Is Fox still here. Shit with a capital S. Cost us at least 15 goals last season. Just pay up his contract and get rid. One of the worst players I have seen in my 45 years supporting but to be fair there have been a few of those over the years.
Is Fox still here. Shit with a capital S. Cost us at least 15 goals last season. Just pay up his contract and get rid. One of the worst players I have seen in my 45 years supporting but to be fair there have been a few of those over the years.
I think someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
Is Fox still here. Shit with a capital S. Cost us at least 15 goals last season. Just pay up his contract and get rid. One of the worst players I have seen in my 45 years supporting but to be fair there have been a few of those over the years.
That's your opinion. I don't recall a 22 year old, playing in a worse Charlton team, in my 51 years of supporting. ..
The improvement in Pope and Fox after January were the only plus points of the last season.
Fox needs to continue to improve in div 1.
He broke through in 13/14 and did fairly well. Not great but did a job and looked like he could improve with games.
In the last two seasons have been similar in that he's not played well for the whole season, he had a good run and another in which he struggled.
He's shown he can do it, it's really about doing it more consistently, over a longer run of games.
Having a stronger team, less managerial changes and more reliable, experienced players around him will make a difference.
You can't blame other players for his form but all players look better alongside a settled starting 11 and a good manager. At times Sarr and Lennon were our centre backs, or we had THD/Bergdich playing left midfield. Four players that had no experience in the Championship.
They are some of the reasons players like Francis and McCormack have done well for other clubs at higher levels than the league they struggled in for us. Parkinson always had us challenging for at least the play-offs while in League One but they were two players he clearly didn't get the best out of. They joined clubs that were on the up, had roles that suited them and that got much more out of them.
I don't see a Premier League player in Fox and he may end up playing much of his career in League One. Should a Championship team sign him though I won't be surprised if he does well and continues playing at that level.
Chris Solly has always had the advantage of being a good Defender, also good at going forwards yet would have the protection of Gudmundsson / Wilson who could put shifts in
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
Chris Solly has always had the advantage of being a good Defender, also good at going forwards yet would have the protection of Gudmundsson / Wilson who could put shifts in
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
It's not just about the protection of a midfielder running back. It's also about the ability of the midfielder to get forward, get the team higher up the pitch and shift the balance of play. But the full-back has to show intent to attack as well and there long periods last season when neither Fox or Solly had the legs to get forward enough. Probably the best we looked was when we had Motta playing high, Gudmonsson higher and Fanni covering the right side.
Is Fox still here. Shit with a capital S. Cost us at least 15 goals last season. Just pay up his contract and get rid. One of the worst players I have seen in my 45 years supporting but to be fair there have been a few of those over the years.
Did you just catch him with his trousers down in your bedroom?
The owners cost a hell of a lot more goals than that last season - both in terms of conceding and not scoring.
Showed the best piece of skill in the whole of the first half today.
Hard for some of you to believe, I know, but was about 5 yards in front of me...
What did he do?
To be fair, he was one of the few players I actually recognised. I know that says more about me, but if I didn't know we were in red I would've been struggling.
Showed the best piece of skill in the whole of the first half today.
Hard for some of you to believe, I know, but was about 5 yards in front of me...
Running down the left side, stood on the ball, fell over, the ball clipped his right foot and found a red shirt.
Seriously, I know he's not everybodies cup of team, but I want him to stay this season. He can't be that bad if a championship club wants him - managed by a former defender. Perhaps a move is what the player needs in order to progress.
A full season at League 1 level will do Fox a lot of good I think, and it says a lot about him that he improved towards the end of last season in some pretty dire circumstances - and also despite being constantly dug out by the fans all season (not all fans, but a lot of them).
Chris Solly has always had the advantage of being a good Defender, also good at going forwards yet would have the protection of Gudmundsson / Wilson who could put shifts in
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
It's not just about the protection of a midfielder running back. It's also about the ability of the midfielder to get forward, get the team higher up the pitch and shift the balance of play. But the full-back has to show intent to attack as well and there long periods last season when neither Fox or Solly had the legs to get forward enough. Probably the best we looked was when we had Motta playing high, Gudmonsson higher and Fanni covering the right side.
People seem to often forget that a player is playing to instructions.
