"...I used a term which is widely known as being derogatory to my own community..."
"my own community"???? I'm guessing by that he means the black community? And what If I had said in my own community (being white)? Im sure I would not be allowed to say that as its not PC.
Also why is Paul Elliott allowed into the Valley when he has used racist language in private to another person and that said person was offended? I'm sure a few years after Stephen lawerance's death the 5 suspects were barred from the Valley presumably after the undercover filming of them using racial language in private where nobody in that group was offended.
Maybe Paul, he was highly offended that someone should call him that, and the fact that that person was given an CBE for anti racist work and represented anti racist organisations, perhaps he thought the world should know about your double standards, it's ok to call someone a n***** as long as they don't tell anyone you said it, feck off you fud.
"...I used a term which is widely known as being derogatory to my own community..."
"my own community"???? I'm guessing by that he means the black community? And what If I had said in my own community (being white)? Im sure I would not be allowed to say that as its not PC.
Also why is Paul Elliott allowed into the Valley when he has used racist language in private to another person and that said person was offended? I'm sure a few years after Stephen lawerance's death the 5 suspects were barred from the Valley presumably after the undercover filming of them using racial language in private where nobody in that group was offended.
Call me pedantic but I think stabbing someone to death is just a bit more serious than sending someone a racist text.
Two of the charming gents involved have been sent down for the murder and the other three have a potential multi-million pound libel win against The Daily Mail for calling them murderers on the front page - all they need to do is prove they did not murder Lawrence.
I just can't think why they haven't sued the paper yet......
Not many of his " black community" live with him in Keton Park. Another person found out for being a fraud and making money through false pretences. "Well done Rufus"..........haven't unttered them words since May 1998.
It does take up a different meaning when it is between two black people -can't see how this can be argued. Having said that, it was still unprofessional and nasty and Elliot should apologise.
Rufus is a Charlton great and a very decent human being to boot so story was quite shocking to me.
It isn't tosh - it isn't the word in itself but the sentiment behind it that is offensive. It is impossible for a black man who uses the word to have the same sentiment as he is in effect being nasty about himself too.
If Elton John calls Dale Winton a Raging Queer, it is less offensive than if I was to do so.
Of course we all like to get up in arms against political correctness, and I do agree Elliot should have had more class than to use the word. But there is nothing wrong with trying to think and understand things through and not be walking versions of the Daily Mail or the Sun. There are subtleties in life.
Not many of his " black community" live with him in Keton Park. Another person found out for being a fraud and making money through false pretences. "Well done Rufus"..........haven't unttered them words since May 1998.
Being very pedantic here Masicat, but April 2003 surely?
It isn't tosh - it isn't the word in itself but the sentiment behind it that is offensive. It is impossible for a black man who uses the word to have the same sentiment as he is in effect being nasty about himself too.
If Elton John calls Dale Winton a Raging Queer, it is less offensive than if I was to do so.
Of course we all like to get up in arms against political correctness, and I do agree Elliot should have had more class than to use the word. But there is nothing wrong with trying to think and understand things through and not be walking versions of the Daily Mail or the Sun. There are subtleties in life.
You're splitting hairs. If its regarded as a racist term, then it's a racist term no matter where it comes from!
It isn't tosh - it isn't the word in itself but the sentiment behind it that is offensive. It is impossible for a black man who uses the word to have the same sentiment as he is in effect being nasty about himself too.
If Elton John calls Dale Winton a Raging Queer, it is less offensive than if I was to do so.
Of course we all like to get up in arms against political correctness, and I do agree Elliot should have had more class than to use the word. But there is nothing wrong with trying to think and understand things through and not be walking versions of the Daily Mail or the Sun. There are subtleties in life.
You're splitting hairs. If its regarded as a racist term, then it's a racist term no matter where it comes from!
It's obviously the hypocrisy of Elliot that is the biggest factor. If Dr Dre wants to use the words 20 times a verse then that's one thing, but someone who has earnt a living setting themselves up as a bastian of anti racism is quite another.
I agree - not saying Elliot wasn't wrong - just don't like the he used it, why can't we mentality - misses the point and infuriates me. When black people use the word it means something different to them - it is still inappropriate and nasty and they shouldn't use it though.
If a racist uses a racist term it is different from a non racist using it. I doubt Elliot is a racist very much. A non racist who campaigns against racism should set a better example though.
If a racist uses a racist term it is different from a non racist using it. I doubt Elliot is a racist very much. A non racist who campaigns against racism should set a better example though.
I agree - not saying Elliot wasn't wrong - just don't like the he used it, why can't we mentality - misses the point and infuriates me. When black people use the word it means something different to them - it is still inappropriate and nasty and they shouldn't use it though.
If a racist uses a racist term it is different from a non racist using it. I doubt Elliot is a racist very much. A non racist who campaigns against racism should set a better example though.
So if the Millwall racist had been black it would have been alright & he wouldn't have been arrested then?
I agree - not saying Elliot wasn't wrong - just don't like the he used it, why can't we mentality - misses the point and infuriates me. When black people use the word it means something different to them - it is still inappropriate and nasty and they shouldn't use it though.
If a racist uses a racist term it is different from a non racist using it. I doubt Elliot is a racist very much. A non racist who campaigns against racism should set a better example though.
I know black people who despise the use of the word, by anyone.
Yes, that would be the best policy - I shouldn't have made the point I did because behind the point is the reaction I knew I would get - Really thinking about things and trying to apply some understanding is clearly not advisable in this society. We love to get angry. I have never said Elliot was right btw.
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it is over:
telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9889718/Paul-Elliott-resigns-from-Football-Association-after-sending-racist-text-message.html
Not widely known by everyone then?
So wheres the black lawyers society/rio ferdinand/doreen lawrence etc etc???
You won't be able to legally look at anyone soon
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2:19AM
"...I used a term which is widely known as being derogatory to my own community..."
"my own community"???? I'm guessing by that he means the black community? And what If I had said in my own community (being white)? Im sure I would not be allowed to say that as its not PC.
Also why is Paul Elliott allowed into the Valley when he has used racist language in private to another person and that said person was offended? I'm sure a few years after Stephen lawerance's death the 5 suspects were barred from the Valley presumably after the undercover filming of them using racial language in private where nobody in that group was offended.
Maybe Paul, he was highly offended that someone should call him that, and the fact that that person was given an CBE for anti racist work and represented anti racist organisations, perhaps he thought the world should know about your double standards, it's ok to call someone a n***** as long as they don't tell anyone you said it, feck off you fud.
Two of the charming gents involved have been sent down for the murder and the other three have a potential multi-million pound libel win against The Daily Mail for calling them murderers on the front page - all they need to do is prove they did not murder Lawrence.
I just can't think why they haven't sued the paper yet......
Rufus is a Charlton great and a very decent human being to boot so story was quite shocking to me.
If Elton John calls Dale Winton a Raging Queer, it is less offensive than if I was to do so.
Of course we all like to get up in arms against political
correctness, and I do agree Elliot should have had more class than to use the word. But there is nothing wrong with trying to think and understand things through and not be walking versions of the Daily Mail or the Sun. There are subtleties in life.
If a racist uses a racist term it is different from a non racist using it. I doubt Elliot is a racist very much. A non racist who campaigns against racism should set a better example though.