Spain v Italy - Sunday 1 July 2012, 7.45pm - Preview / Match Thread

Spain v Italy

Fifa rankings:
Spain 1
Italy 12

The final of the tournament takes place amid the golden domes of the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. Spain current World and European champions take on Italy, the conquerors of England.

The Ukrainian writer, Mikhail Bulgakov sets his classic novel The White Guard amongst the turmoil of revolution in Kiev. Turmoil enveloped the Italians as they entered this tournament, amidst allegations of match fixing, politicians calling for the team to be withdrawn and the manager accepting to do likewise if required. The team was not withdrawn, and history suggests the Italians may respond positively to such circumstances, the 1982 World Cup victory following similar events. Spain, by way of contrast, could enter the competition in a state of calm. Having won the previous two major tournaments for national teams, and then breezing through qualification without defeat, the Spanish could be forgiven for feeling confident.

The two sides met in their opening group fixture. Whilst the match was drawn, the Italy were the better of the two teams. Spain then cruised pass the Irish and went on to beat Croatia narrowly. The Italians finished second to Spain in the group after drawing with Croatia and beating Ireland. In the second round the Spanish beat a French team who performed poorly, whilst the Italians beat a defensively minded English team on penalties. Spain opted not to attack for the majority of their semi final against Portugal, only rousing themselves to attack near the end, and going on to knock out Cristiano Ronaldo et al on penalties. By way of contrast Italy played superbly against a highly rated Germany with Mario Balotelli scoring twice, the second of which was a wonderful strike.

The core of the Spanish team comes from Barcelona and it is therefore no surprise they play in a similar style of fine passing favoured by the Catalans. A debt of gratitude is therefore owed to Johan Cruyff. The unavailability of David Villa through injury together with an embarrassment of riches in midfield has led Spain’s manager, Vicente Del Bosque, in some games to do away with forwards and play extra midfielders, albeit with Cesc Fabregas in an advanced role. An absence of strikers has meant the Spanish do not have the chances to score that their possession of the ball merits. Del Bosque does have strikers, such as Fernando Torres, Alvaro Negredo and Fernando Llorente, at his disposal and Spain, in this writer’s opinion, will do better against the Italians if one or two get on the pitch in Kiev’s Olympic Stadium.

Cesare Prandelli has the Italians dispensing with defensive tactics of old and playing an attacking passing based game. It is as if the Italians have watched and learnt from the Spanish sides that won World and European titles. The Italians will line up in a 4-4-2 formation, with their forward line led by the enigmatic Balotelli and ably assisted by Antonio Cassano who has matured into the role and plays in an intelligent fashion. Andrea Pirlo acts as conductor to the Italy team.

One to watch:
Spain - Xavi
Italy - Who else but Balotelli, the Manchester City forward is playing well, scoring, appearing to be happy and even smiling after scoring, expect fireworks albeit not literally.

Odds:
Spain to win 6 / 5
Italy to win 11 / 4
A draw 11 / 5
(Paddy Power)

Prediction:
If Spain play without strikers, expect a dour game narrowly edged by the Italians. However, if the Spanish play with strikers, expect a joyous game of wonderful attacking passing football narrowly edged by the Italians. This is not to say Spain can’t win, they are not reigning World and European Champions for nothing.

Spain 1 Italy 2

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Comments

  • Spain have had it easy for too long and as a result have lost a bit of desire and spark. The formation tweaks haven't made them better either.

    A lot with Italy will depend on their attitude. One of containment and counter, or go on the offensive ?

    It should be the latter by old habits die hard and I suspect the former.

    Think Spain will turn it on again and win comfortably.

    Just hope its a decent spectacle.
  • Nice preview sheff. I've got to go with Italy here, backed them in the fantasy spread bet comp and I do have a soft spot for them and especially Prandelli. What a story it could be for Pirlo as well, a year ago released by Milan and since then won Serie A (shame who it was with) and is now on the verge of picking up a Euro Championship medal to go along with his World Cup one. Got a feeling this could go all the way to pens.
  • as i already stated in another thread i put a bet on italy pre tournament to win euro 12 @ 14/1 (on to win £30). have just put a fiver on balo to score anytime at 3/1.

    hope italy win (not because of the bets), but because i cant bloody stand spain. bunch of arrogant %$^$% and i cant stand that tic tac football they play. so boring.
  • Italy 2 v Spain 0
  • 0-0 Italy on penalties.
  • Italy 3 -1 Spain, Mario Hat - trick for Italy and Xavi with a consolation goal for Spain.
  • Italy v Spain Draw after 90 minutes ( 9-4 StanJames )
    Spain the lift the Trophy ( 8-15 Bet365 )
    Fabregas to score anytime ( 3-1 Betfred )
    Balotelli to score the first goal of the game with a header ( 25-1 Betvictor )
  • Balotelli to score the first goal of the game with a header ( 25-1 Betvictor )

    oooooo tempting tempting
  • Italy I think - Spain are not starting with a recognised forward and in games that typically are won by the odd goal that's big risk.