Because of team formations or the roles of others, the manager may well be telling Fox he is the defender to sit and hold, allowing Solly to overlap on the other side or more creative players to get forward.
If that's the case, Fox will get bollocked by his manager if he breaks the game plan and gets forward when told his job is to sit. But some fans won't know that and will give Fox dog's abuse when he hasn't overlapped.
Chris Solly has always had the advantage of being a good Defender, also good at going forwards yet would have the protection of Gudmundsson / Wilson who could put shifts in
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
It's not just about the protection of a midfielder running back. It's also about the ability of the midfielder to get forward, get the team higher up the pitch and shift the balance of play. But the full-back has to show intent to attack as well and there long periods last season when neither Fox or Solly had the legs to get forward enough. Probably the best we looked was when we had Motta playing high, Gudmonsson higher and Fanni covering the right side.
People seem to often forget that a player is playing to instructions.
Because of team formations or the roles of others, the manager may well be telling Fox he is the defender to sit and hold, allowing Solly to overlap on the other side or more creative players to get forward.
If that's the case, Fox will get bollocked by his manager if he breaks the game plan and gets forward when told his job is to sit. But some fans won't know that and will give Fox dog's abuse when he hasn't overlapped.
But then shouldn't Fox also be listening to the fan who shouts FORWARDS!!
Chris Solly has always had the advantage of being a good Defender, also good at going forwards yet would have the protection of Gudmundsson / Wilson who could put shifts in
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
It's not just about the protection of a midfielder running back. It's also about the ability of the midfielder to get forward, get the team higher up the pitch and shift the balance of play. But the full-back has to show intent to attack as well and there long periods last season when neither Fox or Solly had the legs to get forward enough. Probably the best we looked was when we had Motta playing high, Gudmonsson higher and Fanni covering the right side.
People seem to often forget that a player is playing to instructions.
Because of team formations or the roles of others, the manager may well be telling Fox he is the defender to sit and hold, allowing Solly to overlap on the other side or more creative players to get forward.
If that's the case, Fox will get bollocked by his manager if he breaks the game plan and gets forward when told his job is to sit. But some fans won't know that and will give Fox dog's abuse when he hasn't overlapped.
But then shouldn't Fox also be listening to the fan who shouts FORWARDS!!
What, when being overrun by our lack of midfielders and anyone tracking back?.
Morgan came into the side when we were crap but well organised under Powell. At first his passing was great he often showed for the ball when no one else did, and hit great diagonals. Later and with other managers and cds who were less organised he suffered. But did he collapse and dtop trying? No. Other players with talent like Simon Francis and Jamie Stuart did: orobably in better teams for the division they were playing in.
I'm hoping he'll have a great season this year. Good luck Morgan.
Dare I say it, Morgan Fox was better last season than Solly.
Solly was tenacious but he blocks far fewer crosses into the box than Fox.
Solly isn't as good a crosser wither.
Solly however does cause mistakes he closes down better, he nips at the oppositions ankles like a rabid jack russell.
You are joking right?
Firstly, one of Solly's strengths is that he doesn't get beat by the winger, therefore blocking or defending well before he can even put in a cross.
I lost count of the amount of times Fox got beaten by the winger for him not to recover and before you know it, the ball has been crossed, taking him out the game.
Not to mention there would be at least 2/3 times every match where Fox crosses the ball into the stands, Solly is more controlled with his crosses than Fox.
You could argue that statistically, Fox may block more crosses, but that would be because opposition teams target his side more than Solly's, therefore the more crosses they put in the box on his side, the more he should block.
I'm not digging him out, I genuinely believe he could have a very good season in League One, the fact he won't be coming up against many brilliant wingers will help his game develop as he gains confidence.
Just a couple of your points had to be a joke, surely?
Dare I say it, Morgan Fox was better last season than Solly.
Solly was tenacious but he blocks far fewer crosses into the box than Fox.
Solly isn't as good a crosser wither.
Solly however does cause mistakes he closes down better, he nips at the oppositions ankles like a rabid jack russell.
You are joking right?
Firstly, one of Solly's strengths is that he doesn't get beat by the winger, therefore blocking or defending well before he can even put in a cross.
I lost count of the amount of times Fox got beaten by the winger for him not to recover and before you know it, the ball has been crossed, taking him out the game.
