Interesting new video from the FA about homophobia in professional football. Seems like a subject that is being taken seriously. A few people upset that the overall sense is that the video blames the fans for it rather than football itself.
Agree it's up to the player himself, also agree that there will always be banter. Banter is one thing but throwing bananas at John Barnes was hardly banter was it?
Think the point is that it's inside the football clubs that may be the bigger issue. No company or employee can discriminate against another employee due to race or sexual orientation, so why should a football club.
Interesting new video from the FA about homophobia in professional football. Seems like a subject that is being taken seriously. A few people upset that the overall sense is that the video blames the fans for it rather than football itself.
What is 'football itself'? Surely football, in relation to homophobia, is people. And the majority of people 'in' football are the fans. You must accept that it is more likely to be the reaction of a mass of fans rather than the odd opposition player / manager who make gay footballers unwilling to come out?
Brighton netted three own goals in their 6-1 defeat at Liverpool at the weekend, maintaining the age old tradition of Brighton men scoring up the wrong end.
Brighton netted three own goals in their 6-1 defeat at Liverpool at the weekend, maintaining the age old tradition of Brighton men scoring up the wrong end.
Brighton netted three own goals in their 6-1 defeat at Liverpool at the weekend, maintaining the age old tradition of Brighton men scoring up the wrong end.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start. I expect twenty years ago this was the case when racism was discussed
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start.
Is disapproval of homosexuality on religious or moral grounds homophobia or a perfectly reasonable right to an alternative opinion?
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start. I expect twenty years ago this was the case when racism was discussed
Funny ain't it the double standards - I don't mean on here, but in general.
On Twitter there are black Liverpool fans re-tweeting funny songs from the game yesterday, "we can see you holding hands" etc...meanwhile prior to that they were frothing over Terry etc.
Why is one type of 'abuse' ok and the other not?
Last week about 4 Millwall fans were nicked in the ground for homophobic chanting and reported in the local paper...yet no widespread condemnation of LFC.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start.
Is disapproval of homosexuality on religious or moral grounds homophobia or a perfectly reasonable right to an alternative opinion?
Discuss.
No, not perfectly reasonable right IMHO.
If someone is gay and chooses to express that with other consenting adults then that is up to them. Of course that lifestyle shouldn't be forced on others.
Same with people who have a religion. If they choose to express that with other consenting adults then fine but they should not force the rules or restrictions of that religion on others.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start.
Is disapproval of homosexuality on religious or moral grounds homophobia or a perfectly reasonable right to an alternative opinion?
Discuss.
No, not perfectly reasonable right IMHO.
If someone is gay and chooses to express that with other consenting adults then that is up to them. Of course that lifestyle shouldn't be forced on others.
Same with people who have a religion. If they choose to express that with other consenting adults then fine but they should not force the rules or restrictions of that religion on others.
Exactly! I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I think that those with religious beliefs are wrong, or stupid. I don't begrudge them their differing lifestyles. The same way I don't go about my life randomly hating anyone.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start. I expect twenty years ago this was the case when racism was discussed
Funny ain't it the double standards - I don't mean on here, but in general.
On Twitter there are black Liverpool fans re-tweeting funny songs from the game yesterday, "we can see you holding hands" etc...meanwhile prior to that they were frothing over Terry etc.
Why is one type of 'abuse' ok and the other not?
Last week about 4 Millwall fans were nicked in the ground for homophobic chanting and reported in the local paper...yet no widespread condemnation of LFC.
That is right sparrows, double standards in it's entirety, if you are caught saying anything racist at all you get arrested, shouldn't this also be the case for saying anything about homosexuality with the intent on causing someone to be upset? discrimination, prejudice and abuse should be handled the same in everything; sexism, racism, fatism and against gay people equally.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start.
Is disapproval of homosexuality on religious or moral grounds homophobia or a perfectly reasonable right to an alternative opinion?
Discuss.
