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Police appeal following attack in Charlton

LurkerLurker
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Not sure if this should be posted on here but I think people should be aware - not sure if it's been mentioned before. Very close to home this, I'll be getting my girlfriend to get a cab home from any nights out in future.

Honestly can't believe this has happened in such an open place - I've often staggered drunk down that road and there's always cars going past. Just sickening.

http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2014-07-18/young-woman-walking-home-after-a-night-out-is-raped-and-robbed-at-a-south-london-bus-stop/
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    Charlton_StuCharlton_Stu
    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.
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    JarmanJarman
    Cowards.
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    kentaddickkentaddick
    edited July 2014
    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
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    Stu_of_KunmingStu_of_Kunming
    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?
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    Plumstead_MickyPlumstead_Micky
    Jarman said:

    Cowards.

    scum more like.
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    cafcsingercafcsinger
    Sickening that, absolute scum.
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    charltonkestoncharltonkeston
    edited July 2014
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?
    I think we are just a little more aware now days.

    These "people" need to be caught and removed from the rest of us. Might be with modern policing methods the scum are caught and delt with quickly.
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    Charlton_StuCharlton_Stu
    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    What i meant was, that there are so many of these types of crimes and stabbings in broad daylight and busy areas, it's like the cowards/scum don't seem to care if their seen or not.

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    redlaneredredlanered
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?
    Not really Stu. The best evidence for this comes from hospital A&E admissions, which show a consistent fall in numbers of people coming in with injuries caused by violence, etc. Hospitals have no motive for pretending that fewer people come in to A&E with injuries caused by violence, etc. (if anything, they would want to keep emphasising how busy/stretched they are). And there's no reason to believe people are less likely to seek hospital treatment.

    This doesn't make incidents like this any less sickening or traumatic for those affected, of course.
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    kentaddickkentaddick
    edited July 2014
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?
    not at all, you can't skew figures of 71% or more in some western cities.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html

    There's actually a theory that removing lead from petrol has led to this drop as violent crime started falling just after unleaded petrol was introduced. in the USA alone crime generally has fallen to levels last seen around the 1960s

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27067615
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    HuskarisHuskaris
    kentaddick said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    Or just people are getting better at skewing figures?
    not at all, you can't skew figures of 71% or more in some western cities.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html

    There's actually a theory that removing lead from petrol has led to this drop as violent crime started falling just after unleaded petrol was introduced. in the USA alone crime generally has fallen to levels last seen around the 1960s

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27067615
    I think you will find reform of abortion laws would have caused this rather than lead in fuel.
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    BrusselsAddickBrusselsAddick
    Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.
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    ForeverAddicktedForeverAddickted
    BrusselsAddick said:

    Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.

    I've always lived in Bexleyheath but my Mum and Dad are originally from Woolwich / Plumstead / Abbey Wood area - Me and my Mum both travel to Woolwich Arsenal on the Bus and get the DLR to work (her to Bank.. me to Stratford) and the other day she was discussing the area around Lakedale Road and how nice it used to be etc...

    Just turned round and said... "Mum based on the area now (as we went past).. stop talking about it as you'll only depress yourself"
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    VincenzoVincenzo
    BrusselsAddick said:

    Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.

    That's b*ll*cks.

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    BedsaddickBedsaddick
    Vincenzo said:

    BrusselsAddick said:

    Sad sign of the times. Speaking as someone who worked in the Greenwich/Woolwich area in the 80s, I go back there now and barely recognise the place. It has absolutely gone to the dogs.

    That's b*ll*cks.

    I lived in Woolwich and Plumstead in the 70's and early 80's and I agree with BrusselsAddick. In fact I think saying it has gone to the dogs is being kind.
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    kentaddickkentaddick
    People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.

    The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.
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    kentaddickkentaddick
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    kentaddick said:

    People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.

    The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.

    Compared to Bexley, Woolwich is a shithole. I'm not being a Daily Mail reader here, I'm being honest.
    was it ever not one? I mean reaaaally?
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    Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    kentaddick said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    kentaddick said:

    People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.

    The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.

    Compared to Bexley, Woolwich is a shithole. I'm not being a Daily Mail reader here, I'm being honest.
    was it ever not one? I mean reaaaally?
    It was nice once. It has gone downhill though for many different reasons.
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    RedskinRedskin
    kentaddick said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Sickening, nobody is safe any where now days.

    violent crime has fallen year on year for the last 40 years across the world. The advent of the internet and 24 hour news makes you think the world is more violent and unsafe, it isn't. In fact the opposite is true.

    Still, it's always good to take precautions.
    I'm sure the young the young woman who was raped and robbed would take great comfort from that fact.

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    kentaddickkentaddick
    edited July 2014
    Covered End said:

    kentaddick said:

    People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.

    The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.

