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The Sopranos (final episode)

I have just finished watching The Sopranos and was a little surprised how the final episode ended. I have googled it and there are some interesting theorys out there so I was wondering what those lifers who watched it thought of the ending.

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  • I had to rewind it a couple of times thinking that the dvd had jumped.
  • Plaaayer said:

    I had to rewind it a couple of times thinking that the dvd had jumped.

    Me too, when it went blank I thought it had jammed
  • or just to hear your fav song again rich? as you start with the jazz hands..
  • Plaaayer said:

    I had to rewind it a couple of times thinking that the dvd had jumped.

    Think that's the case for the ending of more or less every episode.
    Love it
  • I like a theory that is out saying we, the audience got "whacked" in the diner. Earlier in the series Tony & Bobby were fishing and discussing what it feels like to get "whacked".

    They discussed the fact you probably dont hear it coming and it just goes black, exactly what happened to us, the audience in the diner.
  • Tony gets whacked in the diner.

  • Tony gets whacked in the diner.

    I think you need to expand on that a little, why do you think that?
  • one theory is that we the audiance got whacked, you get invited somewhere nice and quite and then whack it goes black as one of them said in another episode, the other one is that tony is already dead and he is in some kind of heaven, "you always have to remember the good times" and sitting eating with your family is a good time. the guy who went to the toilet is also supposed to have whacked tony also, seriously theres hundreds of articles on the ending each one has a whacky or mad theory into the end.
  • I thought ended brilliantly .
  • my sky plus went up the shoot about a month a ago so have missed the last few - watched every one since it's been re shown before that- brilliant programme. Mate has the box set luckily.
  • Of course could be the feds coming to finally get him
  • I found it frustrating at the time it wasn't given proper closure, now I just think it is utter genius five years on, no one still knows and there are three or four highly credible possibilities.

    Would love the creator one day to reveal the thinking behind it and the outcome, sadly don't.think that.will happen
  • Not with the talk still of a film
  • Been watching them all again with the wife. Greatest programme ever.
  • Tony gets whacked in the diner.

    Suspects in the diner, screen goes blank.

    Too much over analysing if it in my book.

    I think you need to expand on that a little, why do you think that?
  • I found it frustrating at the time it wasn't given proper closure, now I just think it is utter genius five years on, no one still knows and there are three or four highly credible possibilities.


    Spot on.
    Would love the creator one day to reveal the thinking behind it and the outcome, sadly don't.think that.will happen

    Some progs drag on and milk everything, I was gutted when the office finished as well but I will still watch it every Xmas knowing full well it would have just become crap,like a lot of well thought after programmes like only fools should have left it after the timepiece episode.

  • New to Sopranos been watching on sky atlantic, how many series are there?
  • there is so much shite on tv these days to have a programme that leaves you thinking and contemplating what may have happend was genius. the american publics reaction was hilarious, where they dont have much imagination and brains they went mad at the ending.

  • New to Sopranos been watching on sky atlantic, how many series are there?

    6, however series 6 is in 2 parts.
  • Thanks lads, a good mix of thoughts. It looks as if a lot of you have already been through what I am going through today but as a newbie to The Sopranos I have only just finished watching it.

  • Thanks eastandmike, just starting series 5 so a little way to go. I love it, regret not watching before.
  • Love a topical thread ;-)

    He got whacked by the fella in the "Members Only" Jacket who went into the bathroom. An earlier episode on a boat on a lake he and Bobby discuss what it is like getting whacked and say you dont even hear it coming. The camera is from Tony's POV and goes black when he gets shot with Journey playing in the background.
  • Brilliant programme, brilliant ending.

    Sadly I think Tony got whacked - there's a lot of extra reasons as to why out there - like Meadow taking three attempts to park, and succeeding third time/Tony being shot at twice before, it looking last the last supper, but the big one for me was the talk with Bobby before about it all going black.

    The progrmamme was Tony's programme, he dies, sudden ending.
  • I found it frustrating at the time it wasn't given proper closure, now I just think it is utter genius five years on, no one still knows and there are three or four highly credible possibilities.

    This.

    Think we're just used to big dramatic endings Hollywood style, and when something different comes along, it just knocks the planet slightly off the axis, which is a good thing..............
  • Brilliant programme, brilliant ending.

    - like Meadow taking three attempts to park, and succeeding third time.

    Not watched the episode for a few years, but what's the Meadow angle ?
  • I didn't like it. If I want to think of TV endings I would spend the evening day dreaming. Lazy!
  • She tried parking twice and failed, then succeeded the third time. People have read into it that it's a metaphor for people trying to kill Tony twice (before), failing, and succeeding (this) third time.
  • Brilliant programme, brilliant ending.

    - like Meadow taking three attempts to park, and succeeding third time.

    Not watched the episode for a few years, but what's the Meadow angle ?
    Meadow was outside trying to park, the first time she hit the kerb so pulled out and tried again, same again second time then finally did it on the third attempt.

    All this was going on whilst Tony and the rest of the family sat inside looking at the menu and eating onion rings, its almost as if she should have been there but missed it.

    It goes black when Meadow "supposidly" comes through the door of the diner?
  • She tried parking twice and failed, then succeeded the third time. People have read into it that it's a metaphor for people trying to kill Tony twice (before), failing, and succeeding (this) third time.

