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I think any reasonable person will understand AFKA's stance over THE RECENT EVENT even if they disagree with it.

It has evolved into an unfortunate fact that many threads (not just political ones hence I'm not all together sure why they have been singled out) are ruined or diminished because of the abusive nature of a minority of ill mannered cyber warriors towards other posters who disagree with their viewpoint.

Defining "the line" is difficult because one of the undoubted attractions of this forum, in my view, is the spontaneous wit and interchanges of banter that take place and I for one certainly wouldn't want to lose that but the "don't go if you don't like it" "piss off then" or worse nature of some rejoinders has become tiresome to the point that I wonder whether it is worth bothering posting here at all or at the very least just stick to Kent cricket or something like that!

In the next breath I think why the hell should a minority, and it IS a minority, of cyber warriors spoil it for the rest of us and I decide to carry on regardless.

I accept that you need broad shoulders to post anywhere and that any discussion inevitably involves agreement and disagreement but it is how that is expressed which is so important.

Am I just an old git in the wilderness bemoaning declining standards whilst brandishing the Daily Mail I don't read or do others also feel like me?

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  • edited April 2013
    P*ss off to another forum if you don't like it ;)
  • Its the same posters everytime.
    I wonder if they speak to their family,friends or work mates in a simular manner. I think not as no one could go through life with such poor manners.
  • agree totally
  • I blame the youngsters
  • Bloody kids
  • It's all fuelled by cocaine.
  • edited April 2013
    Logic, courtesy & rationale seem to go out of the window and are replaced by rudeness and anger , maybe a reflection of our times?
  • A Sun journalist has just swabbed the CL toilets and found copious amounts of crack on the cisterns so SE10 is right.
  • Agreed.


    I blame thatcher


    ;)
  • what I want to know is if those inconsiderate enough to stand at games post on CL whilst standing?
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  • I think there is also a minority of posters who post contentious or provocative statements with the addition of "I expect the usual idiots will disagree..." and then question the right of anyone who doesnt agree with them to do anything other than toe the line. I try to screen threads that I know are going to make me want to get into a row over some piece of nonsense. Sometimes I succeed.
  • LenGlover said:

    I think any reasonable person will understand AFKA's stance over THE RECENT EVENT even if they disagree with it.

    It has evolved into an unfortunate fact that many threads (not just political ones hence I'm not all together sure why they have been singled out) are ruined or diminished because of the abusive nature of a minority of ill mannered cyber warriors towards other posters who disagree with their viewpoint.

    Defining "the line" is difficult because one of the undoubted attractions of this forum, in my view, is the spontaneous wit and interchanges of banter that take place and I for one certainly wouldn't want to lose that but the "don't go if you don't like it" "piss off then" or worse nature of some rejoinders has become tiresome to the point that I wonder whether it is worth bothering posting here at all or at the very least just stick to Kent cricket or something like that!

    In the next breath I think why the hell should a minority, and it IS a minority, of cyber warriors spoil it for the rest of us and I decide to carry on regardless.

    I accept that you need broad shoulders to post anywhere and that any discussion inevitably involves agreement and disagreement but it is how that is expressed which is so important.

    Am I just an old git in the wilderness bemoaning declining standards whilst brandishing the Daily Mail I don't read or do others also feel like me?

    The problem is "reasonable people" is subjective and differs greatly. There are strongly held opposite opinions held by those on here and I think that one of the sadnesses of the internet is that a lot of people have come to believe that debate just consists of shouting people down or being personally nasty.

    I don't know how this can be changed but as I wander another part of the wilderness brandishing The Guardian I share your despair.
  • Threads like this are as pointless as the threads they are complaning about.
  • DRF said:

    Threads like this are as pointless as the threads they are complaning about.

    Possibly you are right but how do you suggest we try to improve things?
  • It isnt broken it dosnt need fixing
  • Good post Len!
  • edited April 2013
    It isnt broken it dosnt need fixing

    Sorry but I (respectfully) disagree. I think Len has raised a very pertinent point and one I was pondering myself only yesterday.


    He has taken the trouble to go out on a limb with a view that was likely to be unpopular, again, and rather than engage in a proper discussion of Len's point already the thread is being used to make sarcastic comments and dig him out in effect. That is exactly the point he was making really wasn't it?