  • come on italy!!!!!!!!
  • Be nice to see Italy do it after their excellent win over Germany.

    Can Pirlo manage 3 games in a week though? I guess a number of the Spaniards aren't spring chickens either but a functioning Pirlo seems fundamental to a successful italy in my view.
  • Not a lot to choose between the two.
    Prefer the Italian keeper over the Spanish one, therefore;
    Italy on pens @ 9/1
  • WSSWSS Moderator
    Great goal by Spain.
  • Buffon singing the national anthem was good value.

    Hoping for a Balotelli moment soon.
  • LoOkOuTLoOkOuT Master Administrator
    Lol. No one called this. Spain are threatening to run away with it. Hustling and harrying off the ball is Powellesque in execution ;-) they look very good right now.
  • Spain are playing at a higher tempo than they have all tournament.
  • Lol. No one called this.
    Well I didn't but
    Think Spain will turn it on again and win comfortably.
  • So. Have those in the "Boring, Boring Spain" camp nodded off yet?

    Ridiculous comments.
  • So. Have those in the "Boring, Boring Spain" camp nodded off yet?

    Ridiculous comments.
    yep. turned over. cant be asked to watch them anymore.
  • So. Have those in the "Boring, Boring Spain" camp nodded off yet?

    Ridiculous comments.
    yep. turned over. cant be asked to watch them anymore.
    Your loss.
  • Best team have won, but the hero of th tournament, Pirandelli fucked it up. Balzaretti should have been on from the start to push back the Spanish full back. Montolivio should never have started and motta should never have come on. Shame because the first time showed this match up could be a competition.
  • Absolute masterclass.

    Almost a different sport to what we play
  • John Terry is just changing into his Spain kit for the photos.
  • Was Valdez in goal for Spain. Can't remember seeing much of him.

    Edit. O just see it was casilas. Didnt see much of him neither
  • England would've won. ; )
  • Very much doubt the 'world class Rooney' would make it in that team!
  • John Terry is just changing into his Spain kit for the photos.
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  • Fantastic performance from Spain, they were so far ahead of everybody else in this competition it was unreal.
  • Scary thing is that they are actually quite a young team too.
  • wow!
  • In the style of Mr. Punch........"that's the way to do it"
  • It may be excellent passing football but for me it lacks some excitement. That may sound odd but if this encourages all teams to play this way then I will miss players running with the ball, the art of dribbling, wing play, crosses into the box with a queue of players to challenge for it and so much more.

    It's very skillful, masterful etc but there are just not enough attempts on goal for me.

    Question: Would Maradona (or in England's case: Gascoigne, Barnes or Waddle) have been allowed to do what he did in this Spain team?
    Answer: No
    Conclusion: A loss to football.
  • The only reason it lacked excitement is because the game was over once they got the second. This was the best they have played all tournament, the tempo was much higher and the quality of passing better. Plus they did make loads of chances.

    Messi is allowed to do what he does for Barcelona, who play the same way, so that conclusion is wrong.
  • It may be excellent passing football but for me it lacks some excitement. That may sound odd but if this encourages all teams to play this way then I will miss players running with the ball, the art of dribbling, wing play, crosses into the box with a queue of players to challenge for it and so much more.

    It's very skillful, masterful etc but there are just not enough attempts on goal for me.

    Question: Would Maradona (or in England's case: Gascoigne, Barnes or Waddle) have been allowed to do what he did in this Spain team?
    Answer: No
    Conclusion: A loss to football.
    Iniesta can dribble and run with the best. Fabregas is not scared of driving past his man and cutting it back across the box. We could go on.

    I know we all see things differently but 'a loss to football' just leaves me speechless tbh Jimmy.
  • that Spanish team has to be right up there with the best I've seen in 50 years of following football.

    England 66 for obvious reasons

    Brazil 70 were pretty awesome as have been other Brazilian sides over the years but the way this Spanish side keeps and passes the ball and how hard the players work for each other is awesome.

    I'm not really one for superlatives but this was special.
  • They moved thru the gears as and when they had to as the tourney progressed with a little stutter here and there but that was sublime last night
    The passing and movement was special
    I suppose in an ideal world they would have slaughtered everyone and played to their max every game or maybe they could have burnt out looked brilliant and not won the trophy ....
    They did it with real style in the end and I'm glad they got there and they definitely deserved it , admittedly I didn't see it coming , I thought they were burnt out !
  • They were fantastic.

    Shows that you don't have to be screaming great hulks to play brilliant, technical football.