    Blimey, I did not think this would get this deep, I can see now why people think this is very clever writing because you can take the ending in a lot of directions.
  • Watching meadow grow up through the series was also nice to see :)
  • If anyone has a spare day or two, this is very detailed analysis of the last episode.

    http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/



  • I'm sure I read something written by the writers of the show. The parking was done to make her late so that Tony kept looking up every time the door bell rang when someone came in. One time it was the hit man, who sits at the bar for a while before going into the toilet, and another (maybe be another two) are just nobodies.

    Basically you switch from the first person view (Tony's view) to the third person view (looking at Tony). So the show (while Meadow is parking) is looking at Tony until the diner door opens and then you get Tony's view. You get this a few times until the end. The hit man goes to the toilet and comes out and shoots Tony in the head just as it switches to his view of the door. Clearly his view (and his hearing) are black as he has just had his brains shot.

    Earlier in the series the chap who runs the Bada Bing (I can't remember his name) discusses what happens when one is shot and he says that he read something about how if you are shot your brain stops functioning before you process the sound of the bullet. Thus if you are shot (like Tony is) you don't hear the bullet, it just goes black and quiet - because, basically, you are dead.

    Thus, as the series finishes you are Tony and you are killed so it goes black.
  • I didn't read Jint's post before I posted mine, but basically mine says what his link says, only it takes about two hours less to read what I wrote.
  • I didn't read Jint's post before I posted mine, but basically mine says what his link says, only it takes about two hours less to read what I wrote.

    OOOH, get him. ;-)
  • tony must get whacked - i've never seen him on anything since and can't believe he isn't a gangster.
  • I didn't read Jint's post before I posted mine, but basically mine says what his link says, only it takes about two hours less to read what I wrote.

    OOOH, get him. ;-)
    What I meant Tango was that I was writing mine at the same time and when I pressed Post Comment they both came up at the same time.
  • tony must get whacked - i've never seen him on anything since and can't believe he isn't a gangster.

    You really are judgemental. So he heads a 'Family', extorts builders, runs gambling syndicates and kills a few dozen people, and you just go ahead and judge him and call him a Gangster.

    So quick to judge!

    ;-)
  • tony must get whacked - i've never seen him on anything since and can't believe he isn't a gangster.

    he was rubbish looking after that prison too, an old man managed to take control of the prison ffs... call yourself a gangster shame on you Tony..

  • apparantly it was part of his contract that he agreed to be killed. i read it somewhere i'm sure
  • I thought the ending was great, I'd rather have a bit of ambiguity in keeping with the rest of the series, unlike say The Wire which wrapped everything up in a happy little bow.

  • Earlier in the series the chap who runs the Bada Bing (I can't remember his name) discusses what happens when one is shot and he says that he read something about how if you are shot your brain stops functioning before you process the sound of the bullet. Thus if you are shot (like Tony is) you don't hear the bullet, it just goes black and quiet - because, basically, you are dead.

    Thus, as the series finishes you are Tony and you are killed so it goes black.

    This has happend to me many times on Battlefield 3.
  • apparantly it was part of his contract that he agreed to be killed. i read it somewhere i'm sure

    I think if someone offered me a job and asked me to agree to be killed I'd go work some where else. I mean, opting out of the 48 hour a week regulation is one thing, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
  • I didn't read Jint's post before I posted mine, but basically mine says what his link says, only it takes about two hours less to read what I wrote.

    Basically mine further up the page says what KHA's repeats later ... only it takes about two hours less to read what I wrote ;-)
  • Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.
  • I'm sure I've seen a documentary with the writers before and they admitted to "not knowing" what happened after it went black and they were happy with that.

    I suppose, without writing anything after they are right as well, it's up to the viewer to come to their own conclusions.
  • Symptomatic of todays society kha. Sooner sit at home claiming benefits than be shot in the head. Unbelievable.
  • Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.

    Yep. Always been fascinated by the lifestyle and the things that go on. I've got so many books about past and modern day gangsters and always find an affinity with them on some level at some point. Of course some/most of the acts are totally abhorrent but I find it so interesting.
  • If you go on youtube and search for the real sporanos there is a doc about the NJ mob and it very much separates the myth from reality.

    They all grassed in the end and didnt have an iota of the charm/ charisma the sopranos characters evoked.

  • Why is it that regardless of some of the terrible things that he and his gang do, you can't help liking Tony and thinking he's a decent bloke? Maybe not everybody does but there's no doubt that mafia type crime is fascinating and glamorous even if the reality is a bit different.

    I thought that was the point of the final season. There was no glamour or humour anymore. We really got a sense of how horrible these people are - tony contemplated killing his best remaining friend, Christopher shot a guy in the head for no reason, Silvio strangled a guy, Bobby got his first kill... by the end, I had gone from hoping they all live, to being quite comfortable with them all dying!

    As for the ending - I like that Inception has a definitive end. I think the Usual Suspects cheats the viewer by having no sensible explanation. I like that Lost, for its faults, had a definitive ending. Yet for some reason I am happy that Sopranos was left open.

    I gather, if you go to film school, that you can come up with enough evidence to support Tony being dead (the conversation he had in an earlier episode about the sudden blackness, and Silvio's slow-motion experience of being up close to a murder being the big clues) plus the thing about Meadow 'trying' three times to park her car (a possible reference to the amount of attempts on Tony's life over the course of the show), and there's a lot on the POV shots. My personal take is that Tony is probably dead, but if not, the point being made was that he'll always be looking at the door.. always on edge... for the rest of his life.

    Ultimately, if David Chase and co. decide to make a movie, I think the theories will go out the window!
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