    What a pile of crap. You didn't have teenagers running round stabbing each other, on a very regular basis, 40 years ago, like you do now.

    I don't recall too many people being beheaded either !
    statistics don't lie! Nahh, back then you had people leaving car bombs around or blowing up bins for "irish independence", riots in brixton, power cuts every week. oh how i wish we were back to those golden days!

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110218135832/http:/rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/crime-statistics-independent-review-06.pdf

    "1.7 The trend in crime increased at a particularly steep rate between the 1970s and mid 1990s"
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    edited July 2014
    Covered End said:

    kentaddick said:

    People who say x area/the country is going to the dogs need to put down their daily mail and get out the house. This country wasn't ever that great, the only difference now is that there's different people, different jobs and different ethnicities in these areas. Some/most people are terrified of change and anything different they fear or say it's worse than it was.

    The world keeps turning and changing, move along with it or get left behind.

    What a pile of crap. You didn't have teenagers running round stabbing each other, on a very regular basis, 40 years ago, like you do now.

    I don't recall too many people being beheaded either !
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature

    Pinker makes the argument that overall violence is declining. You'll have to read the book to see if you agree or disagree but he does have some statistics.

    I tend to agree with what KentAddick is trying to say although I don't think he is doing his argument any favours the way he is putting it (yes, I know that's me saying that)

    It is true someone was beheaded in Woolwich and that was terrible, on that we all agree. However 40 years (November 1974) ago two people were killed when a bomb was thrown into the Kings Arms, Woolwich. So there was violence then as now. Certainly Woolwich was a rough and violent place when I grew up nearby in the 70s and from the stories my dad told it was more violent in the 30s (Squaddies, Sailors and locals fighting in the streets, Horse Artillery men using the spurs on their boots on their opponents once they went down.

    However, what matters now is that poor woman being helped to re-build her life and the three pieces of scum who did it getting caught and severely punished.

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    AddicktedAddickted
    edited July 2014
    Bromley has gone to the dogs.

    image

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    Covered EndCovered End
    edited July 2014
    Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.

    So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.

    Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
    I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.

    Jimmy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.

    No way were there stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.

    Why are we having football against knife crime initiatives, if it's decreasing ?

    Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.

    If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
    If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    edited July 2014
    Covered End said:

    Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.

    So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.

    Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
    I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.
    J
    immy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.

    No way was their stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.

    Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.

    If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
    If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?

    I agree about the use of knives but that did still happened and people getting "bottled" or "glassed" was a lot more common then. That has reduced, in part because of plastic glasses and part because pubs are fewer and different places to drink.

    The stats about lower numbers of people reporting to A & E with injuries caused by violence suggest that while crime may or may not be reported the actual incidences of such violence are going down.

    Politics and trade disputes are also much less violent (other than some fringe groups like the EDLv Anti-fascists) than they were 40 years ago. The miners strike was very violent (orgrave) as were some demos such as Lewisham, Grunwig, etc etc that I recall. Mosley's fascist were violently opposed in the streets in the thirties and got chased out of Woolwich (again very violently according to my dad who was very much involved) in the 50s. Those things were almost taken for granted then but would be seen as shocking now.
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    Norfolk_AddickNorfolk_Addick
    Covered End said:


    If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
    If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?

    Well what do you expect with that attitude.
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    kentaddickkentaddick
    Covered End said:

    Violence has changed IMO. Back in the 70's it was more a case of you knew where it was more LIKELY to be and you had more chance of avoiding it.

    So football hooligans, could be avoided. Lewisham riots could be avoided. Brixton riots could be avoided, unless you lived there.

    Ok, if you was in Woolwich late at night, you might get jumped or mugged, (I did), but there wasn't so many stabbings.
    I think someone was stabbed in Woolwich a couple of weeks ago.

    Jimmy Mizzen, Robbie Knox et al RIP to them.

    No way were there stabbings like there are now & that's my point. Murders of "kids" by "kids", in Lee, Sidcup.

    Why are we having football against knife crime initiatives, if it's decreasing ?

    Additionally, a lot of crimes are now unreported, because many police stations have closed and the police don't even bother investigating many crimes, so what's the point. No one can say how many go unreported, for obvious reasons.

    If my car was broken into, the only reason I may report it would be for insurance purposes.
    If I was mugged, would I report it ? Probably not. Car number plates were stolen. Did I report it, no, what's the point ?

    So no one ever got raped or mugged before the modern era? I'm sure they were just looking for it though since they knew where it had come from.

    As I said, 24 hour news channels and the internet news has made people like you think there's no escape from crime. Crime hasn't changed, it's just you know of more crimes because it's thrown in your face every day.

    If you don't report crime, however petty you think it is then you're part of the problem.
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    Covered EndCovered End
    kent, I'll leave it there. It's not worth debating with you, when you spin what I'm saying.
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