I believe so Len. I don't feel that religious grounds are an excuse. Not a lot of people on here know this about me, but I am a practising Christian, I attend church regularly as do my children. I have heard some ridiculous things said in church about disapproval of 'gayness' sometimes they talk about it as a disease. I always fight the cause and speak my mind sexuality is about who you are not who you choose to be. They self rightious people in the church that come out with all the 'God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' Crap really get on my nerves. The bible to some people is a hand held manual but if they really were to practice what they preach they will be churning their own butter and baking their own bread. Times move on and people evolve as do our minds and our rights and our freewill. God did make Adam and Eve but he also blessed human beings with sexual feelings and desires, eyes to see, ears to hear, hands to touch and the amazing brain to think and and act as you wish.
God made us the way we are and if we are gay God intended us to be that way. God loves everyone and any Christian that says otherwise is not a real Christian.
Why do we need laws to enforce right and wrong? Or religion for that matter? Why isn't it good enough that it just not nice therefore don't do it? Because people can't be trusted. But the rest of us don't want to live in a nanny state and therefore don't want rules abouit every single thing we should or shouldn't say. Therefore the most offensive things are legislated for and the rest aren't.
Because in most cases people aren't threatened with death for being fat or ginger as in the case above.
If it got to the stage where people were beaten up in the streets or told they deserved to die/will go to hell for being red haired then maybe it would be a valid comparison but they don't so it ain't. And before anyone asks yes redheaded and proud of it!
I think with British people, when a topic comes up that people are uncomfortable with, or arent too sure how to address it, we try to make light of the situation so to speak, and make a joke. Some can be in bad taste, but i just think thats a reflex action
Think you'll find in plenty of places, It don't matter if you're small, tall, fat, gay or ginger etc People will always find something to take the piss out of.
Have defiently read in papers before about overweight kids and ginger kids being bullied to the point that they attempt suicide etc.
Seems to me the countrys becoming offended over everything now.
Did anyone watch that 'Gay footballers' programme, They asked a number of straight Brighton fans whether they thought that 'Can See you holding hands' song is offensive and the majority said Yes. They asked a gay famous Arsenal fan who said it was funny and witty and more of a joke.
Because in most cases people aren't threatened with death for being fat or ginger as in the case above.
If it got to the stage where people were beaten up in the streets or told they deserved to die/will go to hell for being red haired then maybe it would be a valid comparison but they don't so it ain't. And before anyone asks yes redheaded and proud of it!
Awaiting for the backlash to the recent proposals by the newly-elected Muslim mayor of Newham (I think) to shut down a gay venue by revoking their licence by classing it as a sex establishment....the idea originated from the local mosque apparently.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start. I expect twenty years ago this was the case when racism was discussed
Funny ain't it the double standards - I don't mean on here, but in general.
On Twitter there are black Liverpool fans re-tweeting funny songs from the game yesterday, "we can see you holding hands" etc...meanwhile prior to that they were frothing over Terry etc.
Why is one type of 'abuse' ok and the other not?
Last week about 4 Millwall fans were nicked in the ground for homophobic chanting and reported in the local paper...yet no widespread condemnation of LFC.
That is right sparrows, double standards in it's entirety, if you are caught saying anything racist at all you get arrested, shouldn't this also be the case for saying anything about homosexuality with the intent on causing someone to be upset? discrimination, prejudice and abuse should be handled the same in everything; sexism, racism, fatism and against gay people equally.
Its depressingly predictable on here, that the moment any threads are started wanting any sort of discussion about homophobia then the cheap jokes start.
Is disapproval of homosexuality on religious or moral grounds homophobia or a perfectly reasonable right to an alternative opinion?
Discuss.
I believe so Len. I don't feel that religious grounds are an excuse. Not a lot of people on here know this about me, but I am a practising Christian, I attend church regularly as do my children. I have heard some ridiculous things said in church about disapproval of 'gayness' sometimes they talk about it as a disease. I always fight the cause and speak my mind sexuality is about who you are not who you choose to be. They self rightious people in the church that come out with all the 'God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' Crap really get on my nerves. The bible to some people is a hand held manual but if they really were to practice what they preach they will be churning their own butter and baking their own bread. Times move on and people evolve as do our minds and our rights and our freewill. God did make Adam and Eve but he also blessed human beings with sexual feelings and desires, eyes to see, ears to hear, hands to touch and the amazing brain to think and and act as you wish.
God made us the way we are and if we are gay God intended us to be that way. God loves everyone and any Christian that says otherwise is not a real Christian.
