whatever the answer the fortunes of the club are nose diving and if they don't sell up and cut their current losses they will only be able to make some form of profit by selling all the assets off and killing the club.
We've learnt our lessons from the league one relegation campaign and accept that the wrong managerial appointments were made. We tried with Russell but it wasn't to be and when Jose Riga came in, the damage was already done. However we remain committed to getting this club back to where it belongs and are confident that Nobby has a top 3 budget for league two and we absolutely hope to win promotion.
We've learnt our lessons from the league one relegation campaign and accept that the wrong managerial appointments were made. We tried with Russell but it wasn't to be and when Jose Riga came in, the damage was already done. However we remain committed to getting this club back to where it belongs and are confident that Nobby has a top 3 budget for league two and we absolutely hope to win promotion.
Interesting points, Leuth. I'm struggling to work out the regime picked an English manager because they genuinely wanted to turn stuff around or if they did it so that they could say they'd done what we had been asking for and then claim that it hasn't worked and "I told you so"? I find it hard to understand what their motivation or purpose is. Yes they are utterly inept, but are they, underneath it all, genuinely trying (and spectacularly failing) to get a sustainable club or are they being stubbornly horrible and are looking to bleed the club dry and liquidate the assets? Whatever the answer the fortunes of the club are nose diving and if they don't sell up and cut their current losses they will only be able to make some form of profit by selling all the assets off and killing the club.
I firmly believe they were/are genuinely trying a new approach - it just their bad luck that it isn't working. I don't buy the idea that there is some evil Machiavellian plot afoot in appointing an experienced English Manager and then to back him in his choice of English players just so that they can see him fail....
"I really don't think we can go down." Sorry Leuth but that's the direction of travel. Why can't we go down? Blackpool managed it and they were in the PL more recently than us. We have all the ingredients of a relegation campaign. Just like last season, the writing was on the wall depressingly early in the season and we are fairing worse than this time last year.
Interesting points, Leuth. I'm struggling to work out the regime picked an English manager because they genuinely wanted to turn stuff around or if they did it so that they could say they'd done what we had been asking for and then claim that it hasn't worked and "I told you so"? I find it hard to understand what their motivation or purpose is. Yes they are utterly inept, but are they, underneath it all, genuinely trying (and spectacularly failing) to get a sustainable club or are they being stubbornly horrible and are looking to bleed the club dry and liquidate the assets? Whatever the answer the fortunes of the club are nose diving and if they don't sell up and cut their current losses they will only be able to make some form of profit by selling all the assets off and killing the club.
I firmly believe they were/are genuinely trying a new approach - it just their bad luck that it isn't working. I don't buy the idea that there is some evil Machiavellian plot afoot in appointing an experienced English Manager and then to back him in his choice of English players just so that they can see him fail....
Which part of the board and senior management being unfit for purpose are you missing? It doesn't matter what approach they try, the club is being led by a group of people who do not have the professional background, experience or ability to succeed. Russell Slade is outside that group, but he will be undermined by it.
Leuth is right. He says "It points to problems deeper than recruitment". Many of us have known this for a long time. Right at the top of the club; the owner, the CEO, most of the SMT. These are the guilty parties.
Interesting points, Leuth. I'm struggling to work out the regime picked an English manager because they genuinely wanted to turn stuff around or if they did it so that they could say they'd done what we had been asking for and then claim that it hasn't worked and "I told you so"? I find it hard to understand what their motivation or purpose is. Yes they are utterly inept, but are they, underneath it all, genuinely trying (and spectacularly failing) to get a sustainable club or are they being stubbornly horrible and are looking to bleed the club dry and liquidate the assets? Whatever the answer the fortunes of the club are nose diving and if they don't sell up and cut their current losses they will only be able to make some form of profit by selling all the assets off and killing the club.
I firmly believe they were/are genuinely trying a new approach - it just their bad luck that it isn't working. I don't buy the idea that there is some evil Machiavellian plot afoot in appointing an experienced English Manager and then to back him in his choice of English players just so that they can see him fail....
It's just our bad luck that they are here, in the first place.
We'll be fine this season. And by fine I mean finish 18th or higher. We are too far away from relegation and will not lose every game from now till May.
Next season? I think unless the ownership changes we will go down. It's the usual pattern of the inept fools running our club. They begin by underestimating the division. (And to be fair, it is crap so it's not difficult to underestimate). They carry on by thinking they can skimp on players and put more academy kids in the shop window.
Before you can say Congo Chris they've fired the manager for failing to deal with their underestimation of the situation and hired someone with no experience to take us lower.
The trip to Belgium really is a fight for our club. Some people will still continue to go and think Roland is fine and he's learned and why can't we all just get along. These people will not even notice when Welling move above us in the 2022 season and will still parrot the nonsense that the regime has learned its lessons as they play out drab games in front of 2000 at a windswept Valley. How attractive is a conference level academy, Roland?
Bookmark this and remind me at the end of the season if you like. Just needs a couple of good results. The ones we stuffed up were the home games, and they weren't without their share of bad luck. When Makienok, Ceballos and (lol) Reza come back, we'll see what we're really made of.
Banging on about failed experiments and something rotten at the heart of Charlton is myopic in the extreme.
@Leuth I never realised you used to be such an apologist for Roland and Katrien. That reads like a post from that other forum.
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Oh and there was no censorship anyway......they said so.
But the stubbornness of the Roland apologists, the time it took for them to wake up, and the attacks made against the people who could see the problems from day one will always rile me.
From the first post: "Banging on about failed experiments and something rotten at the heart of Charlton is myopic in the extreme."
So much condescension in an assessment so emphatically wrong. Dear, dear me.
How do you see things now? ( genuine question)
Of course, all of this is up to Roland and Katrien, and for all the talk of what I'd do, they've shown themselves perfectly capable of doing the wrong thing. My fear is that Slade will stay too long, surviving on the ineptitude of our opposition, and the chance to give us a bit of pep and spirit will pass by. The crowd will become more disenchanted and any attempts to enjoy watching Charlton will seem increasingly fruitless.
Of course, if we go down this time, even considering the difficult reality of modern football, then I might concede that CARD were right about everything
Whatever the answer the fortunes of the club are nose diving and if they don't sell up and cut their current losses they will only be able to make some form of profit by selling all the assets off and killing the club.
We've learnt our lessons from the league one relegation campaign and accept that the wrong managerial appointments were made. We tried with Russell but it wasn't to be and when Jose Riga came in, the damage was already done. However we remain committed to getting this club back to where it belongs and are confident that Nobby has a top 3 budget for league two and we absolutely hope to win promotion.
Katrien - August 2017.
It's just our bad luck that they are here, in the first place.
Next season? I think unless the ownership changes we will go down. It's the usual pattern of the inept fools running our club. They begin by underestimating the division. (And to be fair, it is crap so it's not difficult to underestimate). They carry on by thinking they can skimp on players and put more academy kids in the shop window.
Before you can say Congo Chris they've fired the manager for failing to deal with their underestimation of the situation and hired someone with no experience to take us lower.
The trip to Belgium really is a fight for our club. Some people will still continue to go and think Roland is fine and he's learned and why can't we all just get along. These people will not even notice when Welling move above us in the 2022 season and will still parrot the nonsense that the regime has learned its lessons as they play out drab games in front of 2000 at a windswept Valley. How attractive is a conference level academy, Roland?