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Article on the recent 'racism' issues and response to it.

Nice to read this refreshing view in the mainstream media for a change. I think he makes very valid points.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html

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  • edited February 2015
    I dont see any issue with the condemning of racism, but stereotypes should be avoided whether they are racial or in relation to people who share the same hobby.

    I just wish the reaction and calls for punishment were equally prolonged and severe when there next are Spanish fans blacking up and chucking bananas, or portions of eastern European crowds engaging in similar activities.
  • that's an excellent piece
  • Or Islamic extremists burning poppies on the streets of London
  • Nice to read this refreshing view in the mainstream media for a change. I think he makes very valid points.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html

    From the article:

    “Within hours of the Metro footage breaking on Sky News, it emerged one of the protagonists, Josh Parsons, had previously posed for a selfie with Nigel Farage. The snobs, champagne socialists and Guardianistas went into a state of near-orgasmic piety: this was all the “proof” they needed that all white, working-class football fans are intrinsically racist”.

    From the Mail:

    “Former public schoolboy Josh Parsons, 20, was named on Twitter as one of the men standing in the carriage where a group shoved a black man off a Paris train......

    Mr Parsons, of Dorking, Surrey, attended £30,000-a-year Millfield School and works as an assistant at the Mayfair financial services firm The Business and Commercial Finance Club”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2959280/Former-public-schoolboy-season-ticket-holder-one-fans-train-racist-football-thugs-claims-friend-Twitter.html

  • What is your point Micks?

    The fact the Mail have gone down the 'good turned bad' line in the individual case with the public school boy, does not, in my opinion, change the overall point being made by the Telegraph article.
  • The main point of the article still stands imo
  • The authors trying pretty hard to find a way to be offended isn't he ?
  • edited February 2015
    se9addick said:

    The authors trying pretty hard to find a way to be offended isn't he ?

    Natural Guardian reader by the sounds of it.

    ;0)
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  • cafcfan said:

    It's interesting, I think, that such events, one of which took place outside the jurisdiction, seem to merit the full, no expense spared, expertise of our finest police force, the BTP. (No, I don't know why they are a separate entity either. Or why they are misnamed - it should be train police not transport.)

    Meanwhile other matters, like the Rotherham scandal involving the sexual abuse of over 1400 young people got completely neglected by the plod. Priorities and all that.

    THIS exactly .. and the panic engendered and Police time devoted to three muslim gals running off on an ill considered adventure to the middle east .. racism is abhorrent, white on black as well as black on white, brown on yellow, whatever .. BUT .. surely there are other equally important (or more so) things for the Police to spend their valuable time on .. what role have the new Crime 'commissioners' having in all this ? .. are PC (not police constable but the other one) policies more vote catching than (what I would consider to be) real policing ?.
  • edited February 2015

    se9addick said:

    The authors trying pretty hard to find a way to be offended isn't he ?

    Natural Guardian reader by the sounds of it.

    ;0)
    I think it just shows that there are elements across the political divide that look for any excuse to moan about media bias and claim to be victims.

    As a white working class man I do not in the slightest think that the whole of scociety thinks my demographic is represented by idiot Chelsea fans.
  • Some of the comments are hilarious - the one who thinks the Telegraph is liberal - what a bell...
  • edited February 2015
    micks1950 said:

    What is your point Micks?

    The fact the Mail have gone down the 'good turned bad' line in the individual case with the public school boy, does not, in my opinion, change the overall point being made by the Telegraph article.

    I'm surprised I need to spell it out for you?

    The Telegraph article that you believe makes “makes very valid points” is sub-headed “The online reaction to last week's racist incident involving Chelsea supporters revealed another unpleasant truth: white working-class men are the most hated people in Britain, says Martin Daubney”

    The article then used the words 'working-class' eight times (including in relation to “Josh Parsons [who] had previously posed for a selfie with Nigel Farage”) and concludes that “The Chelsea racist incident didn’t just expose racism. It shone a light on something equally ugly, too: a class snobbery from a self-appointed intelligentsia who have a deep-rooted hatred of white, working-class men”.

    Yet Parsons (who Daubney hangs his rant against “snobs, champagne socialists and Guardianistas” on) is not 'working-class'. He is a “Former public schoolboy [who] attended £30,000-a-year Millfield School and works as an assistant at the Mayfair financial services firm The Business and Commercial Finance Club”. And it's not unreasonable to assume that some of the others on the train with him are his 'mates' and possibly not 'working-class' either.

    So it not a case of the Mail going “down the 'good turned bad' line in the individual case”. This 'individual case' is what the whole Telegraph article bases itself on - there is no mention of any other Chelsea fans involved with different backgrounds. The Telegraph article was posted on February 25th yet the Mail reported Parsons' middle class background on February 18th (and the Guardian informed 'Guardianistas' about him on the February 19th) but a week later Daubney either doesn't know this or chooses not to mention it as it might undermine his claim of “class snobbery from a self-appointed intelligentsia who have a deep-rooted hatred of white, working-class men”.
    I know what you're saying Mick. But Irrespective of the facts of that one lad or one incident in isolation, I still think the fundamental message he is portraying stands and the communication of it from someone in the media is long overdue.
  • edited February 2015
    cafcfan said:

    It's interesting, I think, that such events, one of which took place outside the jurisdiction, seem to merit the full, no expense spared, expertise of our finest police force, the BTP. (No, I don't know why they are a separate entity either. Or why they are misnamed - it should be train police not transport.)

    Meanwhile other matters, like the Rotherham scandal involving the sexual abuse of over 1400 young people got completely neglected by the plod. Priorities and all that.

    Oh dear, trainspotting howler here! They also police metros, trams, light railways, underground rail and even the Emirates AirLine! They also have jurisdiction to enter infrastructure relating to trains such as maintenance sheds, yards and anywhere with a track.

    are you a millwall fan in disguise
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