I think with British people, when a topic comes up that people are uncomfortable with, or arent too sure how to address it, we try to make light of the situation so to speak, and make a joke. Some can be in bad taste, but i just think thats a reflex action
...and i guess thats why , the term homophobia has got phobia in it, its a response to people being frightened or somehow threatened by difference. this response many would feel, particularly if your on the receiving end, as being abusive rather then just a bad joke.
Because in most cases people aren't threatened with death for being fat or ginger as in the case above.
If it got to the stage where people were beaten up in the streets or told they deserved to die/will go to hell for being red haired then maybe it would be a valid comparison but they don't so it ain't. And before anyone asks yes redheaded and proud of it!
Awaiting for the backlash to the recent proposals by the newly-elected Muslim mayor of Newham (I think) to shut down a gay venue by revoking their licence by classing it as a sex establishment....the idea originated from the local mosque apparently.
Would be wrong (see answer to Len's question above) but is it actually true. Read the Sub-standards story through to the end and it seems that not only is Ken Livingstone hoping they stay open nothing has actually been said.
I used to love seeing Sallon back in the day in clubs and what weird and wonderful creations he would be wearing. Some cracking creations. A real soho character. Hope he's fully recovered now.
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
Agreed. In light of the subject matter, I don't think this is the thread for jokes. Please keep to the subject at hand. If you don't have anything of substance to say here, don't say anything.
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Banter.
1 who cares
2 don't blame em oppo fans would be merciless
Move on if they want to
Come out, like Gareth Thomas say, they will. If they don't so
Bloody what
Think the point is that it's inside the football clubs that may be the bigger issue. No company or employee can discriminate against another employee due to race or sexual orientation, so why should a football club.
Discuss.
On Twitter there are black Liverpool fans re-tweeting funny songs from the game yesterday, "we can see you holding hands" etc...meanwhile prior to that they were frothing over Terry etc.
Why is one type of 'abuse' ok and the other not?
Last week about 4 Millwall fans were nicked in the ground for homophobic chanting and reported in the local paper...yet no widespread condemnation of LFC.
If someone is gay and chooses to express that with other consenting adults then that is up to them. Of course that lifestyle shouldn't be forced on others.
Same with people who have a religion. If they choose to express that with other consenting adults then fine but they should not force the rules or restrictions of that religion on others.
I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I think that those with religious beliefs are wrong, or stupid. I don't begrudge them their differing lifestyles.
The same way I don't go about my life randomly hating anyone.
Except Palace fans of course.
God made us the way we are and if we are gay God intended us to be that way. God loves everyone and any Christian that says otherwise is not a real Christian.
Why isn't it good enough that it just not nice therefore don't do it?
Because people can't be trusted. But the rest of us don't want to live in a nanny state and therefore don't want rules abouit every single thing we should or shouldn't say.
Therefore the most offensive things are legislated for and the rest aren't.
Because in most cases people aren't threatened with death for being fat or ginger as in the case above.
If it got to the stage where people were beaten up in the streets or told they deserved to die/will go to hell for being red haired then maybe it would be a valid comparison but they don't so it ain't. And before anyone asks yes redheaded and proud of it!
Have defiently read in papers before about overweight kids and ginger kids being bullied to the point that they attempt suicide etc.
Seems to me the countrys becoming offended over everything now.
Did anyone watch that 'Gay footballers' programme, They asked a number of straight Brighton fans whether they thought that 'Can See you holding hands' song is offensive and the majority said Yes. They asked a gay famous Arsenal fan who said it was funny and witty and more of a joke.
It's hardly football fans in the stands that are the baying mob of queer hating yobs is it.
Would be wrong (see answer to Len's question above) but is it actually true. Read the Sub-standards story through to the end and it seems that not only is Ken Livingstone hoping they stay open nothing has actually been said.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24036301-fury-at-ken-livingstone-allys-drag-queens-ban.do
(joke alert - do not take too seriously - do not place chip on shoulder - do not pass go)
Does homophobia still exist ??
so if you write "joke" on your original post you are allowed to make jokes on this thread?????
thats a bit gay...................."joke"
only if your name is henry and you accuse other people of being il·lit·er·ate -joke