    More and more it seems CL is becoming reflective of the general rudeness and intolerance in today's society and maybe that's to be expected. But what was once a very pleasant, interesting, informative and fun place to discuss all things CAFC and plenty else is beocming increasingly less so. These days it seems to be rapidly descending into a rush to the prove how edgy you are because the poster uses abusive or foul language in every post and some posters seem incapable of posting anything that is not snidey in nature at it's mildest.


    Why they bother is beyond me and only they know why they feel they cannot engage in a proper reasoned debate and resort to sniping from the sides .


    The answer? I don't know. AFKA's language warnings have a very short term effect it seems to me and this is where a lot of lack of respect seems to stem from e.g. it's very difficult to engage in an discussion with someone who's just referred to you as a miserable f##ker for taking a different view for instance.


    I do believe however that CL is a poorer place for the absence of female posters who tend not to indulge in the name calling and attempts to prove how big and clever you are contests.


    So in a nutshell, we need more Fannys...
  • ...also, where the blooming eck has my punctuation gone in the post above???
  • Same old bores
  • I think Len that a fair degree of context needs to be applied. This forums can sometimes get around 10,000 comments a week. Out of that amount, how many fall into the category that you highlight ? Very few.

    It will never be perfect, and people have to accept that. There will always be someone or some comment that will wind you up or offend you. The likelihood of that increases over time as your feelings towards certain posters builds and builds once you have seen something you don’t like, exactly the same way some people find difficult to change their mind on certain players.

    You do need to have a certain degree of broad shoulders, and you have to tailor your use of the forum to what suits you best. The best way to do that is to scan read. See the topics and posters you know you have time for, and concentrate on those. Scan or ignore the rest. Someone like you wouldn’t walk into a pub and straight away go and stand with the youngsters at the pool table, you’d go and find a quiet spot away from the riff raff. Forums aren’t too different when you break them down.

    That’s not to say there is no control over behaviour and its down to users to make it work for you. We moderate this forum more that the vast majority of forums, but it is important that moderators don’t overly impose themselves on a forum. Forums survive on the characters and the range of characters that use them. We encourage ‘good behaviour’ and hopefully in time will find ways of rewarding good behaviour, but if everyone was the same it would be a pretty boring place. Whether you agree or disagree with them, a Leroy or Goonerhater rant for example is all part of the fixtures and fittings. Now if everyone posted like that then we would have a problem, but they (and one or two others) probably get a bit more slack because they have earned that slack over the years and formulated a character that people ‘expect’.

    At the end of the day, users (i would hope) should be confident that they will use a forum that is actively moderated, largely provides a balanced collection of views with regards to Charlton and the wider world, no nudity or racism, and foul language is moderated down to a minimum. And within all that we hope that it can carry a big dollop of humour to help your working day go quicker, or your evenings more enjoyable.
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  • nolly said:

    Same old bores

    They all turn up right on cue
  • no nudity?

  • Im a female poster and must admit i'm a bit nervous of saying anything on here in case you all have a go at me.
  • Some people live to moan
  • Mosscat said:

    Im a female poster and must admit i'm a bit nervous of saying anything on here in case you all have a go at me.

    Don't be Mosscat, i'll look after you!

    There are lots and lots of female posters on here. You are in good company

  • Mosscat said:

    Im a female poster and must admit i'm a bit nervous of saying anything on here in case you all have a go at me.

    Get back in the kitchen love.
  • edited April 2013
    Mosscat said:

    Im a female poster and must admit i'm a bit nervous of saying anything on here in case you all have a go at me.

    Hello Mosscat. I am a woman (of sorts).

    Anyway i find its best to come on here after a few glasses (or bottles) of wine and really let flow... specially if something someone has said earlier that day has irked me. Then I wake up and I sometimes feel the urge to go back and edit - well it depends on who i've been abusing.

    I can give you a list of best people to abuse if you like?!

  • Mosscat said:

    Im a female poster and must admit i'm a bit nervous of saying anything on here in case you all have a go at me.

    why would you be nervous?

    half the people on here don't know the offside rule so you are in good company.
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  • You lot are funny - thats why I love this forum. COYR
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