Not to mention there would be at least 2/3 times every match where Fox crosses the ball into the stands, Solly is more controlled with his crosses than Fox.
You could argue that statistically, Fox may block more crosses, but that would be because opposition teams target his side more than Solly's, therefore the more crosses they put in the box on his side, the more he should block.
I'm not digging him out, I genuinely believe he could have a very good season in League One, the fact he won't be coming up against many brilliant wingers will help his game develop as he gains confidence.
Just a couple of your points had to be a joke, surely?
None were a joke.
They may have been over simplified points but Fox had some great games last season.
Granted I didn't get to as many games as most on here, but Fox is definitely put down a lot because he isn't a left footed Solly.
When a winger does pass Solly the block rarely occurs.
Fox does stand off the winger which isn't great but he does get a block in maybe a third to a half of the time when the winger beats him.
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I think someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
In the last two seasons have been similar in that he's not played well for the whole season, he had a good run and another in which he struggled.
He's shown he can do it, it's really about doing it more consistently, over a longer run of games.
Having a stronger team, less managerial changes and more reliable, experienced players around him will make a difference.
You can't blame other players for his form but all players look better alongside a settled starting 11 and a good manager. At times Sarr and Lennon were our centre backs, or we had THD/Bergdich playing left midfield. Four players that had no experience in the Championship.
They are some of the reasons players like Francis and McCormack have done well for other clubs at higher levels than the league they struggled in for us. Parkinson always had us challenging for at least the play-offs while in League One but they were two players he clearly didn't get the best out of. They joined clubs that were on the up, had roles that suited them and that got much more out of them.
I don't see a Premier League player in Fox and he may end up playing much of his career in League One. Should a Championship team sign him though I won't be surprised if he does well and continues playing at that level.
Morgan Fox is a good Defender yet often has to deal with both the opposition Winger and Full-Back because the likes of Harriott / Bergdich etc. arent good Defensively... Means that Fox can't get forward often enough because it means our defence is left open and exposed, funnily when he had Bulot in front of him he was at his best because he had that protection himself!!
The owners cost a hell of a lot more goals than that last season - both in terms of conceding and not scoring.
Hard for some of you to believe, I know, but was about 5 yards in front of me...
To be fair, he was one of the few players I actually recognised. I know that says more about me, but if I didn't know we were in red I would've been struggling.
Seriously, I know he's not everybodies cup of team, but I want him to stay this season. He can't be that bad if a championship club wants him - managed by a former defender. Perhaps a move is what the player needs in order to progress.
Solly was tenacious but he blocks far fewer crosses into the box than Fox.
Solly isn't as good a crosser wither.
Solly however does cause mistakes he closes down better, he nips at the oppositions ankles like a rabid jack russell.
Because of team formations or the roles of others, the manager may well be telling Fox he is the defender to sit and hold, allowing Solly to overlap on the other side or more creative players to get forward.
If that's the case, Fox will get bollocked by his manager if he breaks the game plan and gets forward when told his job is to sit.
But some fans won't know that and will give Fox dog's abuse when he hasn't overlapped.
I'm hoping he'll have a great season this year. Good luck Morgan.
Firstly, one of Solly's strengths is that he doesn't get beat by the winger, therefore blocking or defending well before he can even put in a cross.
I lost count of the amount of times Fox got beaten by the winger for him not to recover and before you know it, the ball has been crossed, taking him out the game.
Not to mention there would be at least 2/3 times every match where Fox crosses the ball into the stands, Solly is more controlled with his crosses than Fox.
You could argue that statistically, Fox may block more crosses, but that would be because opposition teams target his side more than Solly's, therefore the more crosses they put in the box on his side, the more he should block.
I'm not digging him out, I genuinely believe he could have a very good season in League One, the fact he won't be coming up against many brilliant wingers will help his game develop as he gains confidence.
Just a couple of your points had to be a joke, surely?
They may have been over simplified points but Fox had some great games last season.
Granted I didn't get to as many games as most on here, but Fox is definitely put down a lot because he isn't a left footed Solly.
When a winger does pass Solly the block rarely occurs.
Fox does stand off the winger which isn't great but he does get a block in maybe a third to a half of the time when the winger beats him.
You even admit Solly is less tested than Fox