    Alba for 14m euros looks a bargain.
  • Feel for Italy to be honest, losing Chiellini after 20 minutes when he maybe could have soldiered on, and then Motta doing a hammy 4 minutes after coming on as the last sub killed this game. First half Italy posed a couple of problems but second half you could see all their heads drop.
  • So, if we had beaten Italy on penalties, we would have obviously have beaten Germany too because we drew with Italy. How would we have performed against Spain then? Better, worse, about the same?
  • So, if we had beaten Italy on penalties, we would have obviously have beaten Germany too because we drew with Italy. How would we have performed against Spain then? Better, worse, about the same?
    Deffo better will keep the score down to 0-1 cos of the fact England has a better defence...
  • What a superb performance. The Spanish showed they have the lot: speed, skill and steel as well as a pride in their country and a togetherness that English teams will probably never be able to match. To see Basques, Andalucians, Castillians and Catalans pulling together is akin to the English, Welsh and Scots doing likewise. It happens in Rugby on Lions' tours .. why not in football or in 'real life' ?. Will it take the break up of the United Kingdom to reinvigorate our national football teams ?. Look at Croatia, a tiny population, a team that always punches above its weight. Or is too much 'nationalism' a bad thing ?
  • Bloody Italy! That'll teach me to gamble. Spain were awesome though.
  • The commentator called it when the spanish were taking it in turns to lift the cup, all were very very good individual players who would get in virtually any team, but played as a team for each other, I was rather hoping the Italians could pull it off but was blown away by the commitment to each other that the spanish displayed even with so called key players missing.
    Can see them winning another world cup too.
  • so which Spaniard would be dropped to accommodate a world class player like Rooney? :-)
  • What's astonishing is that they managed this without their main goalscorer (David Villa).

    I honestly think they are the greatest national side of all time. I don't know how it can be debated really with what they've achieved and the way they have turned the game on its head.
  • so which Spaniard would be dropped to accommodate a world class player like Rooney? :-)
    You seem to have it in for Rooney, Len. I don't think he has shone in an England shirt particularly, but he is a pretty decent player and would be a better player in a better team. His weakness seems to be that he is either in or out of form with arguably less middle ground than you would expect from a player of his calibre. As for 'getting in the Spanish team', it's hard to judge as I've not seen enough of the Spanish national team. I suspect he would look pretty good in their team even though it would be hard to pick someone to leave out. Mata is also left out and he is a decent player too - he only managed about 5 minutes in the whole tournament, which was enough time to score a goal.

    They certainly looked outstanding last night and it's how to understand how they managed to lose to England recently albeit in a friendly. You do wonder whether Germany would have given the Spanish a better game.
  • so which Spaniard would be dropped to accommodate a world class player like Rooney? :-)
    Pointless comment.

    There are a number of top, top players who wouldn't get in the Spain team. I would go as far as saying that the likes of Xavi and Iniesta are ABOVE world class. They are in a class of their own which nobody can really get near.
  • There's no such thing as above world class. World class isn't a fixed bar, it changes all the time. In the mid-90s World Class wasn't that high compared to now, that's just the way it goes. That is exactly the difference between being a top top player and being world class.
  • so which Spaniard would be dropped to accommodate a world class player like Rooney? :-)
    You seem to have it in for Rooney, Len. I don't think he has shone in an England shirt particularly, but he is a pretty decent player and would be a better player in a better team. His weakness seems to be that he is either in or out of form with arguably less middle ground than you would expect from a player of his calibre. As for 'getting in the Spanish team', it's hard to judge as I've not seen enough of the Spanish national team. I suspect he would look pretty good in their team even though it would be hard to pick someone to leave out. Mata is also left out and he is a decent player too - he only managed about 5 minutes in the whole tournament, which was enough time to score a goal.


    They certainly looked outstanding last night and it's how to understand how they managed to lose to England recently albeit in a friendly. You do wonder whether Germany would have given the Spanish a better game.

    Strange player Rooney - for Man U and Everton before that he looks everything he should be, hard to tackle, great work rate, he can play deep, or as the target man in the box and he scores goals. But for England he looks like a boy lost. Clearly he has the temperament to play internationally, I just wonder if deep down he's mentally immature and needs as a father figure as a manager which he seems to get with Fergie.
  • They certainly looked outstanding last night and it's how to understand how they managed to lose to England recently albeit in a friendly. You do wonder whether Germany would have given the Spanish a better game.

    Spain disappointed me in the tournament as a whole, they had a lot of possession but didn't seem to do much with it and hardly shone in getting past Portugal in the semi. I got the impression that Iniesta missed having Villa playing on the left and cutting in and that removed some of Spain's attacking threat and therefore they resorted to pass the parcel football until something happened. Unquestionably they increased the pace in the final and were back to how they were in the WC and the last EC. All in all it reminded me of the Barcelona-Man U CL final two years back. That day Barcelona were outstanding and I doubt any team would have lived with them then and I doubt that Germany would have lived with Spain last night either.
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